New Apple iPad Pro revealed

whatwhat said:
The Surface 4 is going to blow it out of the water.
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The iPad Pro doesn't really compete with the Surface. Microsoft and Apple are pursuing two entirely different strategies with their devices.

Apple have been quite clear that they see the iPad as the start of their vision of the future of computing. Microsoft still sees Windows as their vision of the future of computing.
 
icyrus said:
The iPad Pro doesn't really compete with the Surface. Microsoft and Apple are pursuing two entirely different strategies with their devices.



Apple have been quite clear that they see the iPad as the start of their vision of the future of computing. Microsoft still sees Windows as their vision of the future of computing.
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They're approaching it from different directions but ultimately they're trying to get to the same point. Mobile productivity. Somehow I think Microsoft got it right. Apple not so much.
 
SammyD said:
They're approaching it from different directions but ultimately they're trying to get to the same point. Mobile productivity. Somehow I think Microsoft got it right. Apple not so much.
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Perhaps but in my view Microsoft has made a catastrophic mistake by trying to force their old paradigms on a new platform. The Surface is a terrible experience in my opinion.
 
icyrus said:
Perhaps but in my view Microsoft has made a catastrophic mistake by trying to force their old paradigms on a new platform. The Surface is a terrible experience in my opinion.
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How so? I don't see it as them trying to force Windows onto a tablet form factor but rather trying bit by bit to adapt Windows to what is seemingly the future of computing. They tried not to do it when they came out with Windows RT but that failed dismally so they went the obvious direction which in my opinion has proven to be a success. As to the experience, the fact that some apps are touch optimised and some are not may sound jarring but its hardly a trainwreck. People wanted full Windows and Microsoft gave them full Windows. Point remains, you can be worlds more productive on a Surface than an iPad Pro.
 
SammyD said:
They're approaching it from different directions but ultimately they're trying to get to the same point. Mobile productivity. Somehow I think Microsoft got it right. Apple not so much.
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And yet you have Microsoft suddenly pushing harder on Apple's platform than their own.

For years Microsoft basically ignored the Apple market seeing them as competition.

Now the new Microsoft is learning that they are another revenue channel and that they should just stay out of the hardware business.

Like I said earlier. Regardless of how you think the Surface competes in the same space, it doesn't because Apple people would never have bought it anyway.
 
SauRoNZA said:
And yet you have Microsoft suddenly pushing harder on Apple's platform than their own.

For years Microsoft basically ignored the Apple market seeing them as competition.

Now the new Microsoft is learning that they are another revenue channel and that they should just stay out of the hardware business.

Like I said earlier. Regardless of how you think the Surface competes in the same space, it doesn't because Apple people would never have bought it anyway.
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Microsoft is very far from being out of the hardware business. They have some really cool things out over the next few months.
For them it is about creating a universal platform, whether it is IOS, Android, Linux or whatever.
 
SauRoNZA said:
And yet you have Microsoft suddenly pushing harder on Apple's platform than their own.

For years Microsoft basically ignored the Apple market seeing them as competition.

Now the new Microsoft is learning that they are another revenue channel and that they should just stay out of the hardware business.

Like I said earlier. Regardless of how you think the Surface competes in the same space, it doesn't because Apple people would never have bought it anyway.
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But Microsoft isn't going after the Apple people. Apple is going after the Microsoft people. People who need to be productive on the go. And Microsoft's mobile first, cloud first thing just means their products have to be everywhere. Microsoft is first and foremost a software company and they will distribute software everywhere they can. It speaks volumes that Apple had to have Microsoft at their event so their new shiny toy doesn't look incredibly lame.
 
SammyD said:
How so? I don't see it as them trying to force Windows onto a tablet form factor but rather trying bit by bit to adapt Windows to what is seemingly the future of computing.
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In my opinion the future of computing is going to need to make a break from the legacy of the past. Apple is trying, Microsoft is not.


SammyD said:
People wanted full Windows and Microsoft gave them full Windows. Point remains, you can be worlds more productive on a Surface than an iPad Pro.
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A vanishingly small amount of people outside of Microsoft wanted full Windows on a mobile device. One look at any mobile devices sales chart will illustrate that point.

SammyD said:
Point remains, you can be worlds more productive on a Surface than an iPad Pro.
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I would personally disagree completely, but in reality that remains to be seen as the iPad Pro isn't out yet. It also depends heavily on what you define as productivity. There are worlds far outside of MS Office.
 
SammyD said:
It speaks volumes that Apple had to have Microsoft at their event so their new shiny toy doesn't look incredibly lame.
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Actually it speaks volumes that Microsoft is now relegated to a productivity app developer on Apple's platform. Once they where the dominant platform owner and king-maker, now ...
 
icyrus said:
A vanishingly small amount of people outside of Microsoft wanted full Windows on a mobile device. One look at any mobile devices sales chart will illustrate that point.











I would personally disagree completely, but in reality that remains to be seen as the iPad Pro isn't out yet. It also depends heavily on what you define as productivity. There are worlds far outside of MS Office.
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Windows tablets and 2 in 1 sales rose 59% while iPad sales dropped 15%.


http://www.smartphonemarketresearch...2-in-1-devices-pick-up-momentum-growing-86-5/





Kinda tells you that people do want tablets running a desktop operating system.





And yes there are productivity environments outside MS Office, most of which are right at home on Windows.





icyrus said:
Actually it speaks volumes that Microsoft is now relegated to a productivity app developer on Apple's platform. Once they where the dominant platform owner and king-maker, now ...
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They still own the most dominant platform on the planet. Don't see how that's changed. How has this relegated Microsoft to anything? Is that the message the world got 18 years ago in 1997 when they did the same thing? Ironically the same software was involved. As one blogger puts it (I'll look for a link), Apple has once again admitted that Microsoft is the "800 pound gorilla" when productivity is involved. Not even considering Office now, the fact that the iPP is somewhat of a Surface inspired me too device tells you that Apple thinks Microsoft got it right on other levels. So no, Microsoft wasn't relegated to anything but Apple just needed them to tell the World that the iPad Pro isn't just a bigger iPad (which it still is).



EDIT: Found it

http://pocketnow.com/2015/09/09/office-ipad
 
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SammyD said:
Windows tablets and 2 in 1 sales rose 59% while iPad sales dropped 15%.
http://www.smartphonemarketresearch...2-in-1-devices-pick-up-momentum-growing-86-5/

Kinda tells you that people do want tablets running a desktop operating system.
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Right and what was the base of each of them that the growths figures where calculated against? A bit dishonest to mention highlight that. Easy enough to get a large YOY growth number with no base.

SammyD said:
They still own the most dominant platform on the planet. Don't see how that's changed. How has this relegated Microsoft to anything?
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http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2015/5/13/the-smartphone-and-the-sun

Microsoft may as well not exist as a mobile OS and mobile is undisputedly the future of computing. Like it or not.
 
icyrus said:
Right and what was the base of each of them that the growths figures where calculated against? A bit dishonest to mention highlight that. Easy enough to get a large YOY growth number with no base.
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That's the Microsoft model, if they sold 1 last year and 3 this year they wouldn't show that and show 300% YoY
 
It's still iOS.
MS has been working on unifying everything, from the Xbox to IoT. There's been a lack of advertising on MS's part but when people see me using Windows 10 on my 8" tablet they're surprised even more when they find out it cost less than other tablets.
 
No NFC.. I suspect this is strategic to have successful 2nd revision sales ;) So no.. i'll wait for that.

This i reckon will be useful for business side more tho.
 
Fudzy said:
It doesn't work, Rpi on your Raspberry Pi is very different to the version you have on your desktop.
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He never said it's the same, but the apps work the same. An example from a dev perspective, I created a load shedding app on Windows, that same app will run on a Pi but with very little modification, that modification will be to make the Pi control relays in my house.
 
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