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[DA-LION-619]

No and yes.

No because I don't think people want a tablet that can double as a laptop.

People with a limited budget will compromise on a tablet that is also a laptop or a laptop that is also a tablet.

Windows still isn't a truly tablet OS and is still too much like a desktop in tablet mode.

Yes to do it properly it needs a fully functional OS. I feel Windows at this point is neither. It has a foot in each door and is trying to do all at once.



I mean complexity in a holistic sense of Windows logic vs Apple logic.

Like I said above Windows is not a pure desktop when in desktop mode and also doesn't quite get the pure tablet thing right.

In an ideal world this Apple hybrid would be running iOS whenever it's mobile and would become full blown OSX when docked with a mouse and keyboard.

Note the mention of a mouse, not a touchscreen interface with a keyboard, but a full desktop interface.

A mobile iMac if you will. I agree with Apple that OSX should never go touch. Instead when you need touch it should interface as iOS.

Windows tries to balance both and that to me is where the complexity comes in. Silly things like the advanced settings they've hidden away to make it seem simple has made it more complex.

Try finding "Manage Wireless Networks" in Windows 10 without Googling for instance. That's the complexity I speak of.

Windows 10 has two modes. desktop and tablet it changes the interface accordingly.

Continuum is another feature, and it's kinda what you just described with the docking functionality.

Windows Apps have to be touch friendly as they're going to be adapted to fit different screens.

It's not hard to find Manage Wireless Networks, click on my network icon in the bottom right, click Network settings then a window opens with WiFi settings, Manage Wireless Networks is in that window.


Tablet mode.


Desktop mode.


Wi-Fi Settings

 

[Arthur]

Try finding "Manage Wireless Networks" in Windows 10 without Googling for instance. That's the complexity I speak of.

Next time you use a Win10 machine, notice the Search box just to the right of the Start button. Start typing in "WiFi" ... by the time you hit the third letter w-i-f (not case sensitive) you have the settings option one click away. Voila! No need for an internet search engine.

This works for just about anything you want to find quickly - settings, apps, docs. You can even search the web from there.

Give it a try sometime.

 

[DA-LION-619]

Next time you use a Win10 machine, notice the Search box just to the right of the Start button. Start typing in "WiFi" ... by the time you hit the third letter w-i-f (not case sensitive) you have the settings option one click away. Voila! No need for an internet search engine.

This works for just about anything you want to find quickly - settings, apps, docs. You can even search the web from there.

Give it a try sometime.

I provided pictures

 

[SauRoNZA]

Windows 10 has two modes. desktop and tablet it changes the interface accordingly.

Continuum is another feature, and it's kinda what you just described with the docking functionality.

Windows Apps have to be touch friendly as they're going to be adapted to fit different screens.

It's not hard to find Manage Wireless Networks, click on my network icon in the bottom right, click Network settings then a window opens with WiFi settings, Manage Wireless Networks is in that window.

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Wi-Fi Settings

Yes I am aware of all those features in Windows 10, I have used it extensively.

And you are still coming up on the wrong screen that isn't quite like the old Manage Wireless Network.

But it was just a simple example, of how simplifying things that made it harder.

 

[SauRoNZA]

Next time you use a Win10 machine, notice the Search box just to the right of the Start button. Start typing in "WiFi" ... by the time you hit the third letter w-i-f (not case sensitive) you have the settings option one click away. Voila! No need for an internet search engine.

This works for just about anything you want to find quickly - settings, apps, docs. You can even search the web from there.

Give it a try sometime.

As always you make a very good point Arthur and I agree search should be used extensively.

However what if someone doesn't know exactly what to search for?

Also like I said above you aren't getting to quite the same page as the old manage wireless networks.

But another example. Switching a Public network to Private. There is no straight forward "click click" option to do it.

It's almost a hack, yet the default behaviour is to make it a public network.

Windows trying to simplify has bred complexity that almost makes Linux desktops look friendly.

And that's not just my opinion. This happens to be a topic of discussion in a group of IT professionals during my training this week. People having a nightmare of a time supporting people who have upgraded and the simplest of tasks aren't that simple to support.

Now if Pro users find it tricky imagine what end users feel like.

 

[DA-LION-619]

As always you make a very good point Arthur and I agree search should be used extensively.

However what if someone doesn't know exactly what to search for?

Also like I said above you aren't getting to quite the same page as the old manage wireless networks.

But another example. Switching a Public network to Private. There is no straight forward "click click" option to do it.

It's almost a hack, yet the default behaviour is to make it a public network.

Windows trying to simplify has bred complexity that almost makes Linux desktops look friendly.

And that's not just my opinion. This happens to be a topic of discussion in a group of IT professionals during my training this week. People having a nightmare of a time supporting people who have upgraded and the simplest of tasks aren't that simple to support.

Now if Pro users find it tricky imagine what end users feel like.

There is a "click click" to do it, Advanced options > Find devices and content. There is a learning curve but it isn't that hard.

 

[Arthur]

However what if someone doesn't know exactly what to search for?

Good point.

As you of course know, computers are actually pretty complex in the engine room. Vendors have spent a lot of energy trying to simplify the dashboard and hiding complexity because that makes the mass market accessible. Apple have been particularly good at that, certainly better than Microsoft.

It's immensely challenging to have a system that hides complexity and yet keep the bowels accessible to users who want to play there. In the quest for usability, Apple machines have arguably screened out too much guts, which is why Windows and Linux power users often get frustrated quite quickly.

Thank goodness we still have a choice in these things.

These are tools, after all. Each to his own.

 

[SauRoNZA]

There is a "click click" to do it, Advanced options > Find devices and content. There is a learning curve but it isn't that hard.

Sorry I was on the phone earlier and didn't elaborate as much as I should have.

I just find that they've taken many simple things that you could fine in one single place and now put them all over the show.

But as you say it's a learning curve and in time it will be second nature.

Good point.

As you of course know, computers are actually pretty complex in the engine room. Vendors have spent a lot of energy trying to simplify the dashboard and hiding complexity because that makes the mass market accessible. Apple have been particularly good at that, certainly better than Microsoft.

It's immensely challenging to have a system that hides complexity and yet keep the bowels accessible to users who want to play there. In the quest for usability, Apple machines have arguably screened out too much guts, which is why Windows and Linux power users often get frustrated quite quickly.

Thank goodness we still have a choice in these things.

These are tools, after all. Each to his own.

See I have always felt it a massive misconception based on little to no personal experience that people consider OSX too be too simple and "screen out too much guts".

There is absolutely nothing lacking in OSX. About the only thing that I missed (and apparently resolved in El Capitan) is the "snap to screen edges" function that Windows has had since 7.

But like you say to each their own and it's ultimately a tool. Although I get by just fine with Windows I feel the workflow holds me back and I could be so much more productive in OSX than I am now.

If only Windows 10 was my daily driver I would maybe hate Windows less overall. 7 is stuck in the stone age.

 

[Arthur]

I agree. And readily admit my ignorance of OSX. What I do know is that some of the biggest Mac fans work at Microsoft, and have for years ... after all, many forget that Excel was first developed for the Mac and then ported to Windows. Touch Office for IOS is native. I for one am pleased Msft seems to be rediscovering its roots as a software developer for multiple platforms. Sure it has its own OS, but that's only one platform amongst many. Windows-only isn't a religion anymore, thank goodness.

 

[CruelBreeze]

It is pointless going backward and forwards with you on this. I think the future of computing will be new paradigms set by the platforms of today and you think it will be set by the platform of the 90s. Time will tell but the data currently points in my direction.

I'm saying it will be a platform of today that's been around since the 80's. Agree to disagree. Peace!✌

 

[CruelBreeze]

Actually I don't really think any of this is defined by the operating system at all.

It's the Apps with the combination of hardware and presentation that makes it more productive or not.

The operating system is simply how you get to that app and interface with it and is somewhat irrelevant to productivity.

But that's just it. Unfortunately the most robust productivity apps ARE OS defined. The OS sort of defines what devs can and cannot do when making a productivity focused app (or program if you're iffy about naming conventions) and some things just aren't doable on a mobile OS. Come back to me when the limitations of the apps in the app store are all but history and we can talk about what is and isn't the future. As I told the other dude; lets agree to disagree.

 

[SauRoNZA]

But that's just it. Unfortunately the most robust productivity apps ARE OS defined. The OS sort of defines what devs can and cannot do when making a productivity focused app (or program if you're iffy about naming conventions) and some things just aren't doable on a mobile OS. Come back to me when the limitations of the apps in the app store are all but history and we can talk about what is and isn't the future. As I told the other dude; lets agree to disagree.

I get what you are saying and I can mostly agree.

But then you look at the "every man" scenario and so many people (that are aware of it) are now installing the Mobile versions of Office apps for free on Windows 10 and perfectly happy with it.

So do you really need the Desktop version to be productive?

I bet in the hands of most people, you don't.

 

[Zyzzyva]

The latency seems rather good.

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