New Apple iPad Pro revealed

DA-LION-619 said:
He never said it's the same, but the apps work the same. An example from a dev perspective, I created a load shedding app on Windows, that same app will run on a Pi but with very little modification, that modification will be to make the Pi control relays in my house.
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Eh? So I can run Kodi using Windows 10 on a Raspberry Pi then?
 
icyrus said:
No Azure is the future of Microsoft. I am talking about Windows.
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Then you will know that Windows 10 with its "universal" application architecture is the IoT (Internet of Things), Azure being the PaaS. It is an evolution, evolving Embedded Windows, Office 365, Skype, Outlook (Office 2016) and any other client apps and services. It is a technological convergence, a commitment to compatibility.
 
It's not inconceivable that MSFT has a longer view on this than many realise. Especially after missing out on The Great Mobile Rise over the past 8 years.

With devices hardware capability still rapidly growing, it's not far-fetched to peer 18-36 months into the future and see a rather different environment ... Win10 APIs from device to desktop, common comms and other subsystems, running common apps that appropriately adapt the UI as required ... As ISVs begin to twig and leverage the new x-platform APIs (incl Universal apps), an entirely new competitive scenario can emerge, one where MSFT straddles from server to end-point whatever the device, all integrated and easily managed through single glass. Right now neither Apple nor Google have anything with the architecture to span the spectrum.

Interesting times ahead.
 
icyrus said:
Right and what was the base of each of them that the growths figures where calculated against? A bit dishonest to mention highlight that. Easy enough to get a large YOY growth number with no base.



http://ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2015/5/13/the-smartphone-and-the-sun

Microsoft may as well not exist as a mobile OS and mobile is undisputedly the future of computing. Like it or not.
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And then we can also say "Aw snap! 15% drop in iPad sales! You know what base that figure is calculated on?! That's a whole lot people who ain't buying iPads"

Ok, so you're saying mobile is the future of computing. I was under the impression that mobile meant portable. So any portable computing device can be considered a mobile device regardless of what system it runs such as say an iPad Pro and a Surface Pro 3. But you say Microsoft is stuck in the past. Explain. They seem pretty in touch with that assertion considering their attempt (a very good one) to make their OS more "mobile". The only difference between the iPad and the Surface is the systems they run. One just happens to be more robust than the other. When you say mobile is the future, are you referring to my understanding of what a mobile device is or are you just referring to devices running crippled OS's. They took a winning formula and repackaged it. Is that a problem?
 
Other issues with iPad (besides nfc lacking) which is why I'm waiting for 2nd revision.. No force touch/3D touch, camera's still sucks for forward camera (thinking meetings.. It's still 1.2MP) and 5MP back..
 
I was hoping that the iPad Pro would be running OS X. iOS style interface in tablet mode and full blown OS X when a keyboard is connected. Both OS's run off the same codebase anyway. It would have been a killer product but now it's just a huge iPad with a keyboard and stylus stuck onto it as an afterthought.
 
SammyD said:
Windows tablets and 2 in 1 sales rose 59% while iPad sales dropped 15%.

Kinda tells you that people do want tablets running a desktop operating system.
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Actually what it tells me is that people are willing to compromise when buying a laptop and settle on a tablet that can do both instead.

Also like for like comparisons between hybrids and full blown tablet are somewhat unfair. Not to mention the cost argument where you can get Aton processor hybrids for R2500-R3500.

Don't get me wrong. I like the new Microsoft but I think you link is a little screwed.

DA-LION-619 said:
It's still iOS.
MS has been working on unifying everything, from the Xbox to IoT. There's been a lack of advertising on MS's part but when people see me using Windows 10 on my 8" tablet they're surprised even more when they find out it cost less than other tablets.
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And this is where they dropped the ball. Apple had the Universal platform in the bag for years already. OS X and iOS are virtually identical subsystems and it should be pretty simple to make a iPadbook Pro that is a MacBook without a keyboard that runs iOS on the move and OSX when docked or forced into "desktop" mode.

Right now I need to replace 2 iPads and get a desktop at home. Even if it was 15k a piece I would buy two such hybrid iPads instead.

Sadly here we have Microsoft getting there first with Universal packages as a pipe dream but the App support just isn't there. Apple have the means and the Apps are already there, but too slow to jump.

If the iPad Pro ran OSX. Even without a hybrid iOS solution I would order one tomorrow.

Which brings me to my prediction. I think iOS and OSX are both going to disappear in the next year or two and we'll simply have Apple OS running on all of their devices.

With the same single purchase Apps running on all of them. Same idea as Microsoft but without the complexity.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Actually what it tells me is that people are willing to compromise when buying a laptop and settle on a tablet that can do both instead.
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Then you agree with me. People want a tablet that can double as a laptop. For such a device to be possible it would have do do all the laptopy things that laptops do and for that you need a desktop operating system.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Actually what it tells me is that people are willing to compromise when buying a laptop and settle on a tablet that can do both instead.

Also like for like comparisons between hybrids and full blown tablet are somewhat unfair. Not to mention the cost argument where you can get Aton processor hybrids for R2500-R3500.

Don't get me wrong. I like the new Microsoft but I think you link is a little screwed.







And this is where they dropped the ball. Apple had the Universal platform in the bag for years already. OS X and iOS are virtually identical subsystems and it should be pretty simple to make a iPadbook Pro that is a MacBook without a keyboard that runs iOS on the move and OSX when docked or forced into "desktop" mode.

Right now I need to replace 2 iPads and get a desktop at home. Even if it was 15k a piece I would buy two such hybrid iPads instead.

Sadly here we have Microsoft getting there first with Universal packages as a pipe dream but the App support just isn't there. Apple have the means and the Apps are already there, but too slow to jump.

If the iPad Pro ran OSX. Even without a hybrid iOS solution I would order one tomorrow.

Which brings me to my prediction. I think iOS and OSX are both going to disappear in the next year or two and we'll simply have Apple OS running on all of their devices.

With the same single purchase Apps running on all of them. Same idea as Microsoft but without the complexity.
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MS actually has set it up quite nice but not a lot of devs are taking advantage of it, MS has even made porting easier.



Recently apps have been coming to Windows like they do on iOS or Android also they have Windows 10 projects in the works.



I'm not sure what you mean by complexity since the purchases carry over quite nicely. There was an issue with Plex but at that point Plex wasn't a universal app.
 
SammyD said:
And then we can also say "Aw snap! 15% drop in iPad sales! You know what base that figure is calculated on?! That's a whole lot people who ain't buying iPads"
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Have a look at the 2015 market share from your link. Windows has 8%. It is a non entity.

SammyD said:
Ok, so you're saying mobile is the future of computing.
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In short so you can understand, the future of computing is going to be charted by android and iOS
 
icyrus said:
Have a look at the 2015 market share from your link. Windows has 8%. It is a non entity.



In short so you can understand, the future of computing is going to be charted by android and iOS
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I'm saying that you're saying mobile is the future. Mobile devices not operating sytems. Devices for "people who do" as Microsoft puts it. iOS and Android devices are mainly for consumption. In fact I specifically said they are crippled. To do real work you need a device runs a capable system that allows you to just do (NOT A MOBILE OPERATING SYSYTEM). That now leaves a gap for a mobile device that can run tasks that devices that are "mobile devices" aren't able to. Enter the Surface/Pro. Unless in your future everyone just checks their email and play Candy Crush.

I'll just leave this here: http://pocketnow.com/2015/09/10/ipad-pro-should-run-mac-os-x
 
SammyD said:
I'm saying that you're saying mobile is the future. Mobile devices not operating sytems. Devices for "people who do" as Microsoft puts it. iOS and Android devices are mainly for consumption. In fact I specifically said they are crippled. To do real work you need a device runs a capable system that allows you to just do (NOT A MOBILE OPERATING SYSYTEM). That now leaves a gap for a mobile device that can run tasks that devices that are "mobile devices" aren't able to. Enter the Surface/Pro. Unless in your future everyone just checks their email and play Candy Crush.
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It is pointless going backward and forwards with you on this. I think the future of computing will be new paradigms set by the platforms of today and you think it will be set by the platform of the 90s. Time will tell but the data currently points in my direction.
 
SammyD said:
Then you agree with me. People want a tablet that can double as a laptop. For such a device to be possible it would have do do all the laptopy things that laptops do and for that you need a desktop operating system.
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No and yes.

No because I don't think people want a tablet that can double as a laptop.

People with a limited budget will compromise on a tablet that is also a laptop or a laptop that is also a tablet.

Windows still isn't a truly tablet OS and is still too much like a desktop in tablet mode.

Yes to do it properly it needs a fully functional OS. I feel Windows at this point is neither. It has a foot in each door and is trying to do all at once.

DA-LION-619 said:
MS actually has set it up quite nice but not a lot of devs are taking advantage of it, MS has even made porting easier.



Recently apps have been coming to Windows like they do on iOS or Android also they have Windows 10 projects in the works.



I'm not sure what you mean by complexity since the purchases carry over quite nicely. There was an issue with Plex but at that point Plex wasn't a universal app.
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I mean complexity in a holistic sense of Windows logic vs Apple logic.

Like I said above Windows is not a pure desktop when in desktop mode and also doesn't quite get the pure tablet thing right.

In an ideal world this Apple hybrid would be running iOS whenever it's mobile and would become full blown OSX when docked with a mouse and keyboard.

Note the mention of a mouse, not a touchscreen interface with a keyboard, but a full desktop interface.

A mobile iMac if you will. I agree with Apple that OSX should never go touch. Instead when you need touch it should interface as iOS.

Windows tries to balance both and that to me is where the complexity comes in. Silly things like the advanced settings they've hidden away to make it seem simple has made it more complex.

Try finding "Manage Wireless Networks" in Windows 10 without Googling for instance. That's the complexity I speak of.
 
SammyD said:
I'm saying that you're saying mobile is the future. Mobile devices not operating sytems. Devices for "people who do" as Microsoft puts it. iOS and Android devices are mainly for consumption. In fact I specifically said they are crippled. To do real work you need a device runs a capable system that allows you to just do (NOT A MOBILE OPERATING SYSYTEM). That now leaves a gap for a mobile device that can run tasks that devices that are "mobile devices" aren't able to. Enter the Surface/Pro. Unless in your future everyone just checks their email and play Candy Crush.

I'll just leave this here: http://pocketnow.com/2015/09/10/ipad-pro-should-run-mac-os-x
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Actually I don't really think any of this is defined by the operating system at all.

It's the Apps with the combination of hardware and presentation that makes it more productive or not.

The operating system is simply how you get to that app and interface with it and is somewhat irrelevant to productivity.

As you've seen I also think it should run OSX. But not "as is" and certainly not with touch.

iOS should simply before a touch based interface layer making use of universal App support. When fully desktop capable (mouse + keyboard and possible external screen too) it can be regular OSX.

Same Universal App but a different interface layer for different situations.
 
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