New hate speech bill opened for public comment

ngwe23 said:
You are completely discounting the fact that there is disproportion in the colour of the victims who are mostly black.
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why does it end with black people though?

what about other victims?
 
ngwe23 said:
You are completely discounting the fact that there is disproportion in the colour of the victims who are mostly black.
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Are there..

Do you have stats to back that up at this point in time, or is it just your opinion?
 
My aunt was targeted by the Bureau of State Security throughout the 70's and 80's for her anti-apartheid activism. She is white. How does this 'black versus white' argument promoted by some on this forum build a non-racial society when the very basis of these thoughts are built on Apartheid racial ideology? The race-based 'us vs them' mentality only perpetuates the very tenets on which Apartheid was founded. Ngwe, you score an own-goal every time you use the 'we' vs 'them' racial ideology.
 
ngwe23 said:
You are completely discounting the fact that there is disproportion in the colour of the victims who are mostly black.
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If 90% of the victims were black it would be entirely proportionate btw ;)

It only becomes disproportionate when significantly greater or less than 90% of the victims are black.
 
Flanders said:
Oh goody! You've actually gone down this road. Now we get to roast you.

Provide some examples showing how the courts are colour blind by listing where a black person has been prosecuted for hate speech. We all know the white examples exist so unless you can provide something, you're talking rubbish. Remember, you made the claim that the courts are colour blind so it is up to you to provide proof.
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Jon Qwelane was found guilty of hate speech in 2011.
Velaphi Khumalo has been taken to court for alleged hate speech.
 
ngwe23 said:
You are completely discounting the fact that there is disproportion in the colour of the victims who are mostly black.
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Ah, how predictable. Nothing but pure BS as usual. What has this got to do with victims? We are talking about people committing acts of hate speech - ie. the perpetrators. Seeing as how you've decided to talk about disproportion, you would think that in a country with no shortage of anti-white hate speech and where blacks outnumber whites so heavily, you could provide something. But no, just more victimhood.
 
ngwe23 said:
You are completely discounting the fact that there is disproportion in the colour of the victims who are mostly black.
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Nice pivot Hillary, the question was put to you to show the courts are colourblind, as you claimed.
 
Dastrix said:
Nice pivot Hillary, the question was put to you to show the courts are colourblind, as you claimed.
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TBH I think the courts predominantly are colourblind...

The bigger issue is actually getting the cases brought before the courts themselves.

The HRC as an example are completely and utterly NOT colourblind...
 
C4Cat said:
Jon Qwelane was found guilty of hate speech in 2011.
Velaphi Khumalo has been taken to court for alleged hate speech.
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What was Jon Qwelane's sentence/punishment? Did he also have to cough up 150k?

Khumalo doesn't count if his case is pending.

What about the countless HRC complaints where no action is ever taken?

Free speech and police-state issues aside, If this law were to be applied fairly, that's one thing but I, for one, have ZERO faith in that happening based on the past year alone.
 
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ToxicBunny said:
TBH I think the courts predominantly are colourblind...
The bigger issue is actually getting the cases brought before the courts themselves.
The HRC as an example are completely and utterly NOT colourblind...
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We can hope, but getting the case to court if a racist white estate agent says something as opposed to a guavamint official will have completely different outcomes given the rabid reactions we've seen. Alltogether the law is so ridiculously broad it will be open to abuse from anyone who has their feels hurt, as opposed to actually protecting legitimate hate speech.
 
ToxicBunny said:
TBH I think the courts predominantly are colourblind...

The bigger issue is actually getting the cases brought before the courts themselves.

The HRC as an example are completely and utterly NOT colourblind...
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Depends where these entities see more merit in the case :whistle:
 
ToxicBunny said:
TBH I think the courts predominantly are colourblind...

The bigger issue is actually getting the cases brought before the courts themselves.

The HRC as an example are completely and utterly NOT colourblind...
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This is actually what I was getting at. Thank you.
 
Flanders said:
What was Jon Qwelane's sentence/punishment? Did he also have to cough up 150k?

Khumalo doesn't count if his case is pending.

What about the countless HRC complaints where no action is ever taken?

Free speech and police-state issues aside, If this law were to be applied fairly, that's one thing but I, for one, have ZERO faith in that happening based on the past year alone.
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Jon Qwelane was ordered to pay R100 000
 
Dastrix said:
Nice pivot Hillary, the question was put to you to show the courts are colourblind, as you claimed.
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The way that things work is that the burden of proof is on you to prove that the courts are racially biased. It is virtually impossible to me, or anyone, to prove the negative.
 
C4Cat said:
Jon Qwelane was ordered to pay R100 000
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First Google result proves that you libtards have an endless supply of bull**** queued up to distract people who couldn't be bothered to check your facts.

That guy hasn't paid one cent. EIGHT YEARS later, the courts are still granting postponements and appeals.
 
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