New hate speech bill opened for public comment

Clerics hit out at hate speech bill

Durban – Freedom of Religion South Africa (For SA) says the passing of the Prevention and Combating of Hate Crimes and Hate Speech Bill would be a “destructive moment in the history of our democracy”.

Executive director Michael Swain also said there was “no empirical evidence” to suggest that preaching about homosexuality led to homophobic violence.

The organisation met religious leaders at the Durban Christian Centre on Tuesday, as part of a nationwide engagement programme this week.

Swain told a room of about 80 religious leaders that South Africa had adequate laws to deal with freedom of speech infringements, thus negating the need for the new Bill.

But KwaZulu-Natal-based LGBT organisations rejected these sentiments.

Swain told The Mercury that a link between preaching about homosexuality and acts of violence was a “myth”.

“I have not seen any empirical evidence that religious doctrine leads to direct harm. The church has a message of love – that is what Jesus taught.”

He said a study on the matter “must show that the church and its teaching of homosexuality has led to direct physical harm.”

He said the religious fraternity did not want to “water down” what they preached.

Swain welcomed criticism of church doctrine, but said it should not be subject to change because it offended people or groups.

He added that the definition of hate speech in the bill was too broad.

“Why do we need it (the bill)? We have the Equality Act, crimen injuria (charges), we have laws in place.”

Nonhlanhla Mkhize, director of Durban Lesbian and Gay Community and Health Care, said: “You find that discourse in religions incites severe hate speech insofar as ‘the other’ is concerned.

More at: http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/clerics-hit-out-at-hate-speech-bill-7768553
 
Swain told a room of about 80 religious leaders that South Africa had adequate laws to deal with freedom of speech infringements, thus negating the need for the new Bill.
Oxymoron. How can you have freedom of speech and infringement of it?
 
So....is it still ok to call midgets, midgets? What about gingers? Can we still poke fun of them? But only male gingers, cos some ginger females are stunningly hot:D
 
Freedom of speech isn't absolute. There are exceptions.

Just like the right to life isn't absolute. Someone can kill you in self defence for example.



Of course it exists. Look it up.

no. that is the term to fight against "freedom of speech".

no speech can be the hate speech / any speech can be hate speech, depends on how to define that. so for my definiition, no speech can be the hate speech due to no speech can be incited violence against any group.
 
no. that is the term to fight against "freedom of speech".

no speech can be the hate speech / any speech can be hate speech, depends on how to define that. so for my definiition, no speech can be the hate speech due to no speech can be incited violence against any group.

Eish! don't people read their posts before submitting them?
 
I wonder where these keyboard 'activists' for free speech were during apartheid when blacks were being persecuted, killed and jailed for speaking out against discrimination. It was a crime to even look baas in the eye - let alone speak ill of him - so please, I don't buy the delayed activism. Shove it - hypocrites!
 
I wonder where these keyboard 'activists' for free speech were during apartheid when blacks were being persecuted, killed and jailed for speaking out against discrimination. It was a crime to even look baas in the eye - let alone speak ill of him - so please, I don't buy the delayed activism. Shove it - hypocrites!

They were born in 1994, there is no one, absolutely no one here on MyBB who supported the NP and apartheid in the good old days, Those who were born before '94 have always been DP which later became DA, but you see the NP stole each and every election, no one really voted for them....
 
I wonder where these keyboard 'activists' for free speech were during apartheid when blacks were being persecuted, killed and jailed for speaking out against discrimination.

There weren't keyboards at the time, besides, most here weren't even alive during apartheid.
 
Those who were born before '94 have always been DP which later became DA, but you see the NP stole each and every election, no one really voted for them.

Or perhaps most here speak English and I personally never met an English speaking person who voted for the Nats - although I'm sure there were some.
 
I wonder where these keyboard 'activists' for free speech were during apartheid when blacks were being persecuted, killed and jailed for speaking out against discrimination. It was a crime to even look baas in the eye - let alone speak ill of him - so please, I don't buy the delayed activism. Shove it - hypocrites!
Really?
 
no. that is the term to fight against "freedom of speech".

no speech can be the hate speech / any speech can be hate speech, depends on how to define that. so for my definiition, no speech can be the hate speech due to no speech can be incited violence against any group.
Black people are all lazy dishonest thieves! The world is better off without them! Murder them all!!!!!!

That is inciting violence. If your speech convinces others to enact violence against people then you're inciting violence.

I think you're struggling with English here. Words can definitely incite violence. Whether or not you think that is a bad thing, or something that should be policed, is another matter but words can definitely incite violence.
 
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