New Macbook launched

30 inch and a Nehalem quad or 8 core system in a dual motherboard setup with ECC RAM? R20K???

The cheapest 30 inch monitor will cost you R15K.
http://www.jump.co.za/search/30+inch+monitor/
The iMac doesn't have a dual motherboard setup or ECC RAM (those products are suitable for servers and workstations, not PCs). And I found a 30" for R 14 123. So yes, a Nehalem machine at least equivalent to the less-than-1-day-old iMac for just over R 20 000. Longer product release cycle my ass.
That's why TOYOTA makes the best cars.

Toyota doesn't have a 95% market share, and they do make damn good cars. Some say that Lexus is better than it's German rivals. (I wouldn't, but some do.)
 
so why buy the macbook pro?

so back to the macbook instead of the software argument, the new macbook is cheaper than the lowest spec macbook pro and better in terms of hdd capacity. with everything else being the same why would anyone buy a macbook pro? at least the lowest spec one... just for the aluminium body, sd card slot and firewire? i know i wouldn't...
 
The iMac doesn't have a dual motherboard setup or ECC RAM (those products are suitable for servers and workstations, not PCs).

Ok I thought you were speaking of Mac Pros.

And I found a 30" for R 14 123. So yes, a Nehalem machine at least equivalent to the less-than-1-day-old iMac for just over R 20 000. Longer product release cycle my ass.

Well you found one, R14,100 is pretty close to R15K, add shipping to that too.

Look man, no-one said Macs are cheap. But some people don't mind splashing a bit extra before and then saving more in the long run. I for one saved a lot of money with this Mac Pro here - a Dell or HP would have cost me the same or more and equivalent software packages on the PC would cost me a several thousand bucks more per year. However, the benefit is in the pleasure of using a great OS, a well designed case without wires of plugs and a system which just works. No need to reinstall - system starts up faster than your Windows system even with an OS update (Tiger to Leopard) and I hear Snow Leopard shaves further seconds off the startup, the thing is fast - all 4 cores are used most of the time, I'm happy. I used a PC before and currently have 4 other PC machines here and they're functional but the OS is their drawback and lack of good software under Windows. Oh there is lots of shareware junk and malware though :). If you can't afford a Mac cry all you won't but I don't go crying and moaning how a BMW is better than a Ferrari because I can't afford a Ferrari.


Toyota doesn't have a 95% market share, and they do make damn good cars. Some say that Lexus is better than it's German rivals. (I wouldn't, but some do.)

Your argument lacks logic. Windows did not get to be No 1 because of its own merit. There simply was no other choice - Macs were substantially more expensive and OS/2 had too few programs for it. Windows won and now I receive 200 spams per day in my mailbox from Windows zombie botnets because Windows was never designed for a networked environment, yet guys like Gates and Ballmer are incredibly rich - and it's costing me lots of money every year (wasted bandwith, wasted time, ISP fees increases because spam costs, antivirus, antimalware, constant patches) because of their shoddy software coding practices.

Look Mac is not for you, but don't convince me it's not for me, Macs work great and I don't mind spending a bit extra and it's not for the pretty aluminum case.
 
How about Lumix with a Canon lens?
Its like a Mac with windows7 - only thing is, windows7 is a perfect fit on a Mac :p

Lumix don't have interchangeable lenses... they're tiny cameras not SLRs. :)

But the sensor under the hood and electronics count too, not just the lens :).
 
so back to the macbook instead of the software argument, the new macbook is cheaper than the lowest spec macbook pro and better in terms of hdd capacity. with everything else being the same why would anyone buy a macbook pro? at least the lowest spec one... just for the aluminium body, sd card slot and firewire? i know i wouldn't...

The dedicated GPU is essential if you want to use Final Cut Studio 2 and up, but Macbooks have those, so yeah, I guess Firewire. Firewire is still used to capture video from many prosumer and professional video cameras.
 
The dedicated GPU is essential if you want to use Final Cut Studio 2 and up, but Macbooks have those, so yeah, I guess Firewire. Firewire is still used to capture video from many prosumer and professional video cameras.

yeah... doesn really matter for the average guy like me thats never seen anything that uses firewire... sadly bought a 13inch macbook pro last week, couldv saved quite a lot of money if id just waited a bit...:(
 
yeah... doesn really matter for the average guy like me thats never seen anything that uses firewire... sadly bought a 13inch macbook pro last week, couldv saved quite a lot of money if id just waited a bit...:(

Get the Drobo :). It's FW800 based - which is way faster than USB and offloads CPU use so you get almost double the speed. A FW800 based drive - or diskarray is also good. :)
 
Get the Drobo :). It's FW800 based - which is way faster than USB and offloads CPU use so you get almost double the speed. A FW800 based drive - or diskarray is also good. :)

wow, this drobo thing looks quite mean... very expensive though, heading to hong kong end of year so will see if its cheaper there, was actually also thinkin of the time capsule 1tb, at current exchange rates it costs about 2000rand which is an awesome price for a router+hdd...

thanks for the info on the drobo though:D
 
Most people buy Lumix cameras. Are you saying Lumix is better than Canon EOS range?

for day to day pics? yes for sure... you can drop a lumix in your handbag. you dont need to change iso settings, aperture, etc etc before you can take a pic...
 
The thing what is holding Apple back is the unholy marriage of software and hardware.

This notebook will appeal to a lot more people if they offer it with an option between MacOS, Windows7 or Linux as OS. Then more people will actually buy it and use it for whatever needs they have. It will not longer be confined to a handful of self proclaimed elitist.

Same goes for MacOS - why have a hackintosh if you can simply buy MacOS and install it on hardware that meets the requirements? I mean it is based on Unix and that is supposed to be a very portable OS.

Fanbois are not the problem, cater only for the fanbois - that is the problem.
 
The thing what is holding Apple back is the unholy marriage of software and hardware.

This notebook will appeal to a lot more people if they offer it with an option between MacOS, Windows7 or Linux as OS. Then more people will actually buy it and use it for whatever needs they have. It will not longer be confined to a handful of self proclaimed elitist.

Same goes for MacOS - why have a hackintosh if you can simply buy MacOS and install it on hardware that meets the requirements? I mean it is based on Unix and that is supposed to be a very portable OS.

Fanbois are not the problem, cater only for the fanbois - that is the problem.

Yeah, the Xbox would be more successful if they sold it without the system, people can load their own if they know how. :D

A Mac is not a windows PC, it is built and optimized to run perfectly with the OS. That's the way some people like it and pay extra for it. If you want a Windows PC build one or buy one, same goes for Linux.
 
Yeah, the Xbox would be more successful if they sold it without the system, people can load their own if they know how. :D
Devices are often bound to what ever OS comes with them. Computers should not be - especially if you want to sell a lot of them.

A Mac is not a windows PC, it is built and optimized to run perfectly with the OS. That's the way some people like it and pay extra for it. If you want a Windows PC build one or buy one, same goes for Linux.
Thinking like that will keep apple's market share in the computer industry below 10%.

You cannot argue against what I have said. They will greatly increase their presence in the market if they unbundle (like IE from Windows) the OS from the hardware. Sure the elitist snobs can have their mac hardware with mac software, but others that just want the hardware can have it with whatever they like on it. People are already doing this anyway - apple is just fighting against reality. Much like you.
 
Yeah, the Xbox would be more successful if they sold it without the system, people can load their own if they know how. :D

A Mac is not a windows PC, it is built and optimized to run perfectly with the OS. That's the way some people like it and pay extra for it. If you want a Windows PC build one or buy one, same goes for Linux.
Have to disagree - Apple put quite a bit of effort into supporting windows on their hardware and it runs it very well. Triple booting OsX/Windows/Linux isn't uncommon.
 
Have to disagree - Apple put quite a bit of effort into supporting windows on their hardware and it runs it very well. Triple booting OsX/Windows/Linux isn't uncommon.

Yes it can be used that way, my point is this... roux said they should not include OSX, I'm saying a mac is not sold as a PC, it is a mac and built for OSX, Windows is supported if you choose to use it.
 
Given Apple's current results, I would say that they don't have a problem at all.
 
Yes it can be used that way, my point is this... roux said they should not include OSX, I'm saying a mac is not sold as a PC, it is a mac and built for OSX, Windows is supported if you choose to use it.
I see your point and agree - they'll never sell a computer without the operating system designed for it. What operating system(s) they want to use is up to the consumer.
 
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