New Test Cricket Rule

[Devill]

At Newlands, I heard the commentator saying that the crowds were of order of 16,000 per day.

Now this is SA vs Eng. How is this so poorly supported?

Lets say 1% of black people(40 million) and 20% of white (5 million) people support cricket in SA.

Thus 400 000 black people, and 100 000 white people. Now in SA we have an unemployment rate of 36% (or there about last time I looked) and our middle class can afford a whole lot less than countries like USA, Aus, Eng's middle class.

Now also remember we do not have a brilliant public transport system (very few people can go watch a test day in Joburg if they live north of PTA) and we also gravitate less towards our major cities atm than Aus, English, Americans (thus we are further away from the stadiums).

Now take all these factors into account and I am sure you will see that when SA has 16 000 a day we have a lot.

 

[semiautomatix]

No idea. Test 1 and 3 of this series just went to show again how exciting a draw can be... Was nail biting till the last ball.

I guess because the result doesn't necessarily reflect who was the better team on the day.

You can guess on a score of 35-34 how close and tough a rugby game was, you also know a score of 3-48 means the losing team sucked. In cricket it won't go down in the annals of history as South Africa out performing England in 3/4 tests, it'll just go down as South Africa lost the series, so the must have sucked.

 

[Morgoth]

I guess because the result doesn't necessarily reflect who was the better team on the day.

You can guess on a score of 35-34 how close and tough a rugby game was, you also know a score of 3-48 means the losing team sucked. In cricket it won't go down in the annals of history as South Africa out performing England in 3/4 tests, it'll just go down as South Africa lost the series, so the must have sucked.

isn't that the exact same with 4 rugby games end up with in 1 point of each other, leaving a 4-0 score?

 

[semiautomatix]

Lets say 1% of black people(40 million) and 20% of white (5 million) people support cricket in SA.

Thus 400 000 black people, and 100 000 white people. Now in SA we have an unemployment rate of 36% (or there about last time I looked) and our middle class can afford a whole lot less than countries like USA, Aus, Eng's middle class.

Now also remember we do not have a brilliant public transport system (very few people can go watch a test day in Joburg if they live north of PTA) and we also gravitate less towards our major cities atm than Aus, English, Americans (thus we are further away from the stadiums).

Now take all these factors into account and I am sure you will see that when SA has 16 000 a day we have a lot.

You can count on both hands and both feet and try to justify it - it just isn't going to be economically viable regardless of the result. These stadiums have to get their money from somewhere and these days its the ODIs and T20s.

 

[semiautomatix]

isn't that the exact same with 4 rugby games end up with in 1 point of each other, leaving a 4-0 score?

We'll have the scores of those 4 games and we'll know how close it was. However, in cricket is:

Test 1 Draw
Test 2 England win by Inn & 98 runs
Test 3 Draw
Test 4 Draw

No where can we fathom how well South Africa actually did. All we know is South Africa got thrashed in on of the games.

Rugby however:

44-45
6-38
15-12
8-8

Now the losing team loses the series, but we know it was extremely close and they did extremely well in all but one game.

5 days, no result? People just don't understand.

 

[Morgoth]

I am thinking more on the lines of a Rugby series like
44-45
22-23
12-15
8-9

An American Friend asked me once though about cricket, he cant understand how you play a game for 5 days and once all is said and done you still don't know who the victor is

its just the way it goes,

 

[Devill]

You can count on both hands and both feet and try to justify it - it just isn't going to be economically viable regardless of the result. These stadiums have to get their money from somewhere and these days its the ODIs and T20s.

They get enough from the TV rights and the sponsors to make this viable

We'll have the scores of those 4 games and we'll know how close it was. However, in cricket is:

Test 1 Draw
Test 2 England win by Inn & 98 runs
Test 3 Draw
Test 4 Draw

No where can we fathom how well South Africa actually did. All we know is South Africa got thrashed in on of the games.

Rugby however:

44-45
6-38
15-12
8-8

Now the losing team loses the series, but we know it was extremely close and they did extremely well in all but one game.

5 days, no result? People just don't understand.

People should then watch another sport. Wow if golf is boring iyo why watch it are the "people" to retarded to find the one up chanel button? Seriously? If you like seeing fast slog filled games watch pro 20... but why try and make test cricket into pro 20?

I find Ballet very very boring. Lets give them all chainsaws and blindfold them and see some fun on stage

 

[semiautomatix]

They get enough from the TV rights and the sponsors to make this viable

People should then watch another sport. Wow if golf is boring iyo why watch it are the "people" to retarded to find the one up chanel button? Seriously? If you like seeing fast slog filled games watch pro 20... but why try and make test cricket into pro 20?

I find Ballet very very boring. Lets give them all chainsaws and blindfold them and see some fun on stage

Well done Devill, you figured it out! You can rant and rave all you want about not understanding the game, or finding T20 more interesting, blah, blah. Point is cricket is a professional sport, professional sports require money, test cricket is not economically viable. If its not economically viable its future hangs in the balance. You cannot change that by calling people ignorant doo doo heads.

So, don't be so quick to judge, and rather be thankful for, T20 and ODIs, Devill, its the only reason test cricket still exists!

 

[undesign]

So, don't be so quick to judge, and rather be thankful for, T20 and ODIs, Devill, its the only reason test cricket still exists!

True and thank god for all of them then. Would be a pity if test cricket should disappear, especially after the great series' we've had in the last two years.

Grounds are largely empty, but I wonder what the TV viewing ratings are. My TV is on the cricket for most of the five days, and I actually sit and watch a substantial amount. Yet I don't feel inclined to sit at the stadium for a whole day.

 

[Ou grote]

Well done Devill, you figured it out! You can rant and rave all you want about not understanding the game, or finding T20 more interesting, blah, blah. Point is cricket is a professional sport, professional sports require money, test cricket is not economically viable. If its not economically viable its future hangs in the balance. You cannot change that by calling people ignorant doo doo heads.

So, don't be so quick to judge, and rather be thankful for, T20 and ODIs, Devill, its the only reason test cricket still exists!

You need a higher IQ to understand test cricket.

 

[semiautomatix]

You need a higher IQ to understand test cricket.

That's great, and I'm very happy for you. Unfortunately it's the accountants, with the presumably lower IQs (right?) who can end it all. So you can be a genius-level graduate and it will make bugger all difference if the world can't afford test cricket.

 

[Ou grote]

That's great, and I'm very happy for you. Unfortunately it's the accountants, with the presumably lower IQs (right?) who can end it all. So you can be a genius-level graduate and it will make bugger all difference if the world can't afford test cricket.

Well maybe if you worked / studied a bit harder you could afford it.

Yep, its sad that the numbers are dwindling. When I was a kid the WeePee vs Transvaal 1st class matches used to be sellouts.

It would be sad to see the whole 1st class game disappear, but in 20 years from now it'll probably be a memory.

 

[Devill]

Well done Devill, you figured it out! You can rant and rave all you want about not understanding the game, or finding T20 more interesting, blah, blah. Point is cricket is a professional sport, professional sports require money, test cricket is not economically viable. If its not economically viable its future hangs in the balance. You cannot change that by calling people ignorant doo doo heads.

So, don't be so quick to judge, and rather be thankful for, T20 and ODIs, Devill, its the only reason test cricket still exists!

timgaul if you would read my post again you see that I never mention that the T20 or ODIs are abomonations. There are enough Test cricket supporters around the world.

It might not be in anyway as profitable as T20s or ODIs but, timgaul, you fail to see my point.

I am saying if you do not like it there are two other formats of the same beloved game that you as a spaz can go watch timgaul.

I myself like to watch a T20 and ODI game, but then again I do not try and change them and moan about how they should be more like tests... Like one poster said it might share the same mechanics but it is in no way the same game.

Timgaul timgaul timgaul, please read this and see that other also feel the same way.

But no, I won’t miss it so long as there are pitches as spirit-crushingly lifeless as the one at Kanpur. India are 417 for 2 at stumps on the first day. Ninety overs of tedium. Three sessions of bat dominating ball, crushing bowlers’ will to live and bowl. This could be classed as entertainment, and I’m sure millions of Indians loved the sight of Gambhir and Sehwag flogging it willy-nilly to all parts. But I’m equally sure that a sizeable portion of them craved to watch the nuance of technical discipline and, well, competition.

There are lots of partly cynical, often highly plausible, reasons for the state of Test cricket being in its current apparently precarious position. Pitches are certainly a factor. And there’s one thought that the TV companies demand – sorry, politely request – that matches last as long as possible in order to drive up their revenues. This means one thing: a dead pitch, lots of batting, definitely plenty of fours, and a greater chance of the match being extended into five days.

But sooner or later, this greed for cash – by whom we’re not sure or at liberty to suggest – will come back to haunt them, because I sense a very strong sense of pissed-offness by fans these days who are no longer willing to be conned by these turgid concrete slabs which offer so little to the game, rendering captaincy and tactics almost redundant and leaving bowlers reaching for diazepam or a long piece of rope. Bowlers, fans – whatever.

http://www.cricket.mailliw.com/archives/2009/11/24/whither-test-cricket/

Again timgaul, I am not blind to the reality but also not blind to other's idiocy.

 

[semiautomatix]

Well maybe if you worked / studied a bit harder you could afford it.

Yep, its sad that the numbers are dwindling. When I was a kid the WeePee vs Transvaal 1st class matches used to be sellouts.

It would be sad to see the whole 1st class game disappear, but in 20 years from now it'll probably be a memory.

It's because I don't have 5 days to sit around and do nothing because I do work hard that has everything to do with it. I usually have the cricket on in the back ground but seldom watch much of the game.

However, I am one of the people who does attend these matches (when I can). I am not the majority, nor is being a part of dwindling numbers going to help the game.

I even took a whole bunch of my chicks friends to Centurion. They have vowed never to attend another test as it is pointless, too hot and they have better things to do. Now if this is how the majority thinks, the game is in trouble.

 

[medicnick83]

I think teams should treat TESTS like Pro20's!

That would be bloody awesome!

 

[Devill]

I think teams should treat TESTS like Pro20's!

That would be bloody awesome!

And only last 1.5 days.....

 

[semiautomatix]

timgaul if you would read my post again you see that I never mention that the T20 or ODIs are abomonations. There are enough Test cricket supporters around the world.

It might not be in anyway as profitable as T20s or ODIs but, timgaul, you fail to see my point.

I am saying if you do not like it there are two other formats of the same beloved game that you as a spaz can go watch timgaul.

I myself like to watch a T20 and ODI game, but then again I do not try and change them and moan about how they should be more like tests... Like one poster said it might share the same mechanics but it is in no way the same game.

Timgaul timgaul timgaul, please read this and see that other also feel the same way.

http://www.cricket.mailliw.com/archives/2009/11/24/whither-test-cricket/

Again timgaul, I am not blind to the reality but also not blind to other's idiocy.

Don't be an absolute tosser now Devill. I never once said I didn't watch the tests nor go to the games (in fact I attended two over December). I just know what the majority of people I go with have said and that is they won't go back.

So you can be as high and mighty as you would like to be! I really don't give a damn what your opinion is of people who don't enjoy tests because it matter fsck all in the big picture.

Fortunately not everyone has your attitude or cricket as a sport would have died 20 years ago. The introduction of day-night tests is an attempt to increase attendance. I'm sure other measures will be put in place to assist because whether you feel you are the almighty know-it-all of cricket is does not matter when the stadia and teams for their end of year budget.

This world runs on money, not because some people love the game. That's the harsh reality. If you don't like it go whine to someone else because it makes no difference to me!

 

[Devill]

Don't be an absolute tosser now Devill. I never once said I didn't watch the tests nor go to the games (in fact I attended two over December). I just know what the majority of people I go with have said and that is they won't go back.

So you can be as high and mighty as you would like to be! I really don't give a damn what your opinion is of people who don't enjoy tests because it matter fsck all in the big picture.

Fortunately not everyone has your attitude or cricket as a sport would have died 20 years ago. The introduction of day-night tests is an attempt to increase attendance. I'm sure other measures will be put in place to assist because whether you feel you are the almighty know-it-all of cricket is does not matter when the stadia and teams for their end of year budget.

This world runs on money, not because some people love the game. That's the harsh reality. If you don't like it go whine to someone else because it makes no difference to me!

I see you are still struggeling to read.
Maybe try this

 

[semiautomatix]

I see you are still struggeling to read.
Maybe try this

Maybe this will assist you in understanding why your opinion on cricket matters bugger all:

http://homepages.stmartin.edu/fac_staff/dstout/ECN101/index.htm

 

[undesign]

I see you are still struggeling to read.
Maybe try this

Maybe this will assist you in understanding why your opinion on cricket matters bugger all:

http://homepages.stmartin.edu/fac_staff/dstout/ECN101/index.htm

you two are almost as entertaining as the last 10 overs at Newlands