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You can just buy 7500F alone from me R2800 ex shipping hehe
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wizardofid said:
Glad you stuck with AM5. PSU is fine for now, it doesn't have much wiggle room, but such is life. PSU can always be upgraded later on. :) Happy building :)

I did some shopping as well today. New mouse pad, keyboard/mouse, and non rgb fans for my case the fans I have borrowed for my system needs to go back to the other system.

Tried my luck and ordered 4 x 2tb constellations. I am hoping a larger sample size give me betters drives.

Looked and NAS enclosures FK ME, they are expensive....Going the DIY route with a raspberry pi NAS will work out much cheaper.
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Orico NAS Cheaper than the synology junk thats usually fussy with drives.

DIY route is fun and all (and usually more expensive when you fine-tuned your setup), but meh, eventually you just want stuff to work with one click
 
Exaelea said:
Orico NAS Cheaper than the synology junk thats usually fussy with drives.

DIY route is fun and all (and usually more expensive when you fine-tuned your setup), but meh, eventually you just want stuff to work with one click
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Not paying that amount for a NAS period. Will consider all options, I don't mind DIY if it is cheaper. Will see in the next few days as I fine tune it and what it costs.

Will see, DIY is wide open. lots of options.
 
Another mainstream TechTuber getting super late on the Linux train... At least it will promote Linux use.


Anti-cheat will remain an issue on Linux. Any kernel-level anti-cheat will go against the open-source ethos, never mind standards. At one time I was against kernel-level anti-cheat, but cheating has now become too common in multiplayer gaming. It is also digging into the competitive/esports scene. I don't see Linux being adopted at this end unless a closed-kernel Linux is developed to address this; that simply won't happen. AI-driven anti-cheat has too many inaccuracies, and I don't see this improving any time soon, no matter how much vision modeling is improving.

Anyhow, a good Bazzite seems to be a good option. I will still take CachyOS over it every single time, and I can't say that I have experienced the Arch issues that others have. What do you Arch users do that breaks Arch?
 
Cross posting from the Battlefield 6 thread where my i7 8700 is struggling.

I have 32GB of good DDR4. I can get a new 5800xt and Mobo for about R5500.
Do you think that will be enough to give me a nice boost for the next few years? Yes the 5800xt is on an old older AM4 platform but it is faster than my current CPU (on paper) and has 2 extra cores and much newer.
A concern is that on YT comparisons there doesn't seem to be that big a gap between the two CPU as the 8700 was a powerhouse for its time.

A 9700x or similar setup is just stupidly expensive at the moment. Probably at least R16k which I just wont spend.
 
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Brawler said:
Cross posting from the Battlefield 6 thread where my i7 8700 is struggling.

I have 32GB of good DDR4. I can get a new 5800xt and Mobo for about R5500.
Do you think that will be enough to give me a nice boost for the next few years? Yes the 5800xt is on an old older AM4 platform but it is faster than my current CPU (on paper) and has 2 extra cores and much newer.
A concern is that on YT comparisons there doesn't seem to be that big a gap between the two CPU as the 8700 was a powerhouse for its time.

A 9700x or similar setup is just stupidly expensive at the moment. Probably at least R16k which I just wont spend.
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5800xt good cpu, but am5 more future proof but ddr5 prices are crazy right now
 
Gtx Gaming said:
5800xt good cpu, but am5 more future proof but ddr5 prices are crazy right now
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Yes that is basically the predicament.
I will not spend the crazy prices.

My system is coming on 7 years old. Wondering if a much newer 5800xt will be a big enough jump to keep me going. Even if it is already a dead platform it is only R5500.

Even if I get the R16k AM5 setup, it probably will also be a dead platform as something new will be out when I upgrade again in 5 years or whatever it is.
 
There's something new every 2 years.

Don't build to keep up. Build for what you are happy with that'll last you 5 years.

Is the new part faster than the old part? Congratulations you just upgraded.
 
Brawler said:
Cross posting from the Battlefield 6 thread where my i7 8700 is struggling.

I have 32GB of good DDR4. I can get a new 5800xt and Mobo for about R5500.
Do you think that will be enough to give me a nice boost for the next few years? Yes the 5800xt is on an old older AM4 platform but it is faster than my current CPU (on paper) and has 2 extra cores and much newer.
A concern is that on YT comparisons there doesn't seem to be that big a gap between the two CPU as the 8700 was a powerhouse for its time.

A 9700x or similar setup is just stupidly expensive at the moment. Probably at least R16k which I just wont spend.
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The 5800XT might have launched more recently but it's tech from 2020...it's faster than the 8700k but I don't think it's a big enough difference to go from struggling to good (relative to the investment). With that said, I think both CPUs should be able to deliver playable frame rates in BF6.

What kind of frame rate are you getting at what settings?
 
Neoprod said:
The 5800XT might have launched more recently but it's tech from 2020...it's faster than the 8700k but I don't think it's a big enough difference to go from struggling to good (relative to the investment). With that said, I think both CPUs should be able to deliver playable frame rates in BF6.

What kind of frame rate are you getting at what settings?
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To add to this, if I were in the same boat, I would rather buy into a newer platform (AM5). There are some nice deals on upgrade kits these days.

He could get a decent amount for the RAM (btw @Brawler, I am in the market for decent DDR4 RAM, please let me know the specs if you don't mind).
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Another mainstream TechTuber getting super late on the Linux train... At least it will promote Linux use.


Anti-cheat will remain an issue on Linux. Any kernel-level anti-cheat will go against the open-source ethos, never mind standards. At one time I was against kernel-level anti-cheat, but cheating has now become too common in multiplayer gaming. It is also digging into the competitive/esports scene. I don't see Linux being adopted at this end unless a closed-kernel Linux is developed to address this; that simply won't happen. AI-driven anti-cheat has too many inaccuracies, and I don't see this improving any time soon, no matter how much vision modeling is improving.

Anyhow, a good Bazzite seems to be a good option. I will still take CachyOS over it every single time, and I can't say that I have experienced the Arch issues that others have. What do you Arch users do that breaks Arch?
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There is no need for it to be closed. Many of today's security, encryption etc standards are open source.
 
B-1 said:
There is no need for it to be closed. Many of today's security, encryption etc standards are open source.
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I am speaking specifically about the implementation of anti-cheat. What is the point of having an open-source anti-cheat?
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I am speaking specifically about the implementation of anti-cheat. What is the point of having an open-source anti-cheat?
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Its ability to detect cheating and modification of its own code is all thats needed. The built binaries can easily be signed and any changes to the binary will fail when verified by the game anti cheat before gameplay starts and rejected. Its not a problem thats that difficult to solve there just hasn't been anyone willing to do it.
 
B-1 said:
Its ability to detect cheating and modification of its own code is all thats needed. The built binaries can easily be signed and any changes to the binary will fail when verified by the game anti cheat before gameplay starts and rejected. Its not a problem thats that difficult to solve there just hasn't been anyone willing to do it.
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That is only viable for the most basic cheating methods. If you can't monitor the kernel in real-time, it is effectively over. Besides, most of the serious cheaters are moving over to external cheats. I know very well how popular Arduino (incl. USB hosts), Macku, KMBox and DMA (incl. Fuser boxes) have become, not only globally but also locally. If you use Linux, it is an oyster for these types of hardware. Most of the cheats themselves are freely available on GitHub or any other code repository.

It is easy to say that there hasn't been anyone willing to do it. There is more money in making cheats in what is otherwise an open-to-roam ecosystem.

Then, even kernel-level anti-cheats are suffocating under visually-assisted cheats. AI visually-assisted anti-cheats are simply not accurate. Far too many false-positives.

For now, companies that commit themselves to fair play have to guarantee large-scope protection. They themselves inherit a liability. There could be a day that someone has had enough, with a lot of money, and sues a game developer and publisher for not upholding its own terms, conditions, and user policies. This is why proprietary anti-cheat will remain more attractive because of trust.

Anyhow, OT, cheating on Linux will remain an issue due to its openness. Linux kernels aren't all the same.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
That is only viable for the most basic cheating methods. If you can't monitor the kernel in real-time, it is effectively over. Besides, most of the serious cheaters are moving over to external cheats. I know very well how popular Arduino (incl. USB hosts), Macku, KMBox and DMA (incl. Fuser boxes) have become, not only globally but also locally. If you use Linux, it is an oyster for these types of hardware. Most of the cheats themselves are freely available on GitHub or any other code repository.

It is easy to say that there hasn't been anyone willing to do it. There is more money in making cheats in what is otherwise an open-to-roam ecosystem.

Then, even kernel-level anti-cheats are suffocating under visually-assisted cheats. AI visually-assisted anti-cheats are simply not accurate. Far too many false-positives.

For now, companies that commit themselves to fair play have to guarantee large-scope protection. They themselves inherit a liability. There could be a day that someone has had enough, with a lot of money, and sues a game developer and publisher for not upholding its own terms, conditions, and user policies. This is why proprietary anti-cheat will remain more attractive because of trust.

Anyhow, OT, cheating on Linux will remain an issue due to its openness. Linux kernels aren't all the same.
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I don't know of any other sport that you can sit at home and get ranked so ultimately that will need to change. The majority of sports you need to do club events, provincial events, global events etc where you and your equipment can be inspected.

As you stated with the technology and computing we have available these days its not very hard to put together image recognition and navigation that sits entirely outside of the gaming machine where the OS makes no difference.
 
PhireSide said:
To add to this, if I were in the same boat, I would rather buy into a newer platform (AM5). There are some nice deals on upgrade kits these days.

He could get a decent amount for the RAM (btw @Brawler, I am in the market for decent DDR4 RAM, please let me know the specs if you don't mind).
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Where are these nice deals? Have you seen the price of ddr5 in the last 2 weeks?
 
Lupus said:
Where are these nice deals? Have you seen the price of ddr5 in the last 2 weeks?
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Progenix has some upgrade kits and I have seen other vendors as well.

Maybe some BF deals drop soon as well
 
PhireSide said:
Progenix has some upgrade kits and I have seen other vendors as well.

Maybe some BF deals drop soon as well
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Within the last 2 weeks where RAM prices have gone up 200% cheapest and only R5 kit on Progenix for AM5 is R9499 for a 7600 and 16gb.
Cheapest Evetech one is R7999 for a 7400 and 16gb of RAM
Doubt there will be any decent bf deals
 
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