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[acidrain]

Probably the most ideal place to ask.

Does anyone know the best place for Server chassis's?

Most places I have looked are only selling 450mm deep chassis and would like something more in the range of 600 deep.

Trying to look for something that can take an E-ATX size board with support for 8+ 3.5 drives

 

[ToxicBunny]

Probably the most ideal place to ask.

Does anyone know the best place for Server chassis's?

Most places I have looked are only selling 450mm deep chassis and would like something more in the range of 600 deep.

Trying to look for something that can take an E-ATX size board with support for 8+ 3.5 drives

Delayed response but you could look at www.cme.co.za

I recently bought a few Rackmount chassis for them for my home, and they seemed to have a bit of a range of options.

 

[Okty]

I am thinking of finally saving a bit and forking out for a new gaming system. Quite a few games that came out and coming in the future that I am actually interested in playing.

Here a list I threw together, not sure on some of the components (like the PSU, if it will be big enough).

No, I am not going to stream, or use the pc for 3d compiling etc. - just gaming as the main focus.

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Any thoughts?

 

[Neoprod]

I am thinking of finally saving a bit and forking out for a new gaming system. Quite a few games that came out and coming in the future that I am actually interested in playing.

Here a list I threw together, not sure on some of the components (like the PSU, if it will be big enough).

No, I am not going to stream, or use the pc for 3d compiling etc. - just gaming as the main focus.

PC Builder - Wootware

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Any thoughts?

The 7800x3d will pull at most 85W (despite AMD giving it a PPT of 162W). I don't know why the standard 8 core TDP and PPT weren't updated for the x3d chip but I guess using the theoretical maximum is safest. The Palit 4070 Super is limited to 220W so a 650W would be fine but 750W isn't much more expensive. You can mock up your build on pcpartpicker.com and it will give you a total worst case wattage - it's probably around 480-500W.

Some info \ some personal preference kind of things -
1) 240mm AIO's aren't big enough to make them better than even mid-priced air coolers. The 360mm \ 420mm ones make more sense but they're not necessary for a 7800x3d. And then air coolers have simplicity going for them - not much can go wrong with a chunk of metal and a couple fans. The Frozn A620 Pro SE is very good for its asking price.

2) That particular motherboard will run hot if you decide to drop a 12 core or 16 core CPU in there one day (and run sustained all-core workloads) - not something to worry about with the 7800x3d that uses less power than a 6 core chip can. It's a trade-off - decent price for what it delivers.

3) The TeamGroup Expert 6000 CL30 kit has marginally better sub-timings than the Flarex kit (minor but it would bug me).

4) I really like the Lian Li Dan case I've been seeing articles about. It's so neat and tidy at only 26l in volume compared to most other m-atx cases that are like 40-45 litres. That smaller size might not be worth the asking price but damn, I'm tempted to get one and go through the schlep of moving stuff across just. Oh, also it doesn't come with any fans.

 

[Soul Assassin]

I am thinking of finally saving a bit and forking out for a new gaming system. Quite a few games that came out and coming in the future that I am actually interested in playing.

Here a list I threw together, not sure on some of the components (like the PSU, if it will be big enough).

No, I am not going to stream, or use the pc for 3d compiling etc. - just gaming as the main focus.

PC Builder - Wootware

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Any thoughts?

Just a cursory glance, I would change the PSU for the full modular version and then wait for the stock coming next month and get the Wootvision monitor, it's 180Hz vs 144Hz, IPS instead of VA all while costing less.

 

[Okty]

Thanks for the info!

The 7800x3d will pull at most 85W (despite AMD giving it a PPT of 162W). I don't know why the standard 8 core TDP and PPT weren't updated for the x3d chip but I guess using the theoretical maximum is safest. The Palit 4070 Super is limited to 220W so a 650W would be fine but 750W isn't much more expensive. You can mock up your build on pcpartpicker.com and it will give you a total worst case wattage - it's probably around 480-500W.

Thanks, made a mock build - seems I need about 503W at peak (I assume).

Some info \ some personal preference kind of things -
1) 240mm AIO's aren't big enough to make them better than even mid-priced air coolers. The 360mm \ 420mm ones make more sense but they're not necessary for a 7800x3d. And then air coolers have simplicity going for them - not much can go wrong with a chunk of metal and a couple fans. The Frozn A620 Pro SE is very good for its asking price.

Thanks, once again I just sort of chose something at the top - thought liquid cooling would be better. Will change it to the Frozn A620.

2) That particular motherboard will run hot if you decide to drop a 12 core or 16 core CPU in there one day (and run sustained all-core workloads) - not something to worry about with the 7800x3d that uses less power than a 6 core chip can. It's a trade-off - decent price for what it delivers.

Will keep it in mind, but I plan to keep CPU for a few years. If I need to a new CPU again, will most probably get a new MB with it.

3) The TeamGroup Expert 6000 CL30 kit has marginally better sub-timings than the Flarex kit (minor but it would bug me).

Will have a look, I just picked a 32Gig 6000Mhz bundle at random.

4) I really like the Lian Li Dan case I've been seeing articles about. It's so neat and tidy at only 26l in volume compared to most other m-atx cases that are like 40-45 litres. That smaller size might not be worth the asking price but damn, I'm tempted to get one and go through the schlep of moving stuff across just. Oh, also it doesn't come with any fans.

I am not that bother by the aesthetic of the cases, or having to look inside etc. Mine will probably be on the ground. Actually saw one that is a bit cheaper than the one I choose - might take that one.

 

[Okty]

Just a cursory glance, I would change the PSU for the full modular version and then wait for the stock coming next month and get the Wootvision monitor, it's 180Hz vs 144Hz, IPS instead of VA all while costing less.

Thanks very much, will change PSU unit to full module.

Had a look at the monitor - I assume it is this one you're talking about?

WootVision WV27QHDPT-180HZ 27" WQHD(2560x1440) 180Hz 1ms IPS AMD FreeSync Gaming Monitor

Buy WootVision WV27QHDPT-180HZ 27" WQHD(2560x1440) 180Hz 1ms IPS AMD FreeSync Gaming Monitor at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

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Looks good, might then do a pre-booking the get one in October.

 

[Okty]

I have updated the list components - also added a PCI wifi card (PC will almost be sitting next to the Fibre 2.4/5 Ghz router).

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I am not sure about the GFX card - don't know if I should stay with the 'stock' 4070 super, or get an OC version of the 4070 super? Does it overclock automatically, or is it something you must fiddle with?

My plan is to budget again after this and one day replace it with maybe the 'midrange' 60 series cards when they are fully out and matured (2 to 3 years I assume).

I see Wootware is selling 'recertified' RX 7900XT for about R14 800 - a little bit more than the stock 4070 super. I had a look at benchmarks, seems the 7900XT is quite faster than the 4070 S for 'raw' GPU power, but it seems when it comes to Nvidia RT and DLS 3.0 are way better than the AMD equivalent - any thoughts/opinions?

 

[Soul Assassin]

I have updated the list components - also added a PCI wifi card (PC will almost be sitting next to the Fibre 2.4/5 Ghz router).

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I am not sure about the GFX card - don't know if I should stay with the 'stock' 4070 super, or get an OC version of the 4070 super? Does it overclock automatically, or is it something you must fiddle with?

My plan is to budget again after this and one day replace it with maybe the 'midrange' 60 series cards when they are fully out and matured (2 to 3 years I assume).

I see Wootware is selling 'recertified' RX 7900XT for about R14 800 - a little bit more than the stock 4070 super. I had a look at benchmarks, seems the 7900XT is quite faster than the 4070 S for 'raw' GPU power, but it seems when it comes to Nvidia RT and DLS 3.0 are way better than the AMD equivalent - any thoughts/opinions?

For me personally right now I am willing to pay the "Nvidia tax" for the added features, just off the top of my head I think these values are more or less accurate, the 4070 Super in Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive aka Path Tracing at 1440P with DLSS Quality and Frame Generation you get about 100FPS, the 7900 XTX at R18999 for the recertified at Wootware, not the XT, so the top of the range AMD GPU gets 70FPS with the same settings while also looking worse.

Of course if you turn off RT it's a whole different story but with Nvidia you get to turn the nice things on and still get good frames.

On to the other things, I would consider the Montech Sky Two GX over the case you got, it will have better airflow and be quieter because it has 140mm fans instead of the 120mm in yours and just add an exhaust fan, if your PC is next to the router leave the Wi-Fi and get an ethernet cable, the OC version of GPUs are never worth it, you can download MSI Afterburner and drag a slider half a centimetre to the right and achieve the exact same thing.

 

[Okty]

For me personally right now I am willing to pay the "Nvidia tax" for the added features, just off the top of my head I think these values are more or less accurate, the 4070 Super in Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive aka Path Tracing at 1440P with DLSS Quality and Frame Generation you get about 100FPS, the 7900 XTX at R18999 for the recertified at Wootware, not the XT, so the top of the range AMD GPU gets 70FPS with the same settings while also looking worse.

Of course if you turn off RT it's a whole different story but with Nvidia you get to turn the nice things on and still get good frames.

Thanks again for your input. Yes, that seems to be the same sentiment on all the reviews/benchmarks I looked at.

On to the other things, I would consider the Montech Sky Two GX over the case you got, it will have better airflow and be quieter because it has 140mm fans instead of the 120mm in yours and just add an exhaust fan, if your PC is next to the router leave the Wi-Fi and get an ethernet cable, the OC version of GPUs are never worth it, you can download MSI Afterburner and drag a slider half a centimetre to the right and achieve the exact same thing.

Thanks, will have a look at that case, quitter fans will be welcomed.

Ok, I will just make it easy and stick with the stock 4070S.

 

[Fulcrum29]

For me personally right now I am willing to pay the "Nvidia tax" for the added features, just off the top of my head I think these values are more or less accurate, the 4070 Super in Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive aka Path Tracing at 1440P with DLSS Quality and Frame Generation you get about 100FPS, the 7900 XTX at R18999 for the recertified at Wootware, not the XT, so the top of the range AMD GPU gets 70FPS with the same settings while also looking worse.

Of course if you turn off RT it's a whole different story but with Nvidia you get to turn the nice things on and still get good frames.

On to the other things, I would consider the Montech Sky Two GX over the case you got, it will have better airflow and be quieter because it has 140mm fans instead of the 120mm in yours and just add an exhaust fan, if your PC is next to the router leave the Wi-Fi and get an ethernet cable, the OC version of GPUs are never worth it, you can download MSI Afterburner and drag a slider half a centimetre to the right and achieve the exact same thing.

"Nvidia Tax" only exists in MSRP. When there are discounts, the 'tax' is 'deducted', and the options are more or less equalised in price. All the early adopters pay tax, regardless whether you buy AMD, Intel or Nvidia. The only reason you would want to buy a high-end AMD GPU is to have access to its high capacity RAM which is only really now becoming relevant in production workloads which is also improving on AMD's side. Comparing AMD GPUs to Nvidia, it is only the 7800 XT and 7900 GRE which are valid gaming options in my view. I would add the 7700 XT to that too, but it is all dependent on price. Taking that under consideration, the 4070/TI/Super are the best segmented gaming GPUs available on the market, again, valued on price at any given time.

This said, the SA market doesn't get the US/EU deals either.

The best high-end GPU is the 4080/Super.

AMD has realised their position in the market as well. Even in the used market, they don't compete too well any more. People can say what they want about Nvidia, but Nvidia simply has the best go-to-market strategy. People said Nvidia doesn't care about gamers, well, anyone seen AMD's latest statement? AMD is now adapting their GPU business unit, which is now centralised like the GCN days, to where the money is, computing.

The Montech Sky Two GX is possibly the best case in its price class.

For notice, when you buy any new "high-power" GPU, and you have a +20 degree Celsius discrepancy in your hotspot, then you have a bad paste and or bad heat sink mounting pressure issue. The average PC user doesn't really notice that they are thermal throttling under these conditions.

 

[Soul Assassin]

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The other AMD thing I saw this morning is apparently FSR 4 is moving to AI powered like DLSS and I have a suspicion that the PSSR upscaler the PS5 Pro is going to have will be an early build of FSR 4, so maybe next year or the year after there will be feature parity.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Here is a reason why consumers should dislike Nvidia,

Though it should be noted that GDDR6X is short in supply.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I had a look at the X870 boards. Note that it is a cut-down 670/E with USB4 support. The product placement, however, seems to displace the 650/E boards. The Gigabyte X870 Eagle is available, well, pre-order listed at $229 in the US, which is reasonable, but there are better-equipped and discounted current-gen 600 boards. In my mind, I don't think the lower range 870 boards are a good buy. In this price class, I would look at 650E boards. Unless there is something new with memory support, which won't matter anyway to people who don't tweak.

 

[Soul Assassin]

I got my RTX 4070 today, that deal at Wootware was just too good to not upgrade finally, GTX 1660Ti to RTX 4070, it's just chewing up everything I throw at it.

One of the only single player games I still had to test before and after was Ghost of Tsushima, it still had my old settings as well so it was easy to compare, I went from 80-90FPS on my old card to 200-220FPS. Turned everything to the max, no more upscaling, DLAA in fact, turned G-Sync and V-Sync on in the NVCP and it's just chilling locked to 138FPS.

Installed Star Wars Outlaws that came with it for free, same thing, everything on high including ray tracing, DLAA, sitting at 120-138FPS depending on the area and then if I check benchmarks online of my old card everything on low, no ray tracing obviously, sits at 40-50FPS.

So I am very very happy.

 

[Neoprod]

I got my RTX 4070 today, that deal at Wootware was just too good to not upgrade finally, GTX 1660Ti to RTX 4070, it's just chewing up everything I throw at it.

 

[Soul Assassin]

What's actually crazy to me is the power efficiency on these cards, how is this thing 3x as fast while only using 50w more power.

 

[Lupus]

What's actually crazy to me is the power efficiency on these cards, how is this thing 3x as fast while only using 50w more power.

Yeah the 40 series is really power efficient, I think it's 90w less than my 3070ti

 

[Okty]

I got my RTX 4070 today....

Nice!

I ordered my pc from Wootware this week, unfortunately, they need to wait for parts from supplier, so delivery ETA is after 7 Oct. Derp

I also split the screen from the order to be shipped separately, delivery near the end of Oct. Double Derp.

 

[RogueTr00per]

I got my RTX 4070 today, that deal at Wootware was just too good to not upgrade finally, GTX 1660Ti to RTX 4070, it's just chewing up everything I throw at it.

One of the only single player games I still had to test before and after was Ghost of Tsushima, it still had my old settings as well so it was easy to compare, I went from 80-90FPS on my old card to 200-220FPS. Turned everything to the max, no more upscaling, DLAA in fact, turned G-Sync and V-Sync on in the NVCP and it's just chilling locked to 138FPS.

Installed Star Wars Outlaws that came with it for free, same thing, everything on high including ray tracing, DLAA, sitting at 120-138FPS depending on the area and then if I check benchmarks online of my old card everything on low, no ray tracing obviously, sits at 40-50FPS.

So I am very very happy.

Congrats, which 4070 did you get?