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i've seen thermaltake's "the tower 600" and its everything i want in a tower, esp now that im looking at putting together a new rig (probably when the new gen stuff comes out) i know that wootware and rebelgaming stock "the tower 300" which is the smaller version of it....
just wondering if anyone knows how i can find out when it will be coming out in sa
 
For those who need maximum RAM clearance, or have RAM mods, Wootware has Scythe Fuma 3 and Mugen 6 incoming.
 
kazeus said:
i've seen thermaltake's "the tower 600" and its everything i want in a tower, esp now that im looking at putting together a new rig (probably when the new gen stuff comes out) i know that wootware and rebelgaming stock "the tower 300" which is the smaller version of it....
just wondering if anyone knows how i can find out when it will be coming out in sa
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Email them and ask. It is a new case, and an upmarket premium case, so expect low quantities when coming to SA.
 
The big name tech reviewers haven't had a look at the bottom range X870E motherboards. I saw that Glitched had a look at the Gigabyte X870 Aorus Elite Wi-Fi 7.


It is well-priced, and more accessible than the current gen ASUS TUF board which is available now. I have seen reviewers only talk good about its temps.

I think this might be the motherboard I am pulling the trigger on.
 

AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver Posted For Linux - Phoronix

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AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver Posted For Linux​


AMD today quietly posted a new open-source Linux kernel driver for review... the AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver. This AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver for Linux is intended to help optimize performance on systems sporting 3D V-Cache such as the AMD Ryzen "X3D" parts and the EPYC "X" processors.

The AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver provides an interface for user-space to indicate whether their workloads are more cache sensitive or prefer higher frequency operation. This interface sets a bias to alter the CPU core reordering depending upon whether you are desiring higher frequences or larger L3 cache usage for your application(s).

With this core reordering by the AMD 3D V-Cache Optimizer, in frequency mode the cores within the faster CCD are prioritized before the slower CCD. Meanwhile in the "cache mode" of operation, the cores within the large L3 cache CCD are prioritized.

For those that were hoping all future AMD 3D V-Cache processors would boast CCDs with all the same large L3 caches, the work on this driver now seems to indicate that this won't necessarily be the case. Given today is the first time this Linux driver has been publicly posted, it would seem that at least some future AMD processor models will continue with only a subset of the CCDs having the big cache sizes.

This new driver is gated by the new "AMD_3D_VCACHE" Kconfig option and the driver named x3d_vcache. When enabled and running on a AMD 3D V-Cache processor, the /sys/bus/platform/drivers/amd_x3d_vcache/AMDI0101:00/amd_x3d_mode sysfs file is exposed where users can write "frequency" for setting the high frequency preference or "cache" for preferring cores from the larger L3 CCD as a priority.

This new AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer driver for Linux is now out for review on the platform-driver-x86 mailing list. Hopefully it can get reviewed and queued up in time for the upcoming Linux v6.13 cycle.
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Ignoring some parts above, I am curious how this driver will behave versus the Windows driver, which either works or doesn't work.
 
I think Intel is being conservative with the launch, and the platform's future prospects. Simply because of the Intel 13th and 14th gen fallout. They don't want to set expectations. Then there is their own future which needs to be taken under consideration. If there is to be an acquisition, if there is to be a large investment into their fabs, it will shift their goals. The USA wants to hold Intel firmly in their own hands.

They aren't sandbagging, they are playing it safe. I do question what they will have in response to AMD's X3D? There must be something, neither can I see them forego the server and pro-consumer market. Trickling down will be in effect, it is just that the consumer product is unknown.

Something does tell me that the Ultra 5 desktop CPU will be very good value for money. Reviews will need to tell what is happening at the top end.
 
As far as cooler compatibility and mounting pressure are concerned. Noctua has all of the answers (which is likely to be broadly applicable):

Intel LGA1851 cooling – all you need to know​

Intel’s new Core™ Ultra desktop processors (Series 2), also known under the code name Arrow Lake-S, are based on the entirely new LGA1851 socket that supersedes the previous LGA1700 platform. While the new Core™ Ultra 9 285K, Core™ Ultra 7 265K or Core™ Ultra 5 245K models cannot be used on LGA1700 motherboards, all LGA1700 compatible Noctua CPU coolers and mounting kits are also compatible with LGA1851 and do not require any updates to be used on the new Z890 motherboards. Older heatsinks that do not yet include LGA1700 mounting parts can be upgraded free of charge (see below). Here is all you need to know:

Mounting compatibility and upgrade kits​

The heatsink mounting system for LGA1851 is identical to LGA1700, so all Noctua heatsinks that support LGA1700 also support LGA1851 and do not require any mounting upgrades.

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Mounting pressure​

While key parameters such as the mounting hole pitch on the motherboard, stack-up height (height of the CPU’s integrated heat spreader above the motherboard PCB) and backplate thickness remain unchanged from LGA1700 to LGA1851, Intel has updated the requirement for the minimum heatsink mounting pressure in order to ensure sufficient contact between the CPU pads and the socket pins using the new RL-ILM. All Noctua heatsinks easily meet this minimum pressure requirement and are therefore safe to use on RL-ILM equipped motherboards.

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Which NH-D15 G2 variant to choose for LGA1851?​

The NH-D15 G2 is the first Noctua heatsink to be available in three versions, each with different base convexity levels. For LGA1851, we generally recommend the regular standard version with medium base convexity. Most higher-end LGA1851 motherboards use the new RL-ILM that significantly reduces CPU warp compared to LGA1700 and even on motherboards that use the so-called default ILM with higher ILM pressure, we have generally measured slightly less deformation than with LGA1700 CPUs. Therefore, medium base convexity heatsinks such as the standard NH-D15 G2 as well as all other Noctua multi-socket coolers have shown the best contact quality and thermal performance in our tests.
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Got my new pc from Wootware this week, including the monitor (decided to go with the AOC) - was busy setting up windows etc.

Nice build, shame the case is under my desk. The 120mm fans are definitely more quit than normal fans :)

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So have been toying around with it, and initially I was a bit disappointed with the FPS results regarding recent games that came out.

Got Space Marine 2 free with the AMD CPU, so tested out the FPS on native resolution with HIGH settings. The FPS wasn't bad - it was around 50 to 70, but I was expecting it to be native around 90+.

I also tested Forever Winter (a UE 5 game I think) and it was sort of the same story.

At first, I thought something was wrong with my setup, downloaded the 3dmark nomad demo to test, but it seems people with similar rigs as mine got in the same ballpark as my 3dmark score. Also, looking at other people benchmarking the 4070S at 1440p native resolution also yielded the same ballpark fps range.

So, with that all said, activating DLSS really gives an FPS boost with the same tiles, so it seems this is the future?

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On the one hand, I am a bit muffed by having to use DLSS to get better frames, but on the other hand, experiencing the technology firsthand is actually quite amazing - I can't really distinguish at this stage between native and 'balanced' DLSS setting.

Maybe if I took side by side screenshots for comparison you might spot differences in image quality, but playing a title, I wouldn't be able to tell you. The same was with Cyberpunk with DLSS activated.

But for now, I decided to stop worrying about it and just play some games :)
 
Possibly the two worst games to test with, Space Marine 2 is fully CPU bound, you would probably get the same FPS with a 4060 and Forever Winter is super early access, it just runs like ass, the current couple of UE5 games are not very optimised.

While you're still in the ooh and aah phase like I am, this program is great:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/technologies/icat/

Edit: I don't care what people moan about with DLSS and Frame Generation, I love it. Especially DLSS when native has fine details that flicker or shimmer and then you turn DLSS on and magically everything looks amazing and stable. I'll take my free frames thank you.
 
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Okty said:
Got my new pc from Wootware this week, including the monitor (decided to go with the AOC) - was busy setting up windows etc.

Nice build, shame the case is under my desk. The 120mm fans are definitely more quit than normal fans :)

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Nice case. I would have gotten the Sky Two GX, but I already have an Air 903.

Okty said:
So have been toying around with it, and initially I was a bit disappointed with the FPS results regarding recent games that came out.

Got Space Marine 2 free with the AMD CPU, so tested out the FPS on native resolution with HIGH settings. The FPS wasn't bad - it was around 50 to 70, but I was expecting it to be native around 90+.
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4K native (high), 4070S?

Okty said:
I also tested Forever Winter (a UE 5 game I think) and it was sort of the same story.

At first, I thought something was wrong with my setup, downloaded the 3dmark nomad demo to test, but it seems people with similar rigs as mine got in the same ballpark as my 3dmark score. Also, looking at other people benchmarking the 4070S at 1440p native resolution also yielded the same ballpark fps range.

So, with that all said, activating DLSS really gives an FPS boost with the same tiles, so it seems this is the future?

View attachment 1763704

On the one hand, I am a bit muffed by having to use DLSS to get better frames, but on the other hand, experiencing the technology firsthand is actually quite amazing - I can't really distinguish at this stage between native and 'balanced' DLSS setting.

Maybe if I took side by side screenshots for comparison you might spot differences in image quality, but playing a title, I wouldn't be able to tell you. The same was with Cyberpunk with DLSS activated.

But for now, I decided to stop worrying about it and just play some games :)
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Upscaling (and AI) is what will keep the consoles relevant. Do expect it to be catered to by game developers. At least it is improving.

Nice PC.
 
Heading overseas shortly.

What would you consider importable- eg I bring back home - without being too concerned about breakages and warranty?

CPU, ram, gpu?
 
shadow_man said:
Heading overseas shortly.

What would you consider importable- eg I bring back home - without being too concerned about breakages and warranty?

CPU, ram, gpu?
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Have you looked at the specific things you're wanting to get to see if it is worth buying where you're going? For example the US doesn't quote sales tax \ state taxes on their websites (because the user might be browsing from anywhere and states can have different tax rates). Whereas here VAT is universal so that's what we get quoted.

A lot of things are not especially cheap in the US and Europe compared to here - sometimes things are cheaper on like Aliexpress. It doesn't always make sense to import unless there's a significant local import duty like on monitors, for example.
 
Neoprod said:
Have you looked at the specific things you're wanting to get to see if it is worth buying where you're going? For example the US doesn't quote sales tax \ state taxes on their websites (because the user might be browsing from anywhere and states can have different tax rates). Whereas here VAT is universal so that's what we get quoted.

A lot of things are not especially cheap in the US and Europe compared to here - sometimes things are cheaper on like Aliexpress. It doesn't always make sense to import unless there's a significant local import duty like on monitors, for example.
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Thanks usually I ship to Oregon iirc for no sales tax then get it from there.
 
Soul Assassin said:
Possibly the two worst games to test with, Space Marine 2 is fully CPU bound, you would probably get the same FPS with a 4060 and Forever Winter is super early access, it just runs like ass, the current couple of UE5 games are not very optimised.

While you're still in the ooh and aah phase like I am, this program is great:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/technologies/icat/

Edit: I don't care what people moan about with DLSS and Frame Generation, I love it. Especially DLSS when native has fine details that flicker or shimmer and then you turn DLSS on and magically everything looks amazing and stable. I'll take my free frames thank you.
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Ah, ok, good to know then with regards to the games.

Damn, didn't know Nvidia even had such a program to do comparisons with :laugh:

Fulcrum29 said:
Nice case. I would have gotten the Sky Two GX, but I already have an Air 903.



4K native (high), 4070S?



Upscaling (and AI) is what will keep the consoles relevant. Do expect it to be catered to by game developers. At least it is improving.

Nice PC.
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No, 1440p native high.

Thanks, hopefully devs won't become too lazy with their games.
 
MSI has developed an offset horseshoe specifically designed for the LGA 7851 socket.

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I have seen this yesterday already, but I am unsure if it is for their product only. Taking into consideration the design of their baseplates. It would have been interesting if it was to be supplied with MSI motherboards.

For those who have debau8er video he has touched on how the socket is different from LGA1700. One change is a subtle shift of the retention bracket for the socket. Therefore, the custom retention brackets from the previous generation are not compatible with the new socket. Thermal Grizzly is making a new bracket for LGA1851, but it is unknown if it will be more advantageous over the new standard (which is seemingly only installed on higher-end motherboards).
 
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