Well to me, and majority of players, a game stuttering vs not stuttering is quite important.
If it was a ryzen using onboard gfx, heck that's a 50-60% fps loss instantly for running single channel.
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If it was a ryzen using onboard gfx, heck that's a 50-60% fps loss instantly for running single channel.
Fulcrum29
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Yes, I know it is now sold out, but which RAM kit would you take, ignoring price (not that there is much between the kits)
OR
Both kits are currently or were in the XPG's case on sale. There is almost not a single review on the above XPG kit, except kits with other timings. Though I have heard that they clock very well, and loves AMD. Neither kits PMIC have any thermal pad.
Anyone with experience?
EDIT: Linked to Wootware who have a 'sale' on.
XPG Lancer Black Edition 64GB (DDR5-6000MHz CL30 1.35V)
OR
G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO 64GB (DDR5-6000MHz CL30 1.40V)
Both kits are currently or were in the XPG's case on sale. There is almost not a single review on the above XPG kit, except kits with other timings. Though I have heard that they clock very well, and loves AMD. Neither kits PMIC have any thermal pad.
Anyone with experience?
EDIT: Linked to Wootware who have a 'sale' on.
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Agent67
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As long as it runs smoothly I'm happy, is what I'm getting at. I don't need 120fps Ultra or whatever.
Just 1080p Low 45fps at least.
Mkay, but why upgrade and lock away a good part of the performance then..As long as it runs smoothly I'm happy, is what I'm getting at. I don't need 120fps Ultra or whatever.
Just 1080p Low 45fps at least.
Just get a much cheaper i5 7th gen cpu for like R600-R800 ( or spend the 1.2-2k on an i7) to replace the i3 and save the 2.5-3k towards a proper system upgrade if you are fine with stuttery 1080p low 45fps experience.
Progenix Oj101
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It won't be more sane anytime soon. MSI does a terrible job of funding local. I haven't listed the board yet, but it'll be R 7,056.
I think they're trash
Nobody's fooling anyone, you get EXACTLY the configuration that's stated in the description. If you want a 5500 with 2x8GB RAM, there are options, such as this:
AMD Ryzen 5 5500 / MSI A520M PRO Motherboard / 16GB RGB DDR4-3600 Upgrade Kit — Best Deals at Progenix — South Africa
This Ryzen 5 Upgrade Kit has everything you need to stay ahead of the pack and is a great way to begin your gaming journey. The upgrade kit features a 5th Gen AMD Ryzen 5 CPU and RGB DDR4 memory, which will ensure that every task gets completed quickly an
progenix.co.za
There's no ambiguity regarding the RAM configuration, so I'm not sure why you say we're "fooling" anyone. Not everyone who wants 16GB wants 2x8GB. It leaves no room for adding a second 16GB - which is very common at this price point. Wanting 32GB RAM but starting with 16GB and adding a second module in a month or two.
We'll never do this (completely made-up situation, I'm suuuuure nobody does it
):
And then re-iterate it several times like this:
and like this:
And finally add a disclaimer to the fine-print:
Neoprod
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As long as it runs smoothly I'm happy, is what I'm getting at. I don't need 120fps Ultra or whatever.
Just 1080p Low 45fps at least.
Compared to where you're coming from, the 5500 will be miles ahead regardless of memory config. A second stick of RAM will improve the average and minimum frame rates by 10-20% (something like 160fps to 180fps average at 1080p assuming your settings are placing the load on the CPU).
I'd try even lower than 1080p like 1280x960 or something to make sure the GPU is not the bottleneck. If you go AM4, there's also the option of a second-hand 5700x3d in a few years time that would be another level up.
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Quickly need some advice. Considering getting this to replace my i3 7th gen and 8 GB RAM. Should I go for it? Btw this is within my budget.
Already have 550W PSU and RX 580 4GB.
Edit: https://progenix.co.za/Upgrade-Kits...e-Kit?refine=price[3319,7915],stock_status[7]
Found something at an even better price point. How's this? And what's the general experience with Progenix with you guys?
I wanted to order some stuff from Progenix a while back. What put me off was the extra 4% premium for paying with a credit card, plus an extra amount to add insurance to the shipping. It ended up being cheaper from other dealers...
CheddarByte
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Doesn't everyone do this?
Evetech, wootware, everyone charges more if you don't EFT.
Geewiz, Takealot, Incredible, Every Shop are a small selection of those who do not. Also, at 4% credit card premium, Progenix is higher than some of the shops you listed. Their delivery insurance is also high.
Progenix Oj101
Dealer
When you're doing an 7- to 9-digit figure per month, you can negotiate fees small enough to almost be considered a rounding error.
The downside of dealing with places that size is pre-sales support is nearly non-existent (try asking any of the above if it's better to pair an AM5 system with DDR5-6000 CL30 or DDR5-6800 CL34 and I bet that (of those who actually respond at all) you'll hear 6800 as the most common answer - which is incorrect), nothing is negotiable, and for the most part there's no human interaction (other than someone following a flowchart/script).
Price isn't everything - both our retention rate and growth attest to this
Agent67
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AMD RYZEN 5 3500 A520M-A PRO Upgrade Kit - 16GB 3200MHz
Upgrade your PC with the AMD RYZEN 5 3500 A520M A PRO Upgrade Kit. Featuring 16GB of 3200MHz RAM for exceptional performance in gaming and multitasking. Enhance your system today!
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A lovely price point, but how's the CPU...
Fulcrum29
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AMD RYZEN 5 3500 A520M-A PRO Upgrade Kit - 16GB 3200MHz
Upgrade your PC with the AMD RYZEN 5 3500 A520M A PRO Upgrade Kit. Featuring 16GB of 3200MHz RAM for exceptional performance in gaming and multitasking. Enhance your system today!
A lovely price point, but how's the CPU...
I would call it accessible. It is an older CPU by now, but it does have 6 cores and 6 threads. It does have PCIe 4 support. You will get distance out of it. It's only disadvantage is not having SMT. If I were to buy that bundle, I would at some point replace the CPU with a 5700X3D, and then reuse it for a media PC build or an essentials home lab. Then again, you would need more parts, but that is me.
Paired with a GPU that will get the most use out of the 5 3500, it will be decent for 1080p gaming. If you are going to use that bundle for a home office PC, then it will last you a decade or more.
Agent67
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Got a RX 580 4GB
Fulcrum29
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Then it is perfect, really.
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G.Skill is the better 'bin' when it comes to ram. Especially the Trident Neo/Royal. I chose the Neo RGB CL30 6400mhz (2 x 16Gb) for my gaming pc.
Fulcrum29
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I see people getting some good results with those XPG kits. What I don't see is it being compared to the 'equivalent' G.Skill kit. No user feedback, no reviews, neither anything from sellers.
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Fulcrum29
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Too hard to tell, going by the bottom Reddit post there are some discrepancies, but he is also using the older, but more 'premium', Caster XPG. The Lancer kits are newer, and they have both Samsung and Hynix ICs, but you won't know what you are getting when ordering. You can look this up on their website with the part number decoder IIRC.
Hynix loves AMD, AMD loves Hynix. The person also uses an MSI B650 Tomahawk, which was a board that didn't like all memory. I don't know whether BIOS updates resolved this, but it was a board that contributed to the Zen 4 instability debate.
Here is also a thread on Overclockers:
Granted, that is with Intel.
Comparing the two G.Skill kits:
32GB x 2 (64GB)
F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5NR - Specification - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.
Trident Z5 Neo RGB DDR5-6000 CL30-40-40-96 1.40V 64GB (2x32GB) Intel XMP / AMD EXPO
www.gskill.com
and
16GB x 2 (32GB)
F5-6400J3039G16GX2-TZ5NR - Specification - G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.
Trident Z5 Neo RGB DDR5-6400 CL30-39-39-102 1.40V 32GB (2x16GB) AMD EXPO
www.gskill.com
It is worth noting that the advertised specs are EXPO and not standard. The SPD speed and voltage are set at:
A buyer best have a stable setup. Though I don't think this is an issue any more though I have seen some reviewers having issues with the Gigabyte 800 series boards specced lower than the Master. The RAM is massively overclocked, and I am sure a BIOS revision has already addressed this. Regardless, instabilities are noted, but nowhere close to what it was when AM5 made its debut.
ADATA don't say much about their XPG RAM, the Lancer is simply rated:
https://webapi3.adata.com/storage/downloadfile/datasheet_xpg_lancer_rgb_ddr5_memory_20240930.pdf (PDF)
32GB
They don't add whether this is with XMP or EXPO. Note that they don't advertise the tRAS. I don't know whether this has to do with the IC. tRAS is debatable in any case, since lower isn't always worse, and higher isn't always better. Though we don't live in the 1333 days any more.
I came across this unknown reviewer who does have a comparative test, looking at a synthetic gaming bench:
ADATA XPG LANCER RGB DDR5-6000 C30 Dual-Channel Memory Kit Review - Back2Gaming
We take a look back at the ADATA XPG LANCER DDR5-6000, this time around we have the C30 version of the kit we reviewed at the start of the year. Let's see how it perform in this review!
www.back2gaming.com
I can't say how reliable that bench is, but that is crazy. The system is a 7950X running on a ROG Strix X670-E.
All this said I do have the G.Skill set I have posted. I got it because I knew what IC I would be getting, but I wanted to get the XPG set to do benchmarks though it got sold out within the same window I wanted to purchase it.
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Fulcrum29
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