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[Lupus]

Felt like an idiot.

And now I cant make fun of people on PCMR anymore.

Well, at least I can confirm the 620 will keep your CPU at a nice 45 in W11 desktop with the sticker still on.

I do not recommend booting into BIOS or starting up any games though.

Oh yeah made that mistake with an old Dragon Orb back in 2001.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Back when I still worked in the IT technical department and did back-end servicing, I would stick those heatsink warning stickers to the entrance door to remind the system builders.

Back then I did SuperMicro server builds, and during assembly, while installing the heatsink without securing it, I was issued a immediate call-out. I asked another technician to continue on, but it escaped me to mention that the cooler wasn't actually installed. That caused some disturbances. It was on me, no excuses.

Me, being the wise ass, some liked to rub it in, lol.

 

[wizardofid]

Back when I still worked in the IT technical department and did back-end servicing, I would stick those heatsink warning stickers to the entrance door to remind the system builders.

Back then I did SuperMicro server builds, and during assembly, while installing the heatsink without securing it, I was issued a immediate call-out. I asked another technician to continue on, but it escaped me to mention that the cooler wasn't actually installed. That caused some disturbances. It was on me, no excuses.

Me, being the wise ass, some liked to rub it in, lol.

Never a mistake with the cooler, I have managed to burnout two motherboards back in the early 2000's because I was a dumb ass, went from a full AtX motherboard to mirco ATX board and didn't change the stand offs in the case, and shorted the first board RMA'D and promptly shorted it again after getting the rma'd board back. With my dumb fckery eventually went ahead and got a 3rd board after noticing what I did. R700.00(R350 x2) lesson learned now I triple check that standoffs are at the correct spot.

 

[Lupus]

Never a mistake with the cooler, I have offer managed to burnout two motherboards back in the early 2000's because I was a dumb ass, went from a full AtX motherboard to mirco ATX board and didn't change the stand offs in the case, and shorted the first board RMA'D and promptly shorted it again after getting the rma'd board back. With my dumb fckery eventually went ahead and got a 3rd board after noticing what I did. R700.00(R350 x2) lesson learned now I triple check that standoffs are at the correct spot.

That would be the other way around, going from a Micro ATX to a full ATX would have the stand offs under the motherboard in places it shouldn't be.
Going from Full to Micro would just have maybe 2 standoffs at the bottom not be there.

 

[wizardofid]

That would be the other way around, going from a Micro ATX to a full ATX would have the stand offs under the motherboard in places it shouldn't be.
Going from Full to Micro would just have maybe 2 standoffs at the bottom not be there.

Not if you got from Socket 478 to 775, on 775 matx there is only one stand off and can slightly vary either right on the edge or slightly off the edge

 

[Lupus]

Not if you got from Socket 478 to 775, on 775 matx there is only one stand off and can slightly vary either right on the edge or slightly off the edge


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Wouldn't make sense as it's a standard

Unless the board manufacturer didn't follow the standard
Though I've seen some don't have the second one in the middle, so that might cause an issue.

 

[wizardofid]

Wouldn't make sense as it's a standard

Unless the board manufacturer didn't follow the standard
Though I've seen some don't have the second one in the middle, so that might cause an issue.

Yeah it was a weird period between switching over to pcie from AGP, 24 pin power connector plus 12volt CPU, new PSU ATX standard, especially when socket 775 still had support for old pci and new pcie. Socket 775 was used for nearly 8 years lol.....

Lol still remember modding my north bridge with a new cooler and fan so I can overclock. Had a DFI Nforce lanparty back then with the OG Q6600 and the beast 8800GT at the time.

 

[Lupus]

Yeah it was a weird period between switching over to pcie from AGP, 24 pin power connector plus 12volt CPU, new PSU ATX standard, especially when socket 775 still had support for old pci and new pcie. Socket 775 was used for nearly 8 years lol.....

Lol still remember modding my north bridge with a new cooler and fan so I can overclock. Had a DFI Nforce lanparty back then with the OG Q6600 and the beast 8800GT at the time.

Yeah socket 775 and super socket 775 I mean AM4 has been going for 8 years now as well.
Some new chips got released

 

[wizardofid]

Yeah socket 775 and super socket 775 I mean AM4 has been going for 8 years now as well.
Some new chips got released

Believe it or not I have only ever owned 1 AMD system early 2000's a operton 170, have always been intel, since Intel 80286
386, 486 P1, P2, P3, several P4's, core2duo, core2quad, Core i, second gen, and 3 4th gen's, skipped a whopping 10 generations, with the 14400 now.

Was seriously tempted to go AMD this time, but couldn't pull the trigger on it, had a hard time for a reference point for performance, most of all I was concerned about software stability, while it usually isn't an issue with CPU's there are some outliers that just do better on intel.

I am super excited to see the performance gains now. Have several pain in the ass things to do first like checking the bios version and updating if needed, windows 11 install, offline profile, move firefox over and such.

I have considered doing a clone of the window 10 and installing window 11 on that, but honestly it is less of a pain and better to do a clean install and move files over.

 

[Lupus]

Believe it or not I have only ever owned 1 AMD system early 2000's a operton 170, have always been intel, since Intel 80286
386, 486 P1, P2, P3, several P4's, core2duo, core2quad, Core i, second gen, and 3 4th gen's, skipped a whopping 10 generations, with the 14400 now.

Was seriously tempted to go AMD this time, but couldn't pull the trigger on it, had a hard time for a reference point for performance, most of all I was concerned about software stability, while it usually isn't an issue with CPU's there are some outliers that just do better on intel.

I am super excited to see the performance gains now. Have several pain in the ass things to do first like checking the bios version and updating if needed, windows 11 install, offline profile, move firefox over and such.

I have considered doing a clone of the window 10 and installing window 11 on that, but honestly it is less of a pain and better to do a clean install and move files over.

I've not had an intel Cpu since the 90s. Switched over to AMD K62 in 1999 already.
Never had an issue with stability or compatibility. Yet on my work laptops with Intel I've had some hiccups but mostly with Linux.
I would've steered clear of Intel cause of the issues with the 13th and 14th gen though they say the 14400f should be okay.

 

[wizardofid]

I've not had an intel Cpu since the 90s. Switched over to AMD K62 in 1999 already.
Never had an issue with stability or compatibility. Yet on my work laptops with Intel I've had some hiccups but mostly with Linux.
I would've steered clear of Intel cause of the issues with the 13th and 14th gen though they say the 14400f should be okay.

Yeah I am going to use the default settings in the bios for now. I checked the website there is a bios update from 3 months ago with another micro code update, so it is the first thing I will be doing, once up and running. I do a lot of texture and 3d model rendering, it is the reason I went with more cores as most development apps I use is multi threaded, intel does slightly better on the productivity side of things in some cases. But I am not too bothered with intel issues as I am building the old rig into another case for a back PC and I have warranty.

However I am slightly annoyed, R200 bucks more could have netted me CL 30 ram, instead went with the cheapest ram option which is CL46 5600mhz, but that is for ocing. Running at default 4800mhz I think, should give me slightly lower timings.

 

[Lupus]

Yeah I am going to use the default settings in the bios for now. I checked the website there is a bios update from 3 months ago with another micro code update, so it is the first thing I will be doing, once up and running. I do a lot of texture and 3d model rendering, it is the reason I went with more cores as most development apps I use is multi threaded, intel does slightly better on the productivity side of things in some cases. But I am not too bothered with intel issues as I am building the old rig into another case for a back PC and I have warranty.

However I am slightly annoyed, R200 bucks more could have netted me CL 30 ram, instead went with the cheapest ram option which is CL46 5600mhz, but that is for ocing. Running at default 4800mhz I think, should give me slightly lower timings.

I went for CL40 6000mhz memory but also with RGB, not realising that the cooler covers the RAM so now I've got under cooler lighting .
So far the 9700x offers better low % fps vs the 5700x3d, but overall fps is the same.

 

[wizardofid]

I went for CL40 6000mhz memory but also with RGB, not realising that the cooler covers the RAM so now I've got under cooler lighting .
So far the 9700x offers better low % fps vs the 5700x3d, but overall fps is the same.

I don't care much for RGB lol, this cooler will be the first. BTW did some more reading up on the intel issue. Apparently there is two steppings C0 and B0, the B0 is based on the newer raptor lake, and the C0 on the older 12th gen, more than likely to get a B0 stepping, which would be good as the memory controller and such is better, but bad for the intel issues.

So will have to wait and see what stepping I get. The amd system I had my eye on was the 8400 or 8500 and performance was about on par, with the AMD pulling ahead in gaming of course, was really a toss up between the two.

 

[Lupus]

I don't care much for RGB lol, this cooler will be the first. BTW did some more reading up on the intel issue. Apparently there is two steppings C0 and B0, the B0 is based on the newer raptor lake, and the C0 on the older 12th gen, more than likely to get a B0 stepping, which would be good as the memory controller and such is better, but bad for the intel issues.

So will have to wait and see what stepping I get. The amd system I had my eye on was the 8400 or 8500 and performance was about on par, with the AMD pulling ahead in gaming of course, was really a toss up between the two.

Yeah, they do say the 14400f should be less susceptible to the problem. I meant CL30 not 40 . I am not really familiar with the 8 series on AMD as generally it is mobile models or cut down 9 series.

 

[wizardofid]

Yeah, they do say the 14400f should be less susceptible to the problem. I meant CL30 not 40 . I am not really familiar with the 8 series on AMD as generally it is mobile models or cut down 9 series.

From what I have read it is any 65watt CPU. Did get MSI board and my current board is MSI, as it seems they are the most reliable overall, and not a lot of tom fckery. Use to be gigabyte all the way, but my last socket 1150 board just decided to stop working, it is then when I upgraded to 4th gen and MSI and I am still using that board.

 

[karnuffel]

Im thinking of spending a few zars on my home pc. I mostly use it for slicing stl files to print on my 3d printer and I spend a few hours a week playing WoW.

I have an Intel i5 4690 and a GTX 1060 with an MSI h97 mother board (thats really on its last legs.).

The idea is to get an AMD Ryzen 8600G and maybe later get a new GPU. My hard drives, case PSU should still be fine.

Thoughts?

 

[Gtx Gaming]

Im thinking of spending a few zars on my home pc. I mostly use it for slicing stl files to print on my 3d printer and I spend a few hours a week playing WoW.

I have an Intel i5 4690 and a GTX 1060 with an MSI h97 mother board (thats really on its last legs.).

The idea is to get an AMD Ryzen 8600G and maybe later get a new GPU. My hard drives, case PSU should still be fine.

Thoughts?

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You want go dual channel on amd 6000mhz so try push 2x16gb 6000mhz

 

[Exaelea]

Im thinking of spending a few zars on my home pc. I mostly use it for slicing stl files to print on my 3d printer and I spend a few hours a week playing WoW.

I have an Intel i5 4690 and a GTX 1060 with an MSI h97 mother board (thats really on its last legs.).

The idea is to get an AMD Ryzen 8600G and maybe later get a new GPU. My hard drives, case PSU should still be fine.

Thoughts?

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Use the old gfx card and get a non-G variant of the cpu, 7000/9000 series. The G units have low L3 cache which you will notice (stuttering) in games once you get a new gfx card down the line.

 

[wizardofid]

Im thinking of spending a few zars on my home pc. I mostly use it for slicing stl files to print on my 3d printer and I spend a few hours a week playing WoW.

I have an Intel i5 4690 and a GTX 1060 with an MSI h97 mother board (thats really on its last legs.).

The idea is to get an AMD Ryzen 8600G and maybe later get a new GPU. My hard drives, case PSU should still be fine.

Thoughts?

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As a lot of people will tell you, you don't ever run AMD on single channel you better off getting two 8gig sticks. Would pay 7 bucks more and get the 7600 it is faster than the 8600.

 

[karnuffel]

You want go dual channel on amd 6000mhz so try push 2x16gb 6000mhz

Thanks! this is exactly the type of advice I was after.