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Scary_Turtle said:
I get the first part but you wouldn't be burning a hole in your pocket at 4k a year you would be spreading the burden instead of dropping 20k every 5 years.

I dunno people have been saying the same thing since 2016 the market will stabilize and it hasn't. I see AMD was chatting about the 2nm chip which will again cause a chip shortages. Also both AMD and Nvidia are doing slow releases to push up prices
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It hasn't because A:Covid, the mining boom, and AI and now tariffs, believe it not the shortages from covid still hasn't recovered 100%, there is still pricing and supply chain issues. There are a lot less secondhand cards on the market, and geopolitical issues hasn't made it easier. Plus nvidia use to produce older generation GPU's along with the current gen even after the current gen to some extent AMD as well.

With the chips, supply chain, and component shortages, there really wasn't "surplus" stock on hand like there used to be. GPU shortages in the secondhand market is on going. So yeah it isn't as straight forward and simple.

As I said before some miners, couldn't be bothered with selling their GPU's, and millions of secondhand GPU's either ended up in land fills, or scrapped for precious metals and components.

The other problem with the price increases of recent generations, ironically consumers aren't buying new GPU's either, as much as 57% of gamers were prevented from buying a new GPU due to pricing and scalping, even companies building prebuilds have been at the receiving end of scalping.

I don't know if you have seen, but even in SA pretty much everything is in short supply. Good luck with getting a full selection of mid-range CPU's from both AMD and intel they are also frequently out of stock as well.

As long as there geopolitical trade war tomfckery going on, the longer it will take to recover.

It has only been recently that GPU's have hit their targeted MSRP or below prices and will take a while to filter down to the secondhand market. Right now effectively you can name your price. But it won't last forever.

Seriously daft idea to buy every new generation of GPU, while AMD doesn't strictly follow tick tock cycle the uplift in performance over previous generations is nothing to write home about, there are some exceptions. There is already rumours that AMD is planning a refresh of the RDNA 4 to counter nvidia's supers.


Don't count on pricing to stay artificially high like now, it could plummet overnight. Treating tech as an investment like you would buy a car, is risky and daft, it will come and bite you in the ass when you least expect it
Scary_Turtle said:
At this stage I bought the 9070xt for 16k and will sell it easy at 13k-14k and you would have got a massive increase from fsr3 to fsr4. If fsr Redstone is the same jump paying 4k may be worth it.

Going to see how the market and tech holds out going into next year and make up my mind then.
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wizardofid said:
It hasn't because A:Covid, the mining boom, and AI and now tariffs, believe it not the shortages from covid still hasn't recovered 100%, there is still pricing and supply chain issues. There are a lot less secondhand cards on the market, and geopolitical issues hasn't made it easier. Plus nvidia use to produce older generation GPU's along with the current gen even after the current gen to some extent AMD as well.

With the chips, supply chain, and component shortages, there really wasn't "surplus" stock on hand like there used to be. GPU shortages in the secondhand market is on going. So yeah it isn't as straight forward and simple.

As I said before some miners, couldn't be bothered with selling their GPU's, and millions of secondhand GPU's either ended up in land fills, or scrapped for precious metals and components.

The other problem with the price increases of recent generations, ironically consumers aren't buying new GPU's either, as much as 57% of gamers were prevented from buying a new GPU due to pricing and scalping, even companies building prebuilds have been at the receiving end of scalping.

I don't know if you have seen, but even in SA pretty much everything is in short supply. Good luck with getting a full selection of mid-range CPU's from both AMD and intel they are also frequently out of stock as well.

As long as there geopolitical trade war tomfckery going on, the longer it will take to recover.

It has only been recently that GPU's have hit their targeted MSRP or below prices and will take a while to filter down to the secondhand market. Right now effectively you can name your price. But it won't last forever.

Seriously daft idea to buy every new generation of GPU, while AMD doesn't strictly follow tick tock cycle the uplift in performance over previous generations is nothing to write home about, there are some exceptions. There is already rumours that AMD is planning a refresh of the RDNA 4 to counter nvidia's supers.


Don't count on pricing to stay artificially high like now, it could plummet overnight. Treating tech as an investment like you would buy a car, is risky and daft, it will come and bite you in the ass when you least expect it
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All this may be true and it would take 2-4 years to become a reality but having the latest and greatest for the next 4 years at 4k a year for me is a no brainer.

After 4 years if the price of 2nd hand cards has dropped to 50% of the value straight out of the box I am still set for 4-5 years after that with the new card. This will cost me +/- 16k for 9 years of gaming.

I dont understand why miners would not be able to sell their cards a 1080ti still goes for 3k. When I sold mine earlier this year I had 5 offers after 2 hours, the next day I had the cash and they had the card.

Also msrp in South Africa is not a thing, if msrp is 600 dollars that is 10k in SA. We will pay 16k+ new from a retailer.

Not treating it like an investment rather a depreciating asset. Not going to buy the equivalent of a 5070 to 5070 super but would do a 5070 to 6070 for instance.
 
Covid was crazy I bought a Palit GeForce RTX 3060 StormX 12GB OC for R 11 500 in April after waiting for 2 months as no one had stock, 4 months later it was around R 8/9k but atleast I did mine some ETH so made R4-5k back.
 
Scary_Turtle said:
All this may be true and it would take 2-4 years to become a reality but having the latest and greatest for the next 4 years at 4k a year for me is a no brainer.

After 4 years if the price of 2nd hand cards has dropped to 50% of the value straight out of the box I am still set for 4-5 years after that with the new card. This will cost me +/- 16k for 9 years of gaming.

I dont understand why miners would not be able to sell their cards a 1080ti still goes for 3k. When I sold mine earlier this year I had 5 offers after 2 hours, the next day I had the cash and they had the card.
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Many didn't sell, due to the effort and value too low to sell the cards. In the heyday of mining, it was literally rows on rows of mining rigs. For smaller miners, selling 10 - 20 cards was easier. Additionally, consumers were hesitant to buy. You also don' quite understand., you will be paying more and more for GPUs in future in the form of die shrinkage tax. A 10k current generation card won't cost the same in 4 years, it is likely to go up 100$ or more because of it. You are bargaining on a stable secondhand market, and no you won't be getting that amount in 4 years. You are overestimating what you can sell it for again, especially in 4 years.

3 year old 3080s are selling for around 8.5ish K

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The current price is 15k new, it is pretty much EOL stock, however the launch price was between 20 and 25k.
Pending the card, 8k is actually well below the 50% pending which card you got

3090's for R14 ish k

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a card at launch sold for between 39k and 45k
Same applies here.

You will be taking a much bigger hit

The 5060ti, is pretty close to the RTX 3080 in performance. You can have the RTX 5060ti for slightly more than the current 3080 secondhand. There in lies the problem, 3080 at 8k secondhand with no warranty, is terrible value. The actual value is closer to 5k, that is the actual price it should be selling for in perfect conditions.

Unlike CPUs. GPU's generally have about on average a 20%-50% percent performance increase every second to 3rd generation, this increase does vary from time to time. More often than not, XX60 series cards match or beat XX80 series cards with in 2-3 generations.

Secondhand cards are highly overvalued currently. Selling a GTX 1080 for 3k, is absurdly overvalued, people that know their hardware wouldn't buy it. It values lies closer to the 1.8 -2k range and have seen a few selling for between 2 and 2.5k range in the last 3 months.

But whatever, good luck with whatever you do.


Scary_Turtle said:
Also msrp in South Africa is not a thing, if msrp is 600 dollars that is 10k in SA. We will pay 16k+ new from a retailer.
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We do have MSRP in SA, many retailers are taking the piss and blaming import duties and transport as an excuse to rip off consumers.We have been on the receiving end of greed for forever. Wootware for example have many of their components matching US retail or MSRP.

It also depends on whether there is a local presence of the brand, some also select local distributors as authorised dealers, which comes with service agreements and may include fixed pricing and such.

The plain 9070 @Lupus recently got is pretty much MSRP, and even reflects the recent 100$ discount it got. My Intel 14400f when I got it in August was pretty much in par with us pricing when it dipped below the $200 mark, it has since gone up with R400.00 since on wootware as the US price increased, however it is still R200 below the average US price.

Some retailers are big enough to directly import hardware, skipping the distributor mark up, some retailers have a limited selection of distributors.

We do have MSRP, but it is more about whether retailers and distributors abide by it and still make profit from it.

In other news. Wootware's supplier got back to them in regard to the monitor specs, I was indeed correct with the information being incorrect. 1.5k for a 144hz, 5ms, is pretty much a steal.
 
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L-Dog said:
Covid was crazy I bought a Palit GeForce RTX 3060 StormX 12GB OC for R 11 500 in April after waiting for 2 months as no one had stock, 4 months later it was around R 8/9k but atleast I did mine some ETH so made R4-5k back.
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I managed to sell an RX580 and a 1660ti for more than I originally paid for them during COVID, cause pricing. I didn't mean to scalp them but people snapped them up.
 
11 years ago today, I bought this. It cost me R5000 (About R7300 in today's money). But a 70 series card I bought now cost me almost 16K lol.

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Lupus said:
I managed to sell an RX580 and a 1660ti for more than I originally paid for them during COVID, cause pricing. I didn't mean to scalp them but people snapped them up.
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Didn't have much choice this hurt like a beatch, the ti's and supers were even more, 2060's were 9-10k. I did sell my old RX460 for R1.8k, at least made some money back. This was during the height of covid....

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Jer1cho said:
11 years ago today, I bought this. It cost me R5000 (About R7300 in today's money). But a 70 series card I bought now cost me almost 16K lol.

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Yup pricing has gone up on GPUs, back in the day I would pick up GPUs for a couple of grand, think my most expensive one was a Radeon HD6870 in 2010/2011 for R2300, hell even my 1660ti in 2019 was R4700, I built the following for the same price I bought my 9070 for.
Ryzen 2060, gigabyte B450 aorus board, 1660ti, 500gb wd ssd, 256gb ssd, 16gb 3200mhz trident memory, 550w corsair power supply, plus a case. For the same price I paid for my GPU in 2025.
 
wizardofid said:
Didn't have much choice this hurt like a beatch, the ti's and supers were even more, 2060's were 9-10k. I did sell my old RX460 for R1.8k, at least made some money back. This was during the height of covid....

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Yeah I had literally just bought a 1660ti in 2019 for R4700 and pretty much sold it for a bit over that in 2020. The RX580 in 2019 I paid R1400 for, sold it for almost twice that.
 
Lupus said:
Yeah I had literally just bought a 1660ti in 2019 for R4700 and pretty much sold it for a bit over that in 2020. The RX580 in 2019 I paid R1400 for, sold it for almost twice that.
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Almost 6 years later and prices is still fcked, honestly I can't complain about the 1660, it is a weird little card, but even now it is still a beast, it won't run the latest and greatest, but my current games butter smooth. I can hold out another year on it, can then hopefully pick up a 4060 at a decent price on carb. Then just play musical chairs with the 1660 and place that in the back up rig and keep the 470 as a spare., the RX470 is also pretty good card, rx570 barely has the edge on it, and people want 500 more for the 570 WTAF......
 
July 2006 prices, simpler times
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Add 14% for VAT of course. I had the 7600gt, just upgraded from the 6600gt, at first didn't real feel much different. Plus picked up this monitor
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What a freaking waste in 2006, LCDs sucked
 
PhireSide said:
I had this exact same card, upgraded from my EVGA GTX570 HD.

Whisper quiet, but mine had pretty bad coil whine :(
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Such a bizarre design lol. Needless to say it never caught on. Was cool that you could at least take the fans out to clean. I didn't own that many, but I remember em all

7900GT
8800GTS
9800GTX+
GTX460
GTX560Ti x 2 in Sli
GTX970
GTX1080
RTX5070Ti

Atl least PC gaming is much much better now. Those 2004-2014 years was a mess! This gen I almost got the 9070XT, Never owned an ATI or now AMD card
 
Jer1cho said:
Such a bizarre design lol. Needless to say it never caught on. Was cool that you could at least take the fans out to clean. I didn't own that many, but I remember em all

7900GT
8800GTS
9800GTX+
GTX460
GTX560Ti x 2 in Sli
GTX970
GTX1080
RTX5070Ti

Atl least PC gaming is much much better now. Those 2004-2014 years was a mess! This gen I almost got the 9070XT, Never owned an ATI or now AMD card
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Nice cards that you have had over the years. Clearly an nVidia fan huh :p

Thinking back to mine:

S3 Virge 4MB
nVidia FX5500 256MB
nVidia 5700LE (overclocked and summarily killed it when the fan seized while playing Call of Juarez)
nVidia 6600 256MB AGP (unlocked extra pixel pipelines to equal the 6600GT using Rivatuner)
nVidia 8800GTX 768MB
nVidia 8600M GT 512MB (in a Toshiba S205-S9349 laptop)
nVidia GTX 570 HD 1280MB
nVidia GTX 970 '4'GB
nVidia GTX 1070 8GB
AMD Ryzen 2200G APU
And my current card, an RX 6700 XT 12GB
 
PhireSide said:
Nice cards that you have had over the years. Clearly an nVidia fan huh :p

Thinking back to mine:

S3 Virge 4MB
nVidia FX5500 256MB
nVidia 5700LE (overclocked and summarily killed it when the fan seized while playing Call of Juarez)
nVidia 6600 256MB AGP (unlocked extra pixel pipelines to equal the 6600GT using Rivatuner)
nVidia 8800GTX 768MB
nVidia 8600M GT 512MB (in a Toshiba S205-S9349 laptop)
nVidia GTX 570 HD 1280MB
nVidia GTX 970 '4'GB
nVidia GTX 1070 8GB
AMD Ryzen 2200G APU
And my current card, an RX 6700 XT 12GB
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What happened in that transition haha.
 
Jer1cho said:
What happened in that transition haha.
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Sold the PC as I didn't have the lus for games for a while. I had a little PC built up for home cinema/casual gaming duties, and then had a PS4 and PS5 in between.

Oh, that reminds me, I also had an Optiplex 5090 with an RTX A2000 6GB and an MSI Claw which would have slotted in between the PS5 and the current PC that I have.
 
PhireSide said:
Sold the PC as I didn't have the lus for games for a while. I had a little PC built up for home cinema/casual gaming duties, and then had a PS4 and PS5 in between.

Oh, that reminds me, I also had an Optiplex 5090 with an RTX A2000 6GB and an MSI Claw which would have slotted in between the PS5 and the current PC that I have.
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My Ps5 is a paperweight at the moment. The insane game prices. Paying for online. Its basically just there for when GTA6 comes out else I would flog it. Owned all the Playstations over the years.
 
Jer1cho said:
My Ps5 is a paperweight at the moment. The insane game prices. Paying for online. Its basically just there for when GTA6 comes out else I would flog it. Owned all the Playstations over the years.
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Yeah, sad state of affairs what the console platforms are turning into.

I'm a patient gamer, so I can wait for the releases to drop on PC in xyz months or years. I have a huge backlog to get through anyway :)
 
Jer1cho said:
Such a bizarre design lol. Needless to say it never caught on. Was cool that you could at least take the fans out to clean. I didn't own that many, but I remember em all

7900GT
8800GTS
9800GTX+
GTX460
GTX560Ti x 2 in Sli
GTX970
GTX1080
RTX5070Ti

Atl least PC gaming is much much better now. Those 2004-2014 years was a mess! This gen I almost got the 9070XT, Never owned an ATI or now AMD card
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My GPU
Sis 6352
Savage 3D
Riva TNT 2
MX 420
MX 440
FX 5200 (A lot of FX gpu's as I switched over from AGP to PCIe)
FX 5700 Le
FX 5800 Le
6600GT
7800GS
8600GT (still have this card)
8800GT
9400GT
9600GT
GTX 210
GTX240
570GTX (still have this card)
(Skipped the next 5 gens for AMD)
GTX 1660


AMD
Radeon 8500
Radeon X300 SE
Radeon X1950 GT
Radeon HD 2400
Radeon HD 4670
Radeon HD 5870
Radeon HD 6850
Radeon HD 6870
Radeon HD 7770
RX460
RX470

CPUs
Intel 286 and 386( had a bunch of them in the late 90's to mess about with)
Pentium MMX
Pentium 1
Pentium II (A bunch of these use to build them up and resell)
Pentium III
Duron some or other can't remember exactly think it was a Duron 800
Pentium 4 (pretty much every one in old socket 478 and LGA 775, Willamette, Northwood, Prescott, 64 bit variants)
Still have my Compaq Pentium 4 laptop, I personally rebuild from the ground up
Pentium D
Q6600
Q9400
AMD Opteron 170 for awhile
i5 2500k (used this for 5-6 years.
Some or other AMD dual core laptop
Some or other intel core2 laptop
i3 gen 2 laptop ( still have that)
i5 4590 (used this for about 4 years)
i5 4770K (used this up to august of this year)
i5 14400f (latest intel conquest)


I have owned maybe three or so AMD systems in my entire life. A bunch of Pentium 4 systems. The Pentium 4 series lasted from 2000 to 2007, so had them all, both in socket 478 and later LGA 775. Still have a fully working Pentium 4 HP Compaq, with original screen and mouse and keyboard.

Still have a working 21 inch CRT, monitor. As of late there seems to be some resurgence of the monitor for retro builds. With new in box top of line screens going as much as 13 grand. Should be able to get a pretty penny, with the right buyer, it was one of the fancier ones with 75hz displays.

As a side business, I used to buy and sell refurb, pentium 1 and 2 back in the 1990's. That allowed me to buy my first Pentium 4 system.

Lol well versed in PC hardware, it is only the last 9 generations of intel that I skipped as I had no reason to upgrade.
 
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