Nice article on Android vs iOS / Open vs Closed

Does the author really not know why people hate Apple? Its because of their silly and unfair law suites which are just poor business tactics and not classy at all.

Even Apple fans are disliking what Apple became. Many moons ago they were an innovative technology company, now only their lawyers are innovative.

WRT the statement that Android was inspired by iOS, that may be true, but Android has since exceeded Apple as the most innovative and loved mobile OS. Apple is just playing catch up and think they can be associated with the market leader by being involved in law suites with them
 
"Closed is great."

Really? REALLY? So he WANTS manufacturers to tell you what you can and cannot do to your own computer?
 
MyLowBandwidth said:
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The author is talking in the past. This is a terrible justification to use, like saying "Ford mass produced cars first, without him we would not be driving Toyotas, hence you must drive a Ford!" ...see what i did there? That is what the article is doing. He's saying "closed is good" because Apple took over the market. Now Apple got competition and they are starting to move faster than Apple, they are no longer "catching up" , they are right here.

So to now say, because Apple "was first" and due to their initial design (without any competition in the market) that this is why everyone should use Apple devices is as absurd as telling me to drive a Ford. It does not matter who was first and what worked for Apple, it is what WILL work going forward. Android being open, means innovation can come from multiple parties and much faster, and this is what is going to ultimately turn Apple into RIM if they don't watch out.

Do i even need to remind you what happened to RIM , who also had a "closed system" ? Their model wasn't that much different from Apple's , they made the phones, they made the software. They stopped innovating because they had no competition, they literally sat back and did nothing and brought out the same "minor upgraded" phones every year.....
 
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Apple fans (like this author) like to think the creation of the smart "app" phone was a Big Bang event that started with iOS and the iPhone and over time expanded to create other ecosystems like Aondroid etc. This Big Bang for them came from an empty vacuum. Reality distortion at work. Reality is that the work of others before this "Big Bang" inspired Jobs/Ives/Apple and Apple transformed these into successful products. Apple obviously deserves credit for this feat, but it is ridiculous to talk about a creation event with nothing before it that inspired Apple. Apple inspired others and so the evolution of technology works. Apple now wants to stop the evolution process with their ill considered litigation processes. Inspitarion leads to innovation and innovation inspires others ... and so the evolution process continues.

As for open vs closed ... each has its strengths and weaknesses. I use both to gain the strengths from each and cancel out the weaknesses of each system. If however I had to choose only one ecosystwm I will always go for what is open so that I have maximum freedom. Freedom to do things my way comes before safety.
 
A bit over the top. For example, Apple does not give you system updates "forever". About 4 major updates, which is around twice the expected lifespan of a given device. The first-gen iPhone does not run iOS 6 today. But yes, they are timely.

But to answer @stricken, yes, Apple tells us when we'll be able to get the next version of iOS. Whereas you are told the same thing by Google. Then you have to wait and see if your handset manufacturer will bother to add their proprietary interface overlay. THEN you wait to see if your carrier will make an OTA upgrade for your handset available. So instead of one corporate entity telling you what you may do with your computer, you have three. Been there, done that. But wait! You can install this unofficial, hacked version from god-only-knows-where with all sorts of interesting possibilities of backdoors and malware in it.

This is better? OK, if you say so.
 
First off, it's not really an article, it's a blog post.
Second, it's written by an Apple fan and it reflects his personal view... A view I happen to share in most part.
Third, the writer concludes: "Be happy with your choice, I know I'm happy with mine.", a state of play few Android fans here seem comfortable with.
Fourth, for all the pointing at "previous art", do you really, really... really think the iPhone didn't change everything in '07 (c'mon, how many of you were still on Symbian at the time?).
Fifth, once you embrace an ecosystem be it Android, IOS, WP, whatever, how are you not locked into it? Yeah, you can choose a different OEM to access the OS, but I think you'll find that the Samsung folk will stick to Samsung when they start paying for apps and buying peripherals for their S or Tab, same for the HTC boys, the LG boys, the Motorola boys, the Windows Phone boys and Apple boys. The walls are there, you just have palisades.
Sixth, very few Android fan responses to this thread will let any of this go and there will be blood, so, as an Apple fan I'll be off now to eat babies, rape nuns, mutilate puppies... I dunno, whatever you guys think us "evil" Apple fans do in our spare time.

PS. I'm actually off to read about Apple AND Google making a joint bit on Kodak's patents... Who'da thought?
 
diabolus said:
The author is talking in the past. This is a terrible justification to use, like saying "Ford mass produced cars first, without him we would not be driving Toyotas, hence you must drive a Ford!" ...see what i did there? That is what the article is doing. He's saying "closed is good" because Apple took over the market. Now Apple got competition and they are starting to move faster than Apple, they are no longer "catching up" , they are right here.

So to now say, because Apple "was first" and due to their initial design (without any competition in the market) that this is why everyone should use Apple devices is as absurd as telling me to drive a Ford. It does not matter who was first and what worked for Apple, it is what WILL work going forward. Android being open, means innovation can come from multiple parties and much faster, and this is what is going to ultimately turn Apple into RIM if they don't watch out.

Do i even need to remind you what happened to RIM , who also had a "closed system" ? Their model wasn't that much different from Apple's , they made the phones, they made the software. They stopped innovating because they had no competition, they literally sat back and did nothing and brought out the same "minor upgraded" phones every year.....
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Wow. No. Not what the author is trying to convey. Not at all.

If you want to use a car as an analogy then I think it would be fair to say that at the time of the launch of this iCar back in 2007, all cars had square wheels. the new iCar was launched with round wheels. It offered its passengers a smoother ride and better all round performance. Users (drivers) could do a lot more with this new iCar.

I think thats a slightly better analogy and one that I doubt few could really argue. This is exactly what the iPhone offered the market in 2007. Every other phone on the market was utter crap. Samsung was mostly to blame for that crap. Trust me, I had one. (It was that fancy new "slide" phone that was launced with such media hype in 2006. Man, it was a terrible phone. I think it lasted about 2 months when it broke and I had to use my father in laws old nokia E66 or something. '

In fairness, the author has never made a statement that Apple invented mass production of the mobile phone. What apple did was to redefine the user experience of the mobile phone to bring something new to the market that would be seen as a paradigm shift in the way people interface with their phones and to create a device that would become an integral part of someones life. I know I could not survive without my iPhone today. Jobs was right.

Remember that marketing pitch Jobs presented. He sold the phone as 3 devices in one. A phone. A music player. A communications tool.

In fairness, was their anything else on the market at the time that offered these 3 disparate devices wrapped into one device as well as the iPhone did? If you can name one, I'll apologize for not being as smart as you are.

Secondly. Your argument about open vs closed. Nah. I'm not buiying your view. It s weak argument at best.

Major gripe area 1 - App Store vs Android marketplace

Any android user will admit that the quality of android market compared to the quality of the app store are worlds apart. For me, this is the difference between open and closed. It about control. With control your can ensure quality. Without control, you can't. In an open development framework, who defines development standards? Sure there is broad definition, but the second aspect to defined standards is the enforcement of the standard.

Apples development framework is brilliant. Its painfully petty at times, but I for one would rather go with quality than quantity. 10 billion crap (free) android apps are way less enticing for me than to buy one overpriced app that will deliver EXACTLY what I want it to deliver.

Major Gripe Area 2 - iOS's closed'ness vs Android's openess (well as open as Google wants it to be)

The one thing I appreciate about Apples closed iOS is that Apple gets to decide what it can and can't chnage. Apple has never gone around blowing its trumpet about being "open" and then when it decides to tighten things up a bit (to gain a bit more control, as google does from time to time, refer Alibaba OS and Acer as a recent example.

If apple makes a massive error in judgement about something, like its maps app, you blame Apple. If something goes belly up in Android? Is it Googles fault? Samsung? HTC?

I like being able to blame Apple for EVERYTHING. More importantly, Apple takes responsibility for everything. Thats the beauty of closed.

I could go on and on and on. But I won't. Gotta do some work.
 
greg0205 said:
First off, it's not really an article, it's a blog post.
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Sorry. My mistake.

greg0205 said:
Third, the writer concludes: "Be happy with your choice, I know I'm happy with mine.", a state of play few Android fans here seem comfortable with.
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I agree 100% Each to their own, man!


greg0205 said:
Fourth, for all the pointing at "previous art", do you really, really... really think the iPhone didn't change everything in '07 (c'mon, how many of you were still on Symbian at the time?).
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I was 8(

greg0205 said:
Sixth, very few Android fan responses to this thread will let any of this go and there will be blood, so, as an Apple fan I'll be off now to eat babies, rape nuns, mutilate puppies... I dunno, whatever you guys think us "evil" Apple fans do in our spare time.
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I believe that dude in the US that shot the kids recently had an iPhone 5. Go figure, huh.
 
clasqm said:
A bit over the top. For example, Apple does not give you system updates "forever". About 4 major updates, which is around twice the expected lifespan of a given device. The first-gen iPhone does not run iOS 6 today. But yes, they are timely.

But to answer @stricken, yes, Apple tells us when we'll be able to get the next version of iOS. Whereas you are told the same thing by Google. Then you have to wait and see if your handset manufacturer will bother to add their proprietary interface overlay. THEN you wait to see if your carrier will make an OTA upgrade for your handset available. So instead of one corporate entity telling you what you may do with your computer, you have three. Been there, done that. But wait! You can install this unofficial, hacked version from god-only-knows-where with all sorts of interesting possibilities of backdoors and malware in it.

This is better? OK, if you say so.
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Well its open. More open than iOS. I... guess? Until you decide you want to use Skyhook and Google says you can't. Then its not so open anymore. I'm not sure if I still understand who is more open. iOS or Android. How 'bout you? Apples never really told me I can't use a certain app to ensure everyone only uses theirs. Maps is a good example of this. Cook punted Google! Who would have thought!

Jobs would have done his nut!
 
1st Apple wasn't 1st with the tech, they where the first to bring it to the masses as affordable. <--- HUGE difference
2nd The 1st generation iPhones did not have apps never mind some plain features(3G, copy&paste....) that normal phones of the day used. Back then app stores was not something new either, Nokia had a well established app store for its Symbian phones, hell even Windows Mobile had one. Its the people that demanded the same functionality from Apple, not Apple inventing it as some new wonder called an app store.

Its funny how people keep on forgetting about the little things. :)
 
Pakka said:
Does the author really not know why people hate Apple? Its because of their silly and unfair law suites which are just poor business tactics and not classy at all.
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Nonsense.

People hated Apple long before the recent lawsuit dramas, purely because it was the "cool thing to do".


Personally I think people always just tend to hate what they don't understand, which was generally the case for Apple in a great many things in the past.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Nonsense.

People hated Apple long before the recent lawsuit dramas, purely because it was the "cool thing to do".
Personally I think people always just tend to hate what they don't understand, which was generally the case for Apple in a great many things in the past.
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Beep.... Wrong.

I think its mostly because they love the device and want one, but certain limitations(closed choices) make it that they can not get one. I would not go so far as to say they hate Apple as they hate some of their decisions, lately that hate has moved towards the company because of the lawsuits.

Simply put my problem was with applications that can not access the same files without going via a "cloud" medium be it Dropbox or iCloud. Now instead of fixing this (Listening to the people) they attack others that gave me that option. So in a sense they attacking my choice. <-- or that is how it "feels" like.
 
I can understand hating Apple. They're not a very nice company at all. Steve Jobs didn't endear himself to anyone. They never bent over to make themselves likable. They're a litigious, hugely greedy, expensive, proprietorial, secluded, monolithic megacorporation. Unlike Google, I guess... But what I don't get is how people honestly think they aren't innovative.
 
I personally think the "company" behind any product is pretty much irrelevant if the product is good.

People just have way too much emotional attachment to these things.
 
AlphaJohn said:
Beep.... Wrong.

I think its mostly because they love the device and want one, but certain limitations(closed choices) make it that they can not get one. I would not go so far as to say they hate Apple as they hate some of their decisions, lately that hate has moved towards the company because of the lawsuits.

Simply put my problem was with applications that can not access the same files without going via a "cloud" medium be it Dropbox or iCloud. Now instead of fixing this (Listening to the people) they attack others that gave me that option. So in a sense they attacking my choice. <-- or that is how it "feels" like.
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Personally I find going "all Apple" was the best decision I ever made.

There's no need to be "open" if all your devices already talk to each other.

If anything throwing an Android (or Windows) device anywhere in the middle would completely break my workflow right now.


Sure that's exactly what Apple wanted, but it works bloody well so I'm not complaining.
 
SauRoNZA said:
I personally think the "company" behind any product is pretty much irrelevant if the product is good.

People just have way too much emotional attachment to these things.
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In most cases, that's true. I can switch from an Nvidia graphics to an AMD graphics card and still play my games. I can switch from a Toyota to a Mercedes-Benz and still be able to drive.

I can switch from an iPhone to a Galaxy S3 and still phone... but I cant use my iTunes collection. And if I want to switch the other way, from Samsung to iPhone, I cant use my Amazon content either.

So unfortunately, these things are more than just products, they are also ecosystems, whether you like it or not.

Now the iPhone is an outstanding product. It may even be better than any single Android phone. However, I would still never buy one, because of the ecosystem.
 
Ancalagon said:
In most cases, that's true. I can switch from an Nvidia graphics to an AMD graphics card and still play my games. I can switch from a Toyota to a Mercedes-Benz and still be able to drive.

I can switch from an iPhone to a Galaxy S3 and still phone... but I cant use my iTunes collection. And if I want to switch the other way, from Samsung to iPhone, I cant use my Amazon content either.

So unfortunately, these things are more than just products, they are also ecosystems, whether you like it or not.

Now the iPhone is an outstanding product. It may even be better than any single Android phone. However, I would still never buy one, because of the ecosystem.
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So...how else do you plan on building an 'open' collection? Aren't you still tied to Google Play or Amazon (not following how you can't use Amazon content on Android AND iOS btw, that makes no sense at all. Amazon is Amazon). You're just choosing where you want to lock yourself into.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Personally I find going "all Apple" was the best decision I ever made.
There's no need to be "open" if all your devices already talk to each other.
If anything throwing an Android (or Windows) device anywhere in the middle would completely break my workflow right now.
Sure that's exactly what Apple wanted, but it works bloody well so I'm not complaining.
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Going all Apple would still not have helped with my pet peave, I am talking about applications sharing data not devices. Each app having its own "file store" prevent you from doing simple things like zipping up multiple pics from different applications (Snapseed + camera + Photoshop Toch) and a document and sending them together, or attaching supporting documents to a Powerpoint presentation before you give out a copy after a meeting, you know small things.

Oh and I have devices on both eco systems and there are ways to get them to mix with no issues like Using My Sync Center to use the same media library so I have no qualms with devices from apposing ecosystems(Well bar some apps that you have to Buy twice)
 
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