Nikon vs Canon: Which do you prefer?

[Foxhound5366]

I'd say that anything that can be tweaked/simulated/undone in photoshop should be removed as a differentiator between cameras.
You can't photoshop a crappy lens better. Or a pic that's not in focus properly.

I'd argue that to the contrary, Sinbad, it is a differentiator for a lot of photographers who aren't necessarily going to bang every photo they take into Photoshop (and I'll happily admit that I form part of that group), or those who don't even have Photoshop or know how to edit (which is an increasing number of people as DSLRs become more accessible).

If we agree that Nikon and Canon DO have different traits between their colour handling and the resulting .jpg images, then that's a factor people need to consider as well if they're choosing between the two camera systems (which was the whole point of this thread before it took a 'attack Foxhound' detour). If it turns out they're unhappy with the default behaviour of their chosen system, they'll need to be prepared to some editing on each and every photo they take.

 

[Sinbad]

I'd argue that to the contrary, Sinbad, it is a differentiator for a lot of photographers who aren't necessarily going to bang every photo they take into Photoshop (and I'll happily admit that I form part of that group), or those who don't even have Photoshop or know how to edit (which is an increasing number of people as DSLRs become more accessible).

If we agree that Nikon and Canon DO have different traits between their colour handling and the resulting .jpg images, then that's a factor people need to consider as well if they're choosing between the two camera systems (which was the whole point of this thread before it took a 'attack Foxhound' detour). If it turns out they're unhappy with the default behaviour of their chosen system, they'll need to be prepared to some editing on each and every photo they take.

You can argue but you'd be wrong

 

[Foxhound5366]

No, I was not. We all moved away from little mountain.
Nikon shooters, do you have image profile settings where you can set up WB, color profile, sharpening rules? I'm guessing you do.

We are talking about SOOC jpg, no raw file, no PS.
Full manual, your camera suggests day wb and you say I want warmer shade one.
It suggests metering parameters and you select manual with your own one.

Never really bothered with that since I was in University and messing around with white balance in the photo studio. Now I'm happy to admit I just stick with the default white balance selected by the camera and go for 'partial' metering which I fix to a specific point in the scene.

 

[Sinbad]

And if you REALLY want to, on the Canon I've got you can customise your profiles for colour tone and saturation

 

[Foxhound5366]

You can argue but you'd be wrong

Oh, so you disagree even on this? My bad, somebody else said they did agree there was a difference but just didn't feel it was reflecting in my photo.

Have you had a look at the side-by-side photos of the same scenes in the photos shot on a Canon and a Nikon in the Youtube video I shared in my OP (complete with its blind A/B test you can take yourself), and you're still convinced there isn't any repeating difference between the two camera systems?

 

[TehStranger]

Canons would never output that specific shade of yellow. I say this having taken countless thousands of photos on Canon DSLRs under all lighting conditions.

Well thanks for that aleksandar, for the record I don't use the 'dummy' modes, I try be a good boy and stick to Manual or Aperture Priority if I'm feeling lazy. I'm guessing those wouldn't have unique colour profiles like you're referring to?

Need a few thousand more shots to undertand the difference between metering modes and colour profiles.

Ok insults over. There are clearly many knowledgeable members in this thread, rather than arguing with them or trying to pretend you have more knowledge than you do, perhaps come in here with an open mind and learn a few things. In fact maybe start a thread with the specific aim of asking questions and gaining valueable feedback from members with more experience?

Image profiles are not linked to metering modes at all but to jpg creation, those are two distinct steps that influence created SOOC jpg.

So I would look at the scene and say well I would like to warm it up and set wb to shade.
Then whip out my light meter to take correct exposure parameters and manually set up my camera, then take a shot.

Nothing dummy about that.

Thanks for having more patience with Foxhound than the rest of us, if he ever starts the thread I suggested please do share your knowledge to help him (and the rest of us, always more to learn).

 

[Sinbad]

Oh, so you disagree even on this? My bad, somebody else said they did agree there was a difference but just didn't feel it was reflecting in my photo.

Have you had a look at the side-by-side photos of the same scenes in the photos shot on a Canon and a Nikon in the Youtube video I shared in my OP (complete with its blind A/B test you can take yourself), and you're still convinced there isn't any repeating difference between the two camera systems?

There's a difference between "difference" and "differentiator"

 

[Dave]

Other than the photographer holding a Nikon instead of a Canon?

Canon flares just as easily if you randomly point it at the sun and press click:

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@Dave - please don't tear my test shot to pieces and hurt my feeling, I'm a sensitive sausage.

That's actually pretty good, I could see that as a wall poster, it still has contrast, depth and definition that was missing in the other one. Your backlighting adds a lot to the photo with the almost opaque look through the grass heads.

 

[AfricanTech]

:crylaugh:

this thread is a microcosm of MyBB

/bookmarks

 

[Foxhound5366]

There's a difference between "difference" and "differentiator"

A bit like there's a difference between anal and being anal?

 

[Dave]

A bit like there's a difference between anal and being anal?

Or the difference between someone with skill and ability shooting contre-jour (like @TehStranger 's example) and someone who thinks failure can be made to look good by pretending the errors and faults were on purpose (like someone else's)?



But I must commend you on the excellent trolling thread...

 

[Foxhound5366]

Or the difference between someone with skill and ability shooting contre-jour (like @TehStranger 's example) and someone who thinks failure can be made to look good by pretending the errors and faults were on purpose (like someone else's)?



But I must commend you on the excellent trolling thread...

Have a look at my OP Dave. What part of that strikes you as trolling? How about my subsequent posts here? Do you think I enjoy being insulted by the likes of you? I don't suppose you ever considered the possibility that you're the ones trolling.

 

[Dave]

Have a look at my OP Dave. What part of that strikes you as trolling? How about my subsequent posts here? Do you think I enjoy being insulted by the likes of you? I don't suppose you ever considered the possibility that you're the ones trolling.

I'm only debating from your recent post of the yellow fuzzy woman, I haven't read back any further or gone to the OP (or if I did previously, don't remember it). My comments relate solely to the post with that picture and from there on.

PS
When I used to shoot weddings I used Nikon, but they took film..

 

[Foxhound5366]

I'm only debating from your recent post of the yellow fuzzy woman, I haven't read back any further or gone to the OP (or if I did previously, don't remember it). My comments relate solely to the post with that picture and from there on.

PS
When I used to shoot weddings I used Nikon, but they took film..

Ok great Dave, thanks for ignoring all the effort I've put into this thread to just jump in and insult me based off your misinterpretation of a single post of mine, and then call ME the troll. You got more in your system you want to get out?

 

[Dave]

Ok great Dave, thanks for ignoring all the effort I've put into this thread to just jump in and insult me based off your misinterpretation of a single post of mine, and then call ME the troll. You got more in your system you want to get out?

I didn't say you were a troll, just that it was a trolling thread (which product A vs product B threads invariably are).

By the way, me not liking (or the majority of people not liking) a single photo you've taken shouldn't be viewed as an insult. No one is saying you're a lesser person because you took and posted a crap photo.

 

[Foxhound5366]

I didn't say you were a troll, just that it was a trolling thread (which product A vs product B threads invariably are).

By the way, me not liking (or the majority of people not liking) a single photo you've taken shouldn't be viewed as an insult. No one is saying you're a lesser person because you took and posted a crap photo.

Do you want to keep digging that hole, or is it deep enough?

 

[AfricanTech]

For the sake of 'apples to apples', let's keep this focused on the 'slightly better than' entry-level models: the Canon EOS 760D and Nikon D5500.

[snip]

Nikon D5500:
- Far superior portrait images straight out of the camera (in my view this is the most subjective thing but there's also no contest)

[snip]

What do you mean by this

ie, do you mean (photo = portrait image) that if

you take a photo in "automatic" "portrait" "dummy" mode (SCN on Canon) the Nikon pics look better or
you take a photo using manual adjustments in the camera's "creative auto" mode (CA mode) the Nikon pics look better or
you take a photo using either "Av" or "Tv" mode the Nikon pics look betteror
you take a photo using fully Manual mode where you adjust everything yourself the Nikon pics look better

The reason I've differentiated the above is because, imo, if you want to make a comparison then it has to be made at the level of the "full auto / dummy" mode since that is the "default" that the camera comes with - everything else (imo) can be tweaked by a competent professional who knows exactly how to setup his/her equipment to deliver a particular result using either camera.

I've used both Nikon D5500 and Canon 760D and can't say that I've noticed any difference*

* caveat: I am a strictly amateur/family occasion photographer so my opinion probably ain't worth much in this regard

 

[Foxhound5366]

I've used both Nikon D5500 and Canon 760D and can't say that I've noticed any difference*

* caveat: I am a strictly amateur/family occasion photographer so my opinion probably ain't worth much in this regard

That's interesting, do you have access to both cameras and would you like to do a couple side-by-sides at the same settings on both?

I clarified above that when I shoot I do so in Manual or Aperture Priority, leaving the white balance settings and other settings to standard.

Based on your latest post I should also clarify that I am NOT saying that "Nikon takes better photos than Canon", but rather that "Nikon and Canon handle the same photo scenes differently from a colour perspective and I'm personally a fan of the Nikon way of doing things". Maybe I should extend that further to say that things get even more pronounced in terms of Nikon's D-Lighting, flash exposures and noise handling vs Canon, but that's another whole can of worms.

 

[AfricanTech]

That's interesting, do you have access to both cameras and would you like to do a couple side-by-sides at the same settings on both?

I clarified above that when I shoot I do so in Manual or Aperture Priority, leaving the white balance settings and other settings to standard.

Based on your latest post I should also clarify that I am NOT saying that "Nikon takes better photos than Canon", but rather that "Nikon and Canon handle the same photo scenes differently from a colour perspective and I'm personally a fan of the Nikon way of doing things". Maybe I should extend that further to say that things get even more pronounced in terms of Nikon's D-Lighting, flash exposures and noise handling vs Canon, but that's another whole can of worms.

I don't have easy access to the Nikon (it's my BiL's) but the next time I see him I'll try to remember to take the same shot with both cameras.

So by saying that Nikon and Canon handle the same photo scenes differently from a colour perspective and I'm personally a fan of the Nikon way of doing things" it means that you're saying that you prefer the "untweaked" Nikon pic to the Canon pic given the same settings - I think that's a fair statement, albeit a subjective one - I think what others here are saying is that 'objectively' there is no difference.

The only way to test the assertion is by doing a side by side comparison.

 

[Sinbad]

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The only way to test the assertion is by doing a side by side comparison.

"Is the dress black and blue, or gold and white"