Nikon vs Canon: Which do you prefer?

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Foxhound5366 said:
Is that really all you can see in that photo? All you see is everyday flaring, you can't see anything there that you think is different to Canon photographs in similar situations?
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Other than the photographer holding a Nikon instead of a Canon?

Canon flares just as easily if you randomly point it at the sun and press click:

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@Dave - please don't tear my test shot to pieces and hurt my feeling, I'm a sensitive sausage. :cry:

Ok let me try be constructive for a second. Foxhound, please explain (in as much detail as you can) what elements of your photo look uniquely Nikon. It seems we're all missing something so please teach us.
 
Foxhound5366 said:
Ok then, so for you, there is no difference between the way that Nikon and Canon handle photograph colour palettes directly off the sensor (and saved as jpg -> not RAW)?
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Ok I'll bite.

Yes there is difference, they handle it differently but even Canon and I think Nikon have different profiles for SOOC jpg files.
So if I'm shooting landscape I can select landscape profile in camera which will make colors bit warmer and change sharpening profile.

If I understood profiles well I could even when I'm shooting portrait use landscape profile to get similar warm shot as you did.
I'm guessing same is with Nikon and if you selected different profile your original photo would be slightly different.

Additional factor is WB and that can make your photo either warmer of cooler, this is done automatically but you can also set it up.
I often experiment with it to see how would photo look like.
Some cameras are bit better at it but still is not 100% again it also depends on situation and light at the time of shooting.

As we can see there are many factors that can influence SOOC image and just prescribing it to camera system would be foolish.
Personally as less confident shooter I just shoot raw and try to get the look later on.

Last year I got Fuji xt1 with few lenses and to tell you the truth difference is minor and I can replicate fuji look with canon raw file if I want to.

Regarding style, quality of photography and equipment relation I can only tell a story:
We had 20 shots competition, you get 20 subjects, you have 3 hours and only hand in card with 20 shots no editing.
Equipment ranged from p&s, all ranges of slr's to hasselblad.
Guy won with canon PS, most creative and interesting photos of the day and you could not figure out which system he used.

So to reiterate ad nauseam, there is nothing in that photograph that is distinctive or representative of any camera system and can not be replicated using canon or fuji.
 
I could only find this shot from 10 years ago.
TehStranger I like your one, mine is bit cooler due to my processing.
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Well thanks for that aleksandar, for the record I don't use the 'dummy' modes, I try be a good boy and stick to Manual or Aperture Priority if I'm feeling lazy. I'm guessing those wouldn't have unique colour profiles like you're referring to?

And it's ok if you disagree, I still think the specific treatment is different: even with that photo that TehStranger posted, yes it's a flare shot but it's not the same tone. I'd say that my shot on the Nikon is a softer shade with more diffuse lighting. Nikon / Canon

And so close TehStranger, you almost made a reasonable comment but then you just reverted to an insult. Maybe next time.
 
Foxhound5366 said:
Yes. You are claiming I did something, not talking about a photograph. Do you know the definition of ad hominem?
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Clearly you don't. The comment was about you shifting the goalposts, not about you.
 
aleksandar said:
I could only find this shot from 10 years ago.
TehStranger I like your one, mine is bit cooler due to my processing.
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Yours are LOT cooler, Aleksandar. If I'm saying that Nikon is softer and more diffuse colouring, then your photo just supports it from a Canon perspective.
 
Foxhound5366 said:
Who shifted the goalposts, Randhir, if not me? You even say, "you shifting the goalposts". What's the first word, Randhir?
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Lol! Really? It was directed at your argument, not you... You clearly are out of your depth here.
 
Foxhound5366 said:
Well thanks for that aleksandar, for the record I don't use the 'dummy' modes, I try be a good boy and stick to Manual or Aperture Priority if I'm feeling lazy. I'm guessing those wouldn't have unique colour profiles like you're referring to?

And it's ok if you disagree, I still think the specific treatment is different: even with that photo that TehStranger posted, yes it's a flare shot but it's not the same tone. I'd say that my shot on the Nikon is a softer shade with more diffuse lighting. Nikon / Canon

And so close TehStranger, you almost made a reasonable comment but then you just reverted to an insult. Maybe next time.
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So what you're saying is Nikon outputs a different tone of yellow in completely different scenarios with different lighting/angles etc.? That's the be and end all of your argument? You sure showed us, can't really compare to your thousands of shots under all lighting conditions.

Right, going back to my original assumption that you missed some slides in trolling class. :rolleyes:
 
TehStranger said:
So what you're saying is Nikon outputs a different tone of yellow in completely different scenarios with different lighting/angles etc.? That's the be and end all of your argument? You sure showed us, can't really compare to your thousands of shots under all lighting conditions.

Right, going back to my original assumption that you missed some slides in trolling class. :rolleyes:
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There again TehStranger, if you'd only left out that last line, I might almost be able to engage with you seriously. However you've insulted me again, without me doing the same to you.
 
Foxhound5366 said:
Well thanks for that aleksandar, for the record I don't use the 'dummy' modes, I try be a good boy and stick to Manual or Aperture Priority if I'm feeling lazy. I'm guessing those wouldn't have unique colour profiles like you're referring to?
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Image profiles are not linked to metering modes at all but to jpg creation, those are two distinct steps that influence created SOOC jpg.

So I would look at the scene and say well I would like to warm it up and set wb to shade.
Then whip out my light meter to take correct exposure parameters and manually set up my camera, then take a shot.

Nothing dummy about that.
 
aleksandar said:
Image profiles are not linked to metering modes at all but to jpg creation, those are two distinct steps that influence created SOOC jpg.

So I would look at the scene and say well I would like to warm it up and set wb to shade.
Then whip out my light meter to take correct exposure parameters and manually set up my camera, then take a shot.

Nothing dummy about that.
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Ok, so when you said "landscape profile" earlier you weren't referring to the little picture of the mountain? :P That's what I was referring to when talking about "dummy modes".

Obviously when you start tweaking white balance and editing photos in Photoshop you're going to blur all the boundaries between Canon and Nikon's in-camera processing, but that's what I'm focusing on as just another example of the difference between the two camera systems that hasn't been addressed here yet (with the conversation just revolving around the old horses of price, build quality and lens selection).
 
I'd say that anything that can be tweaked/simulated/undone in photoshop should be removed as a differentiator between cameras.
You can't photoshop a crappy lens better. Or a pic that's not in focus properly.
 
Foxhound5366 said:
Ok, so when you said "landscape profile" earlier you weren't referring to the little picture of the mountain? :P That's what I was referring to when talking about "dummy modes".

Obviously when you start tweaking white balance and editing photos in Photoshop you're going to blur all the boundaries between Canon and Nikon's in-camera processing, but that's what I'm focusing on as just another example of the difference between the two camera systems that hasn't been addressed here yet (with the conversation just revolving around the old horses of price, build quality and lens selection).
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No, I was not. We all moved away from little mountain.
Nikon shooters, do you have image profile settings where you can set up WB, color profile, sharpening rules? I'm guessing you do.

We are talking about SOOC jpg, no raw file, no PS.
Full manual, your camera suggests day wb and you say I want warmer shade one.
It suggests metering parameters and you select manual with your own one.
 
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