Nokia burning though cash reserves

[icyrus]

The three words "bandwagon", "jump" and "on" come to mind when I read comments like this. All of a sudden it has become popular to bash Symbian and everyone is doing it.

How anyone can doubt that Symbian was truly terrible is beyond me. There is a reason it went from dominant to dead in such a short period of time.

 

[ClintX]

How anyone can doubt that Symbian was truly terrible is beyond me. There is a reason it went from dominant to dead in such a short period of time.

If something is beyond your comprehension there is not much I can do about it but I am not alone in my liking of Symbian.

As regards the decline, if no phones are made with a specific OS it is bound to die is it not? If a CEO states they will no longer be supporting it after a few years the developers are bound to move elsewhere. It's shift from "dominant to dead" is not in any way proof of it's being "terrible".

 

[satanboy]

take a look around you and see how many people have Nokia's....

Nokia stopped caring about their customers and the last few years the product suffered. I have had only Nokia for 15 years or so and now just can't stand the crappy phones anymore (last two that I have owned).

 

[Arthur]

Maybe so. But they're working hard to win you back. By all accounts the Lumia 900 is one of the most beautiful out there, with exceptional build quality.

 

[ClintX]

take a look around you and see how many people have Nokia's....

Nokia stopped caring about their customers and the last few years the product suffered. I have had only Nokia for 15 years or so and now just can't stand the crappy phones anymore (last two that I have owned).

Look around you two years ago and see how many people had a Nokia phone. It is obvious not everyone has a Nokia now as Nokia has put out very little between the release of the Nokia N8 and now the Lumia range. That period has been over a year. They are/were transitioning. How can you expect everyone to have a Nokia in their hands when Nokia has not been putting out top phones during this time.

I can also throw in my phone history to prove my point, although it always seems a bit silly doing so because unless you have the latest it means little. I tried Samsung and it was rubbish. Yes, it was long before Android was on the scene which just further illustrates my assertion about the futility of stating you used to use Nokia phones and claiming they are NOW rubbish.

 

[ClintX]

Maybe so. But they're working hard to win you back. By all accounts the Lumia 900 is one of the most beautiful out there, with exceptional build quality.

Unfortunately I fear that until the bandwagon, which claims Nokia is rubbish, rolls out of town most will continue regurgitating hearsay and not think for themselves.

 

[satanboy]

..... I tried Samsung and it was rubbish. Yes, it was long before Android was on the scene which just further illustrates my assertion about the futility of stating you used to use Nokia phones and claiming they are NOW rubbish.

I still have a Nokia and it is a piece of crap. Changing next month.

 

[Arthur]

As an aside, Nokia's WP decision should not be put on Elop. The board had deeply considered all options, and the appointment of Elop was to give effect to what had already been decided. They hired a Microsoft man to implement their decision.

 

[ClintX]

I still have a Nokia and it is a piece of crap. Changing next month.

Which one?

Some people just don't like certain phones. No pleasing everyone. I know someone who just bought an iPhone (after being forced into that position as MTN did not have the Lumia 800 for ages now) and is most disappointed.

 

[Elimentals]

This is counter to reality. There is only one phone maker that sells Android devices that isn't losing money hand over fist. The rest are in an even worse position than Nokia.

So how exactly would Android have helped Nokia?

Because doesn't matter what anyone will tell you there is not a one OS covers all, never was and never will be.

Just as much as you love the iPhone, that is how much I love Android, and just as much does Arthur love Windows Phone or ClintX on his Symbian. Sure you have some that overlap in some areas but they dont cover all of it.

We might think in our heads that "our" OS is the best, but its not, because they all cater for different types of people. As an OEM it would be best to cover all or most of them, you don't have to focus on all the devices you stock either, just the ones that best fit your future strategy but if you want people to be Brand loyal you will cater for them.

For Example
Samsung carries Android, Bada(Tizen) and Windows Phone but focus on Android
Nokia Carries Windows Phone, Symbian and Meego(Tizen) but focus on Windows Phone
HTC Carries Windows Phone and Android, but shift focus based on release schedule.

Adding an Android device in Nokia's Lineup would not have changed its focus if management did not want it to. It would just added a device that Nokia loyal end users could have bought.

 

[satanboy]

Which one?

....

E52

 

[icyrus]

If something is beyond your comprehension there is not much I can do about it

Cute.

but I am not alone in my liking of Symbian.

One of a vanishing small minority. Perhaps you're a masochist.

As regards the decline, if no phones are made with a specific OS it is bound to die is it not? If a CEO states they will no longer be supporting it after a few years the developers are bound to move elsewhere. It's shift from "dominant to dead" is not in any way proof of it's being "terrible".

They abandoned Symbian because after the release of the iPhone it was clear to nearly everyone that it was junk from a past era and going nowhere.

As soon as their was a better alternative Symbian was dead.

 

[icyrus]

Because doesn't matter what anyone will tell you there is not a one OS covers all, never was and never will be.

Your advice is for a company to hedge it's bets but which companies are doing well from that strategy?

I believe focus is a better option. Nokia's problem is that they waited too long.

 

[ClintX]

Just as much as you love the iPhone, that is how much I love Android, and just as much does Arthur love Windows Phone or ClintX on his Symbian. Sure you have some that overlap in some areas but they dont cover all of it.

We might think in our heads that "our" OS is the best, but its not, because they all cater for different types of people.

You are totally right here. And it is exactly the reason we should not be cheering on the success of one OS only. We need choice for a number of reasons. Innovation, competition and just that, choice.

But I do not agree with your sentiment on hedging your bets. Samsung is indeed doing what is best for their bottom line but they are not innovating at all! They copy. If all manufacturers followed their example we'd stagnate.

One of a vanishing small minority. Perhaps you're a masochist.

Or perhaps I know what I like and if no one else offers it'll I'll stick with Symbian. Or more specifically Nokia. I don't feel the need to validate my choices by using what is popular with others....

They abandoned Symbian because after the release of the iPhone it was clear to nearly everyone that it was junk from a past era and going nowhere.

As soon as their was a better alternative Symbian was dead.

There wasn't, and still isn't, a better alternative. WP offers nowhere near what Symbian does. Android and iOS are also still playing catch up. That is what makes it such a joke. Yes, Symbian was not pretty and polished enough but my phone is not bought to enter beauty contests.

 

[Elimentals]

Your advice is for a company to hedge it's bets but which companies are doing well from that strategy?

I believe focus is a better option. Nokia's problem is that they waited too long.

Well I guess the future will let us know what was the best option.

Also my emotion might affect my strategy plans(The want for a Lumia 900 Android) but don't we all have the emotion problem... if we didn't we would not be human I guess.

 

[ClintX]

E52

Well you've just proved my point. You're doing as badly as I would be comparing my Samsung I had 7 years ago with the current Android batch.

You haven't tasted Symbian^3 or the updated Anna, Belle and Belle FP1... you are still playing with a S60V3 device.

 

[Lino]

All the praise for Symbian by running down iOS and Android will not save it. Even Nokia gave up on it!

 

[manesan]

You are totally right here. And it is exactly the reason we should not be cheering on the success of one OS only. We need choice for a number of reasons. Innovation, competition and just that, choice.

But I do not agree with your sentiment on hedging your bets. Samsung is indeed doing what is best for their bottom line but they are not innovating at all! They copy. If all manufacturers followed their example we'd stagnate.



Or perhaps I know what I like and if no one else offers it'll I'll stick with Symbian. Or more specifically Nokia. I don't feel the need to validate my choices by using what is popular with others....





There wasn't, and still isn't, a better alternative. WP offers nowhere near what Symbian does. Android and iOS are also still playing catch up. That is what makes it such a joke. Yes, Symbian was not pretty and polished enough but my phone is not bought to enter beauty contests.

You keep saying this, some examples please .

 

[ClintX]

All the praise for Symbian by running down iOS and Android will not save it. Even Nokia gave up on it!

People still praise dead musicians. Doesn't mean they are trying to bring them back.

However, even after using that analogy, praise and desire for further Symbian phones may encourage Nokia to extend the life and support for said OS. The fact they were forced to release Pureview on Symbian, their "dead platform" shows the current superiority of the OS.

 

[Elimentals]

People still praise dead musicians. Doesn't mean they are trying to bring them back.

However, even after using that analogy, praise and desire for further Symbian phones may encourage Nokia to extend the life and support for said OS. The fact they were forced to release Pureview on Symbian, their "dead platform" shows the current superiority of the OS.

Only reason Pureview was Symbian instead of Windows Phone is because WP OS did not allow them direct access to the camera hardware from the software perspective. They are working with Microsoft to fix this also See Windows Phone 8.

Its not because it was a better OS to release it on, it was simply an OS where they had direct access to the hardware and OS.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/03/05/nokia.pureview.tech.to.spread.to.new.os.soon/

Nokia's Smart Devices Executive VP Jo Harlow in commentary this weekend gave hints that the 808 PureView's extreme camera technology would come to Windows Phone devices soon. Echoing some sentiments from the end of the live event at Mobile World Congress, she told Aamulehti that it would "not take very long." She couldn't divulge when, although it's possible that Apollo (Windows Phone 8) in late 2012 may be an opportunity.

The platform switch may be necessary to see PureView available officially in the US and Canada. A check of the developer page for the 808 has shown that the global phone launch consciously excludes North America. Nokia hasn't said why, although it's likely Symbian's much smaller, declining share in the US has left little chance of the 808 selling well. It's likely to still reach the country through full-price unlocked versions sold through importers.

PureView is a first in cameras by providing a large and very dense sensor that avoids most of the image noise pitfalls that would likely be present in any camera its size. Along with providing a very high level of detail that can be used for large crops, it can lower the resolution to improve its image quality: dropping to 38, eight, or five megapixels combines pixels together to generate a cleaner image.

Windows Phone doesn't currently have a way to account for PureView and would likely need special driver software as well as an upgraded camera app

Also see http://www.wpcentral.com/nokia-pureview-confirmed-come-windows-phone-lumia-family