Nokia Lumia 920 unveiled

McCrazieGoalz said:
Do me a favor, read this article here
- Windows 8 is a No Compromise Ecosystem and this one
- The End of Android Tablets is Nigh
then come back with your revised opinion.
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That second article wasn't written by users of Android tablets running the latest OS (ICS or JB) because they write nonsense.

Statement: "JUST 'HAVING AN ANDROID TABLET' HAS BASICALLY BEEN A NON-STARTER"

I've got several variations of Android tablets running at work and in my personal capacity and there is nothing wrong with them. I personally have a Samsung Galaxy 10.1 on ICS. It's perfect. Wasn't when I got it, but a lot has changed in one year. I now enjoy a fantastic tablet that beats the socks off my iPad 2 no matter how you try to cut it. For a better tablet one cannot ask ... I have FULL control over it and everything on it. The new JB tablets will be awesome. Bottom line: Google has come to the tablet party in a big way and the likes of Samsung and Asus will be stupid to move away from Android. I just wish HTC would come back with another Android tablet offering because the Flyer is brilliant.

Those who negatively judge Android tablets do so on old facts. ICS and JB are making a huge difference and sales will show it. Watch.

So ... I still stand by my arguments.
 
I genuinely cannot understand why a person would not want a full functioning file manager on a tablet that gives him/her total freedom to do with his/her files as he/she sees fit. Anything less than this = compromise = fail (imo). If Windows 8 on tablets do not give me full access to my files on my device to do with it as I see fit I do not want it. Just like I've outgrown iOS for this reason.

Wherever I go I can load anything anywhere to and from my tablet. Anything that can be used on the tablet. I do not need a PC or laptop anywhere near me. I can "sneakernet" to hearts desire without paying high data costs for cloud computing. Who wouldn't want or need this? Can't be just Android geeks that want full control over their content everywhere they go.
 
Statement: "JUST 'HAVING AN ANDROID TABLET' HAS BASICALLY BEEN A NON-STARTER"

I've got several variations of Android tablets running at work and in my personal capacity and there is nothing wrong with them. I personally have a Samsung Galaxy 10.1 on ICS. It's perfect. Wasn't when I got it, but a lot has changed in one year.
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But from a sales pov, it's quite true. You're constantly confusing your personal wants and needs with the market's. It's all about profit. A tablet that is just an Android tablet without being linked into a unique thriving ecosystem is a non-starter. The only really profitable Android tablets have been those which were explicitly marketed as portals to services. The fact that you've been able to make your Galaxy fit your needs so well is great, but it doesn't equate to mainstream success.
 
BeVonk! said:
I genuinely cannot understand why a person would not want a full functioning file manager on a tablet that gives him/her total freedom to do with his/her files as he/she sees fit. Anything less than this = compromise = fail (imo). If Windows 8 on tablets do not give me full access to my files on my device to do with it as I see fit I do not want it. Just like I've outgrown iOS for this reason.
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Well, I guess.... I'm trying to think how useful the file system is on my Android devices. It's great for flashing purposes but I've never needed to flash the iPad. Apart from that I tend to do everything via the apps. It just doesn't factor into my iPad usage that I feel frustrated because of not having direct access to the filesystem. I load all the documents I intend to use via iTunes into the app directory itself. It's actually more intuitive than setting USB ON and navigating a file tree every time I want to put something on my phone. Perhaps I've also outgrown this incessant need to modify my devices.

Wherever I go I can load anything anywhere to and from my tablet. Anything that can be used on the tablet. I do not need a PC or laptop anywhere near me. I can "sneakernet" to hearts desire without paying high data costs for cloud computing. Who wouldn't want or need this? Can't be just Android geeks that want full control over their content everywhere they go.
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You must pay a hang of a lot for the data though.
 
BeVonk! said:
If Windows 8 on tablets do not give me full access to my files on my device to do with it as I see fit I do not want it.
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Right. So, you've highlighted one of the problems that Samsung's Ativ Smart PC has as a tablet. No file management on Win8 in tablet mode. IMO this is a temporary problem that is likely to be fixed either by Samsung itself or will not be a problem with other Win8 OEMs. I am sure you will not find this problem with the Surface.

However, the main emphasis of the no compromise story of the ecosystem is that you can do what you want and need to do with a Win8 tablet. You do not need to hop between two environments/devices to do your computing - whether it is browsing the Internet or editing your MS Office documents. Remember, most people use MS Office and would feel completely lost if you give them anything other than that for word processing.

If you have an Android or Apple device, you still need another device to do your work. But, with a Win8 device like the Ativ Smart PC, you don't - full stop. I am assuming that on board file management (on the hard drive) is enabled by plugging the Ativ tablet back into the dock as he did to complete his document editing - I am quite sure he saved it onto the computer and not the flash drive.
 
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As far as I know MS Office will be coming to Android and iOS also. It's been in the media for some time now. I would love to have real Office on my Android device as the "go betweens" just don't work as well.

I'm not anti-Windows 8. If they can give me a fully accessible file management system on the device and allow me to install apps from the side ... and enough app choices are available ... I will most definitely want to get myself one. I'm a gadget guy first and foremost.

If MS is planning to limit/deny on-system file access - as Apple is doing - I will more than likely never bite. The only thing that will/can change my mind on this issue/need is much much cheaper data costs to make cloud computing in SA affordable. At current prices I am a "sneakernetter".
 
Thing is the limitation of file access is something Apple implements across all of their devices. It has to do with their management of metadata. Frankly it is a far more elegant solution than the way MS implemented metadata from the file-side rather than the system-side which led to the unfortunate kludge that is Windows Explorer. Ideally the system should recognize and allocate files seamlessly. But that's a digression.

Rumours of Android/iOS Office remain rumours and unconvincing ones at that. However.... what I've seen of Office 2013 doesn't inspire me that it will be workable for touch control. In fact it looks downright ugly and unwieldy. Perhaps it will remain elusive. Perhaps we don't even need Office anymore. I can't say.
 
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BeVonk! said:
As far as I know MS Office will be coming to Android and iOS also.
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I have seen Office 2013 for Mac (OS X) but not for iOS. Nothing for Android either - so yes (cerebus), it is only a rumor at this stage. But, there is a good chance for Android getting Office 2013 too since that is MS's main business, i.e. selling software.

However, with that said, this would push the price point up for your iOS/OS X or Android device relative to a Win8 device. Price in these economic times is one of the main determinants of success or failure in the tablet market. With Office 2013 being a major draw card for Win8 tablets, I think MS (Win8) certainly has one up on Android and OS X.

Remember, even if Office comes to OS X/iOS and Android, it still would not be a native collection of apps.
 
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A Nokia thread where people are more concerned about Android/iOS/WP8.
Just goes to show that Nokia is really just another hardware manufacturer now.
 
Mouse, Nokia is indeed really only a hardware manufacturer now, but one that is closer to MS than their competitors. How this is going to work out in future is going to be interesting. If Nokia gets more or better access to the mobile Windows OS the other OEM's will not want to walk the MS road, and some have already made that decision. I just cannot see this working out in the long run. Now MS is even competing with Nokia (with Surface). If Nokia gets treated better the other OEM's walk away. If Nokia gets treated the same or worse Nokia is in trouble. Either MS buys Nokia outright and swallows the whale, or it let it go to compete as all other OEM's do. The current arrangement is just too messy imo.
 
My proposal was always for Nokia and RIM to unite. BB10/QNX with BBM and BIS/BES on Nokia hardware. Clear.

At a stage - just before Elop came on the scene - Nokia and RIM were talking about joining forces ... and then Elop took over and Nokia jumped to MS. I cannot help but believe Elop was planted to disrupt any chance of RIM and Nokia getting together. MS pulled Nokia "closer" to kill another new kid on the block, instead of really helping Nokia.
 
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I think Nokia is a pretty redoubtable software developer and innovator in their own right. Nokia Music, Nokia Drive, the new augmented reality demo, Pureview, their fetishistic polycarbonate molds and curved glass screens, hands free capacitive touchscreens - how many handset manufacturers are able to put that much proprietary tech into their phones?
 
That Nokia is/was a great innovator goes without question. Problem is (how I see it) is they got rid of a huge % of their staff leaving me with the question: of the current new innovations, how many have been developed by people now gone, and how much innovation momentum has Nokia got left in them with the staff they have. The software side of the company were hardest hit by the retrenchments. Then one also wonders how much room for software innovation MS will allow Nokia if competition between the two is a potential outcome.
 
BeVonk! said:
Mouse, Nokia is indeed really only a hardware manufacturer now, but one that is closer to MS than their competitors. How this is going to work out in future is going to be interesting. If Nokia gets more or better access to the mobile Windows OS the other OEM's will not want to walk the MS road, and some have already made that decision. I just cannot see this working out in the long run. Now MS is even competing with Nokia (with Surface). If Nokia gets treated better the other OEM's walk away. If Nokia gets treated the same or worse Nokia is in trouble. Either MS buys Nokia outright and swallows the whale, or it let it go to compete as all other OEM's do. The current arrangement is just too messy imo.
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I fail to see how this doesn't parallel with Google's approach with Motorola who coincidentally also launched an array of devices a few hours after Nokia/Microsoft. This is simply an anti-Microsoft statement, especially coming from someone who is so pro-Android that he fails to see it happening in the very system that he is supporting.

So, you see this as a flaw in the Windows camp and not a flaw in the Android camp how?

Remember Google has the Nexus, pretty much the way MS will have the Surface.
 
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I didn't write of Google + Motorola. I wrote of MS + Nokia ... the theme of this thread. Naturally the Google + Motorola connection is filled with intrigue of its own. I'm not blind to that.
 
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