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Got a friend who lives in Somerset and he's got no probs, maybe its the tower close to you or something?

However i think its the fact that you run Ubuntu :rolleyes:
 
LOL, happy that your problem got sorted. Ubuntu...well i generally found that people who use ubuntu tend to have bad luck for some reason :P
 
haha, so do os x users ;)

only we don't need to use terminal as much, thank heavens for that...
 
evolution said:
haha, so do os x users ;)

only we don't need to use terminal as much, thank heavens for that...
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That's only a problem for people that are terminally-challenged.

I like doing Terminal windows in Linux [on desktops & servers with Sarah Silverman].
 
vodacom3g said:
Nothing stops you to use a terminal on OSX.
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I would actually like to get hold of OSX for PCs, but it isn't free - unlike Linux which is free [and I do my own Linux support for free as well], IOW the price tag attached to OSX is what stops me doing the Terminal window in OSX...
 
I'm not all too familiar with OSX. I wanna get to know it a bit, thats why i'm going to Multi boot it with XP. I'm already running Vista and XP on this machine.
 
ic said:
I would actually like to get hold of OSX for PCs, but it isn't free - unlike Linux which is free [and I do my own Linux support for free as well], IOW the price tag attached to OSX is what stops me doing the Terminal window in OSX...
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Surely you can't buy OSX without the hardware? Or can you? :confused:
 
ic said:
That's only a problem for people that are terminally-challenged.

I like doing Terminal windows in Linux [on desktops & servers with Sarah Silverman].
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ROFL, i think you meant to say 'people who use terminal are 'terminally-ill' :rolleyes:

Nah, back to reality. I've used Ubuntu and I've come to realise that I enjoy the ease and simplicity of OS X so much more. Seriously try it out, not like the 'cash' aspect of it will stop anyone *cough* torr.. *cough*. :)
 
vodacom3g said:
Surely you can't buy OSX without the hardware? Or can you? :confused:
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According to Apple's website one can download OSX in exchange for a fair amount of dosh, so yes, one does not have to buy an Apple to run OSX on an ordinary PC.

Perhaps best if bwana clarifies :D.
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ROFL, i think you meant to say 'people who use terminal are 'terminally-ill' :rolleyes:
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Nope, that's a very bigoted opinion you have there, Terminal users are in no way associated with Michelle Jackson.
evolution said:
Nah, back to reality. I've used Ubuntu and I've come to realise that I enjoy the ease and simplicity of OS X so much more. Seriously try it out, not like the 'cash' aspect of it will stop anyone *cough* torr.. *cough*. :)
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Nothing wrong with OSX IMO - except that it's not free, and it's quite likely to be OSX's Achilles heel, if OSX was free to use then Apple might be able to increase its userbase substantially.
 
I don't think they want to increase userbase so substantially. No point they gaining ground at a good steady pace, so business wise thats good for them i guess.
 
ic said:
According to Apple's website one can download OSX in exchange for a fair amount of dosh, so yes, one does not have to buy an Apple to run OSX on an ordinary PC.
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Well never knew that, but thanks to the wonderful world of being on-line, I'm posting this using OSX on my Intel desktop!! :D:D

At long last my QuadCore CPU can actually pay attention to me and not wander off into neverland.
 
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vodacom3g said:
You've been released from your working-hours-forum-ban? :)
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Only a temporary reprieve - I'm at home today whilst some rather bizarre "new" contract procurement issues sort themselves out, but apart from that I'm doing some DIY repairs to my driveway - very exciting stuff :(.​
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ic said:
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Only a temporary reprieve - I'm at home today whilst some rather bizarre "new" contract procurement issues sort themselves out, but apart from that I'm doing some DIY repairs to my driveway - very exciting stuff :(.​
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Damn, was hoping you're back on form again ;)

Still posting this on OSX!

Some musings on desktop OS's, I wrote for some people who did not know the Unix base of OSX :)

Over the last 20 years Microsoft came to dominate the desktop because of two reasons, a Graphical User Interface and massive application support. This is what people wanted, the ability to run any application they desire, in a user-friendly environment.

Thus Bill became the richest man on the planet.

But we've also seen a groundswell of resent grow towards Microsoft, and it's mostly focused on the OS itself. Let's be honest, as OS's go, it's crap. Unstable and slow. Running Vista on the latest hardware is slightly less painful than a root-canal, and slower.

During this same time Unix on Intel became more viable but lacked the two major requirements, ease-of-use and good application support. But no-one will argue that it's the best OS out there, based on technologies refined by the likes of IBM, SUN and HP over the last 30 years. But it stayed an OS-for-geeks.

(There's an old saying: a Linux user gets laid about as often as he has to reset his computer!)

So we sit with a great OS in Unix and great apps in Windows (M$ Office is the de-facto standard for example).

New efforts like Ubuntu is trying hard to fix the OS ease-of-use and look-and-feel issues and have, for the most of it, actually succeeded. But application support is still a big problem. BTW, the Asus eeePC might just revolutionise this world.

So what we need is Unix as the OS but support for the Windows-type applications such as Office.

And, of course we have this as Apple's OSX.

Few people know this but OSX is actually standard Unix with a cool GUI on top of it. Because of it's popularity, many applications have been written for it, the quality of which often surpass the Windows versions.

So OSX seems to be that magical win-win, the best OS running the best apps. But not quite, since it always ran on proprietary hardware you can only buy from Apple and you had little say what spec hardware you wanted. A take-it-or-leave-it approach.

Well, Apple recently switched to using Intel hardware (no doubt driving up their margins), but this lead to an interesting scenario: What stops you from running OSX on your PC. All it needs are the drivers and it should run as is.

And, of course with the internet being the internet, this is exactly what happened. You can now download and install a pukka version of OSX on your PC platform and get the benefits of using a 'proper' OS (Unix) with a great GUI and excellent application support.

And you don't need to paint anything white, feel all religious about it or develop an attitude!

Comparing Vista-64bit with OSX on the exact same hardware shows the difference. Opening Word takes about 20 to 40 seconds on Vista-64, less than 5 on OSX.

Creating a new mail on Windows Mail on Vista, anything from 5 seconds to 30 seconds.

OSX mail: Less than a second.
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- Even though you can buy and download OSX, it's not licensed on non-Apple hardware. This obviously led to the distros you find on the web with OSX + PC hardware drivers.

- Somehow we need to get the message to Apple that their drawing card is not their hardware, but the OS. Unbundle it!
 
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