Official June 2014 Tests Thread

[Mephisto_Helix]

which Bulls players do not deserve to be there: Olivier.
replace with: A broken-down wheelchair driven by a one-legged blind granny who knows to rather pass than do a stupid dance this way, that way and run into negative space to knock-on.

He'd say all of them including HM. He'd replace them with a shark.

Thanks for quoting victimboi or I'd not be able to answer -

15 Willie le Rouz
14 Cornal Hendricks
13 JP Pietersen
12 Jan Serfontein
11 Bryan Habana
10 Morne Steyn - replace with Marnitz Boshoff or Handre Pollard
9 Fourie du Preez
8 Duane Vermeulen
7 Willem Alberts
6 Francois Louw
5 Victor Matfield (captain) - replace with Lood de Jager
4 Flip van der Merwe
3 Jannie du Plessis
2 Bismarck du Plessis
1 Beast Mtawarira


16 Schalk Brits - replace with anyone, he sucks arse
17 Gurthro Steenkamp - replace with anyone
18 Coenie Oosthuizen
19 Lood de Jager
20 Schalk Burger
21 Ruan Pienaar - replace with anyone, anyone at all
22 Wynand Olivier - replace with anyone, anyone at all in the whole damn world
23 Lwazi Mvovo



HM deserves scorn for his Olivier selection ..... there is nothing at all except that he's a Bullerina old boy to warrant his selection and for that, HM is a dumbarse.

 

[sand_man]

Sooooooo, what winning margin will please all the people? 20? 40? 193.6?

This Welsh team blows a bit hot and cold but on their day they no pushover.

I thought the Boks did brilliantly against them until Willie went off. The backs just seemed so ordinary after he went off, lacked flair and didn't look very threatening. Boks last score of the match was after 52 minutes. Willie went off soon after and that was that... That to me is a bit worrying...

Anyhoooo... We can cry and grumble about the current squad but until we have viable alternatives other than "replace with anyone " , the current squad will remain!!

I would like to see Rory as backup 9, Boshoff as backup 10, Goosen is never going to realize his true potential and that is incredibly sad!! Pollard has been brilliant at U20 world cup but he didn't do it for me in the Super 15. You get players who can't quite make the step up and for me he is one of those. Hope/sure he will prove me wrong in the near future.

Centre is also becoming a bit of a headache position for SA!! I don't believe JP is the answer! Jan is young and will grow and improve over time but he won't have a very long career if he's to continue being used as a midfield battering ram!! I really don't understand why DeJong in't being used at outside centre and is JJ Engelbrecht injured? Both would be more natural selections at 13, JP at 14, Cornel on the bench!!

We seem to have an abundance of players in some positions and sweet fck all in others! If Willie is injured who's our fullback? Zane?? And who is 3rd choice??? Same at inside centre, Jean and Jan but who is 3rd choice??? If you want to win RWC 2015 right now you need 3 world class players in each position.

Front row pretty much picks itself! Coenie is reasonable cover at tighthead or loosehead but this is another area where SA is a bit thin, quality props.

Locks is another area where our best are playing overseas.

Eben's season long injury is a huge blow! I'm also not excited to see Victor so firmly re-entrenched in the squad and starting XV only because I believe if Eben was fit and Bekker and Hargreaves weren't playing abroad, they would be in the mix and not Victor. Victor has earned his retirement. Let him have it!!

Hargreaves is another player that SA have just casually discarded. This is a guy that played SA Schools, SA U19/U20, captained the sides no less but not good enough to play for the Boks?? K u k!! So Hargreaves at 28 and Bekker at 30 could easily be in the form of the lives come RWC 2015 but instead of bolstering the Bok squad they'll be playing club rugby in Japan and Europe and Victor and Bakkies will be trying to push out yet more test appearances!!

Doesn't make sense to me.

It's poor planning, it's dumb and if Eben isn't fit and firing and anyone of Bakkies, Victor or Flip get injured we will be starting RWC 2015 with Willem Alberts at lock and he ain't no lock.

I called Lood De Jager from beginning of last season already. Huge potential there. Let's see how he develops. He needs to be a bit more aggressive and I'm up his fitness levels if he's going to make it at test level. He was barely on for 15 minutes on Saturday and already huffing and puffing!

Hookers we got too many, just none of them playing in SA. I rate Britz highly! His departure for England was a huge blow for South African rugby. You just have to see what an impact he's had at Sarries to understand the quality of the player!! But in SA we quick to write off resources! We don't value or respect what we have and then wonder why we get pummeled in Super 15 and Tri-nations.

Let's see how many of the current Bok U20 squad are playing Super rugby within the next 3-4 seasons.

Anyhoooo...

Wales this weekend, I'll take a 15 point victory! Ain't going to be easy though...

 

[OrbitalDawn]

On another note.

May I ask which Bulls players do not deserve to be there, and who whould you replace them with.

Ps this is aimed at all, not at Apoc. Perhaps someone like M-Helix would like to comment.

I'd dump Flip van der Merwe, get Lood to start. And when Etzebeth comes back Flip shouldn't be in the squad at all anymore.

Olivier shouldn't be anywhere near a Springbok jersey. Put Jordaan in ahead of him.

Morné Steyn can stay flyhalf for now, I think. But long-term Pollard and Boshoff should take over.

Thanks for quoting victimboi or I'd not be able to answer -

15 Willie le Rouz
14 Cornal Hendricks
13 JP Pietersen
12 Jan Serfontein
11 Bryan Habana
10 Morne Steyn - replace with Marnitz Boshoff or Handre Pollard
9 Fourie du Preez
8 Duane Vermeulen
7 Willem Alberts
6 Francois Louw
5 Victor Matfield (captain) - replace with Lood de Jager
4 Flip van der Merwe
3 Jannie du Plessis
2 Bismarck du Plessis
1 Beast Mtawarira


16 Schalk Brits - replace with anyone, he sucks arse
17 Gurthro Steenkamp - replace with anyone
18 Coenie Oosthuizen
19 Lood de Jager
20 Schalk Burger
21 Ruan Pienaar - replace with anyone, anyone at all
22 Wynand Olivier - replace with anyone, anyone at all in the whole damn world
23 Lwazi Mvovo



HM deserves scorn for his Olivier selection ..... there is nothing at all except that he's a Bullerina old boy to warrant his selection and for that, HM is a dumbarse.

You'd chuck Matfield, but keep Flip van der Merwe? :erm:

I think the only reason Brits is there is because of Strauss's injury. I don't think he sucks, though. He's a quality player. I'd like to see Craig Burden part of the Springboks setup, though.

Agreed on Pienaar and Olivier.

 

[Mephisto_Helix]

Flip has his ups and downs but the last I saw of him play, he was doing ok. He can actually be a good player if he keeps at it and doesn't do the stupid stuff.

 

[Devill]

Very nice posts.

I agree Olivier should not be anywhere close to a Bok jersey. The Sad truth is JdV, de Jong, Steyn and JJ are all injured or unavailable. Jordaan deserves to be there and I would have probably picked Eberson ahead of Olivier, It hink Olivier was included as last resort and because he knows the Bok structures the best out of the rest.

Anyone still doubting Matfield did not watch last weekend's game. I do however agree that we are light at lock and preferably I would not want less than 2 no. 5 locks and 3 no. 4 locks ready to go.

I think at tighthead we have a big problem if Jannie does not shape (he played brilliantly in the last test, but scored 2-5/10 in the five before that imo). We do have that young gun from the Stormers that toured end of last year and impressed, but iirc he is injured at the moment.

At loosehead we are covered with Steenkamp, Beast and Coenie.

Morne Steyn had his best game in year last weekend. Now is not the time to kick him out, the time was last year or the year before. for the moment he has done everything right and is in the lead to wear the no 10 jersey. I hope Boshoff gets a go aand unseats Morne as I believe Boshoff is a more complete flyhalf and I would love to see what he can do next to a guy like Fourie du Preez.

As far as fullbacks go we have Zane "6/10 forever" as cover but I agree with Sandman that this is not a great option. I hope Lambie will be fit soon so that he can at least serve as cover for that position.

Wings we are blessed with.

Scrumhalves.... well I do not know why Pienaar is still there, and then to back him up we have Hougaard? No thanks.
I believe we have lost Kockett to France but this should have opened up the door for the young guns aka Piet van Zyl and the like.

Anyone know what HM's current winning % is?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Anyone know what HM's current winning % is?

Somewhere around 72%, I think. Just behind Kitch Christie.

 

[APoc184]

So we all heard that some of the French based Boks might not be available for the last test against Scotland because it falls outside the IRB Test Window.

So I heard a very reliable little birdie chirp that Handre Pollard might leapfrog Marnitz Boshoff and be given a run if he comes out uninjured after the IRB Junior World Cup.

Either way I think he will be called up to the squad if Steyn is recalled to France.

 

[SlowInternet]

So we all heard that some of the French based Boks might not be available for the last test against Scotland because it falls outside the IRB Test Window.

So I heard a very reliable little birdie chirp that Handre Pollard might leapfrog Marnitz Boshoff and be given a run if he comes out uninjured after the IRB Junior World Cup.

Either way I think he will be called up to the squad if Steyn is recalled to France.

With Heyneke Meyer anything is possible.

 

[SlowInternet]

HM deserves scorn for his Olivier selection ..... there is nothing at all except that he's a Bullerina old boy to warrant his selection and for that, HM is a dumbarse.

Agree 100%.

 

[Sm00thSm0k3]

HM deserves scorn for his Olivier selection ..... there is nothing at all except that he's a Bullerina old boy to warrant his selection and for that, HM is a dumbarse.

Agreed.

He deserves just as much scorn for his persistence with Pienaar. I cannot fathom why HM keeps selecting him!!

The Rory Kokket boat has no doubt sailed a long time ago but why not give Reinach or Sarel Pretorius a shot off the bench?!

 

[Pitbull]

So we all heard that some of the French based Boks might not be available for the last test against Scotland because it falls outside the IRB Test Window.

So I heard a very reliable little birdie chirp that Handre Pollard might leapfrog Marnitz Boshoff and be given a run if he comes out uninjured after the IRB Junior World Cup.

Either way I think he will be called up to the squad if Steyn is recalled to France.

This is utterly retarded.

You have good sources and I'm sure you're right. But why deny Boshoff his cap in favour of someone who just played a World cup and I still believe not remotely close to the form that Boshoff is...

 

[BobsLawnService]

Handre Pollard might leapfrog Marnitz Boshoff and be given a run if he comes out uninjured after the IRB Junior World Cup.

I hope they give the kid at least another season in a decent Super Rugby team to make the step up a bit easier.

He's talented but I'd like to see him managed a bit better than we usually manage young talent.

 

[Devill]

So we all heard that some of the French based Boks might not be available for the last test against Scotland because it falls outside the IRB Test Window.

So I heard a very reliable little birdie chirp that Handre Pollard might leapfrog Marnitz Boshoff and be given a run if he comes out uninjured after the IRB Junior World Cup.

Either way I think he will be called up to the squad if Steyn is recalled to France.

Then let us hope Morne is standing in the shadow of the Eiffel Tower come the last test on tour (Are we allowed to hope that he has a wedding or something he needs to attend the week before that as well?).

This is utterly retarded.

You have good sources and I'm sure you're right. But why deny Boshoff his cap in favour of someone who just played a World cup and I still believe not remotely close to the form that Boshoff is...

I was actually hoping that Boshoff and Pollard would be picked for the end of year tour.

Pitbull, Boshoff has shown half a season of form, Pollard has shown twice on the world stage (yes yes it might be the Junior WC) he is steady and can more than hold his own.

 

[APoc184]

France back to their terrible form again. Wallabies made to look good against poor defence. Although they still need to finish the opportunities, which they do.

20-6 at HT for Aus

 

[MickeyD]

Make that 27-6

 

[APoc184]

Make that 34-6

 

[APoc184]

Final score 39-13.

But jeez the French were terrible.

 

[MickeyD]

Now for a better game... can England beat the All Blacks today? I think so!

 

[APoc184]

Now for a better game... can England beat the All Blacks today? I think so!

Going to be a close one. If England can play for a full 80min and limit the brain farts. I reckon we can see an upset today.

All Blacks will no doubt be counting on all the 50/50 calls from the ref going their way and swinging momentum in their favour.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

What the fsck?! Why was the Wallabies/Frogs game so early? It's supposed to be at 12:00! Missed it completely.