Official Man United Supporters' Thread

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hj2k_x said:
Champions League? Like the Premier League...Not been won all that much by Pool iirc.

Let's not go down this road. Show the World Champions some respect. Otherwise, I shall have to start talking about Trebles..
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lol "world champions" more like toyota cup winners, since they changed the name all of a sudden manu supporters think the trophy means something.

I hope barca send their C team to that tournament, pointless cup
 
SuPaStA said:
lol "world champions" more like toyota cup winners, since they changed the name all of a sudden manu supporters think the trophy means something.

I hope barca send their C team to that tournament, pointless cup
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Thanks for your valuable input. It is always appreciated. I hope they send their C team, too.
 
SuPaStA said:
lol "world champions" more like toyota cup winners, since they changed the name all of a sudden manu supporters think the trophy means something.

I hope barca send their C team to that tournament, pointless cup
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Hey last time I checked Toyota was the most popular car in the world :)
 
A name change doesn't change the trophy ... 5 European cups for Liverpool against 3 European Cups for Man United is a fact.

*And by the way Liverpool have 2 treble seasons ... 1984 (European Cup / Title / League Cup) & 2001 (UEFA Cup, FA Cup & League Cup) in the locker.*

The same fact that United were played off the park by Barca last night.

Being a "cock" a-spaniel does no one favours :D
 
16 Conclusions From ManYoo v Barca
Posted 28/05/09 09:04



Nine out of ten for Barcelona after the demonstration that possession is nine-tenths of the law...

* After all the fuss and billing beforehand of a game within a game to be contested by Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi, the final was won by an against-the-balance-of-play goal on the break, lost in midfield, and run by the player Wayne Rooney subsequently crowned the "best in the world": Andres Iniesta. A victory for the little guys and all that.

* The best refs are the ones you don't notice. But the flip side of Massimo Busacca's anonymity in Rome is that his comprehensive and largely-faultless rebuttal of the argument that showpiece events have to be officiated by Italians, Spaniards or Englishmen will go largely unnoticed. As you won't have heard an apologetic Jamie Redknapp note afterwards, Busacca is from Switzerland.

* Barcelona are the real deal. Who needs a Plan B when Plan A stands for making football look like art? To borrow James Lawton's line, Barcelona should not merely be recognised as the champions of Europe but also the champions of football. This morning, the description of the Premier League as the best world in the league suddenly sounds very hollow indeed. European champions and holders of the European Cup, Spain is where it's at.

* Rarely can a treble have felt so empty (and it is a treble, in case you have forgotten about United's collection of the World Club Cup Thingy in December). But to the inevitable over-reaction that they suffered an exposure of something more meaningful and substantial than a painful defeat should be the retort that no side has ever retained the Champions League, that there's no arguing with three successive Premier League trophies and the soothing indulgence of a 'what if they scored first?' alternative reality. United may have suffered defeat and a harsh, humiliating lesson in the power of possession but they did not become a bad team over a single night. They'll be back.

* And was not the real lesson of the evening that goals transform matches and can make very good teams turn ordinary in a blink? Had United scored in their opening ten minutes of domination - and almost did so but for the size of Gerard Pique's boot - then it's Barcelona who, surely, would have struggled thereafter, just as they did at Stamford Bridge after falling behind to an early Chelsea goal. Instead, after conceding to Barca's first attack, it was United who suffered the humiliation they meted out to Arsenal a month ago when, after being stuck on the back foot for the opening ten minutes of the second semi-final, they scored with their first attack. It's a repeat business, football.

* The sooner Ben Foster replaces Edwin van der Sar the better.

* Just a thought: In commentary, Martin Tyler suggested that the thinking inside the United camp was that only one of Thierry Henry and Iniesta, but not both, would start the final. Could this error of expectation explain why neither Michael Carrick nor Anderson seemed prepared or positioned for the task of neutering the Iniesta-Xavi alliance or why Ferguson played into Barcelona's hands with the forward deployment of Ryan Giggs? If Ferguson, whose record in Europe remains modest given the resources and opportunities available to him, saw greatness slip through his grasp in Rome then he only has himself to blame. The panic of Carlos Tevez's half-time introduction just compounded his starting error and it really is saying a damning deal when even Jamie Redknapp immediately spots a tactical flaw.

* One of the worst things that could have happened this season for Manchester United was Ryan Giggs being crowned Player of the Year because the award convincingly implied that he is still worthy of a first-choice pick. He isn't, and Anderson's wretchedness should not disguise the poverty of Giggs' performance in Rome or the recklessness of his deployment as a support forward. Just how did Ferguson completely miss the demonstration helpfully presented by Chelsea that revealed how to stop Barcelona?

* United missed Darren Fletcher far more than Barcelona missed their absent defenders. But Ferguson's tactics were complicit in that inbalance and it was the unavailability of Owen Hargreaves that was most keenly felt in the middle of the Rome park. Bought in response to the mauling United endured in the San Siro two years ago, Hargreaves would have been the bite to Fletcher's bark in midfield. In comparison, Anderson and Carrick were hopelessly inadequate and ill-suited to the task demanded. So Sir Alex has a dilemma to consider: does he take a gamble on Hargreaves returning as good as new after a minimum of essentially* 16 months on the sidelines or does he look to recruit another specialist holding midfielder this summer as a precaution against another midfield exposure?

* The jury's back in for Anderson and the verdict, on a charge relating to fraud and deception, has to be guilty. Perhaps he was unfit, perhaps he was undone by the occasion, or perhaps he is simply an average player masquerading as something better because of a ridiculous price tag. Whatever the reason, the reality of his situation in Rome was that he barely moved out of a meander, performed as if tackling had been outlawed from the game, and was a bystander to the movement of Xavi and Iniesta. In that inadequate respect, his non-performance was a near-identical repeat of his unfathomable failure to fill the void in front of United's defence that Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard relished when Liverpool ran amok at Old Trafford two months ago. His failure to heed that lesson is unforgivable - and may, as far as his United career is concerned, prove defining.

* Never let it be said again that Michael Carrick is a world-class performer. Especially not when Xavi and Iniesta are still resident on our planet.

* And forget, at least until Xavi's contract expires in 2014, about Cesc Fabregas returning to his home city. He wouldn't get a game in that Barcelona midfield.

* "It is difficult to leave Manchester United. The game is littered with players who have left us and will say that after Manchester United it is downhill" - Manchester United chief executive David Gill, speaking on the afternoon of May 27. On the evening of May 27, Gerard Pique didn't look too disappointed with life after United, did he?

* At least Ronaldo showed some fight. He'll no doubt be castigated by his envious critics on the basis of the scoreline but United did not possess a threat beyond their talisman and if criticism is to be meted then it ought to be in the direction of his team-mates. Not one can claim the satisfaction of a performance the equal of his reputation, especially not the leaden Nemanja Vidic. Sent off twice against Liverpool, and lucky not to be dismissed against both Arsenal and Villa in November, the Serb is in danger of becoming a big-match liability. With the turning speed of an ocean liner, he is perilously vulnerable against nippy, quick-footed opponents.

* Sir Alex is often better in defeat than he is in victory.

* It really is amateurville over on ITV. Poor sound, puddle-deep punditry, unfocused picture and not even the now mandatory clock and scoreline on screen. There's a nice line in The Guardian this morning about what the choice between ITV and Sky Sports represented: 'Those of us who speak football fairly fluently can settle down with Sky Sports, whereas those for whom it is a second language - and a poor second at that - will tune in for the big story, which for ITV was the continuing glory of Sir Alex and English football.'

And, no, unlike F365, The Guardian isn't owned by Mr Murdoch.

Pete Gill
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http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8742_5351763,00.html

Agree with all of the above.
 
maestro_za said:
A name change doesn't change the trophy ... 5 European cups for Liverpool against 3 European Cups for Man United is a fact.

*And by the way Liverpool have 2 treble seasons ... 1984 (European Cup / Title / League Cup) & 2001 (UEFA Cup, FA Cup & League Cup) in the locker.*

The same fact that United were played off the park by Barca last night.

Being a "cock" a-spaniel does no one favours :D
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2001 was a cup 'Treble'. A treble has to have the league in it, otherwise it is not a treble.

This year, no one is calling United's Treble a Treble, even though it is.

What matters more is how easily they won the league for the THIRD season in a row, never moving out of 2nd gear and often playing poorly, and how we equalled the record of 18 league titles.

:)
 
We dont care about plastic cups.

We challenge for the most important of the lot. THE CL!!!!!!

Go polish that Toyota cup of yours ;)

Was funny, you thought you would win 5 trophies. Hahahhahaha
 
Genius. said:
We dont care about plastic cups.

We challenge for the most important of the lot. THE CL!!!!!!

Go polish that Toyota cup of yours ;)

Was funny, you thought you would win 5 trophies. Hahahhahaha
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Interesting way to look at it. Sad that you will never know what dominating all the titles is like. Oh well.

Yeah, 5 trophies. One game away from the FA Cup final and runners-up in the CL. How very embarrassing. :rolleyes:
 
hj2k_x said:
2001 was a cup 'Treble'. A treble has to have the league in it, otherwise it is not a treble.

This year, no one is calling United's Treble a Treble, even though it is.

What matters more is how easily they won the league for the THIRD season in a row, never moving out of 2nd gear and often playing poorly, and how we equalled the record of 18 league titles.

:)
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The points margin and the development cycle of Manchester Utd compared to Liverpool actually shows that it wasn't the domination of old. The Reds are not far off for league honours now.

United have won many trophies this year yes ... a great achievement and I despise Man Utd.
 
Need i remind you that Barca has more trophies than United?

Dont make yourself look stupid, your team did that for you last night.
 
But Ferguson's tactics were complicit in that inbalance and it was the unavailability of Owen Hargreaves that was most keenly felt in the middle of the Rome park. Bought in response to the mauling United endured in the San Siro two years ago, Hargreaves would have been the bite to Fletcher's bark in midfield.
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Agreed. Hargreaves needs to come back from injury asap :(
 
Don't know why all the anti-man u's are freaking out so badly, yes we were beaten by a better team ON THE NIGHT, no doubt that barca outclassed man u last night, (and next sentence includes all supporters, barring the barca supporters):

What gives you the right to claim the victory over man u last night? did your team beat us in the final? NO ! only barca did...

so congrats to barca, the revenge match is on like donkey kong!

the rest of you barca bandwagon tossers can go cry in the corner once you realise that your team did nothing this season!

*The Reds go marching on, on, ON * !!!!!!!
 
You scary person. You know that? So if I support Chelsea - it is inconceivable for me to like another Spanish player... manager... whatever...

Pep is king and I don't care who puts that in his fscking sig.
 
The reds go marching on until the Barca train keeps on choooooooooooooooooooooo choooooooooooooooooooooooo 'ing on
 
Only peole supporting United last night was United supporters.

Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and every other club in the world supporters (bar Real madrid) were supporting Barca last night. They just love to see United fail.
 
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