Official Man United Supporters' Thread

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Excerpts from Red Issue

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They then went on a few hours later and posted this

https://twitter.com/RedIssue/status/445573756837433344

Andy Mittens lastest piece

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/manchesterunited/id/4561?cc=3888

His site which is members only went into more details about the bust up.

Kind of summarised audio with Mitten

https://soundcloud.com/bbc-world-service/outside-source-breaking-point?ocid=socialflow_twitter
 
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this extract sums up what I've been saying:

Liverpool supporters saw that under Rodgers last season even in a seventh place finish. They recognised a team trying to do the right things. But it would be charitable in the extreme to suggest Moyes is offering any such positives. It is difficult to see evidence of a coherent vision that could reap dividends in the long run.

exactly what I saw last season BR was actually doing good things and taking Pool places. Now all we hear is
It’s difficult to explain it,” he admitted. “It wasn’t what we expected. I’d said that the players looked in good shape and in good fettle but we just didn’t get to the standards that were required. I’ve not seen that (lack of confidence in training). I’ve seen confident and well-motivated players. I just think Liverpool played well.” No answers then. And no hope.


http://www1.skysports.com/football/...hat-next-for-david-moyes-at-manchester-united
 
Our form this year:
Won - 4
Drawn - 2
Lost - 8 (penalties with Sunderland counted as loss)

Fulham form this year:

Won - 3
Drawn - 4
Lost - 8

Either our players are as good as Fulhams or we have an incredibly inept manager.
 
Sources: Board turning against Moyes


Key Manchester United boardroom figures have now turned against David Moyes, as the prospect of the manager getting sacked has been properly raised for the first time, club sources have told ESPN FC.

The Glazer family owners are now more open to the idea of a change of manager, although they presently remain behind Moyes, but the next week could prove decisive, sources said. Over that time, United must overturn a 2-0 deficit in the Champions League against Olympiakos, before facing an awkward trip to West Ham United and then a potentially daunting second derby of the season against Manchester City.

While qualification for the quarterfinals of the Champions League would be seen as a huge positive and possibly change the entire dynamic of his job, an elimination followed by poor performances in the two games after that could well bring the pressure to breaking point. The Glazers are said to have become very "nervous" about the nature of recent performances, let alone the results, with a nadir coming in the 3-0 home defeat to Liverpool. Some United officials now openly maintain that a managerial change is needed.

Old Trafford sources also state it has been noted that Alex Ferguson is no longer so vocally backing Moyes at boardroom level, although the former manager is not said to have turned against his replacement. It is also believed Moyes retains the backing of Bobby Charlton.

Doubt, however, has increased at virtually every level of the club. Despite the poverty of recent performances, sources state that one of the most influential factors now has been financial concerns. A number of recently signed-up sponsors and commercial partners have reportedly let it be known to the club that they are less than enthused with now being linked to failure, especially since they specifically came on board because of the reputation for extreme success.

This is said to have most unnerved the hierarchy, and long-term damage to United as a "brand" could be the clinching point in any decision. While the club have long planned for a season out of the Champions League -- and that was known to be one initial reason behind the previously unwavering support for Moyes -- any extra negative effect on commercial revenue would be viewed with utmost seriousness.

Sources also state Louis van Gaal would be interested in a potential summer move to Old Trafford, and that the Dutch coach is a little less intent on the Tottenham Hotspur job than he was a few weeks ago. Spurs had felt that Van Gaal's appointment after the World Cup was virtually certain, but it is now more open-ended.

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...idering-replacing-david-moyes-manager?cc=3888
 
Not surprised. United is a business first and foremost and the Glazers need the investors and sponsors to stay happy so they can keep lining their pockets.
 
Interesting article:

Manchester United analysis: How David Moyes was unable to respond while losing battle of the tactics to Liverpool at Old Trafford

United manager seemed dazzled by Liverpool’s midfield diamond on Sunday

It is not known whether David Moyes went home on Sunday night and buried his head under the pillow for hours, as Sir Alex Ferguson did after Manchester United lost 5-1 at Maine Road in the days when Manchester City were more of a joke than a force – September 1989 – but he must have been tempted.

It was not just that his side was completely outplayed in losing 3-0 to Liverpool at Old Trafford, Moyes was utterly out-thought by his counterpart, Brendan Rodgers. Worryingly for United, Moyes was not only outfoxed at the start of the game, he seemed unable to come up with answers to Liverpool’s dominance during it.

It was not until the final 14 minutes of the game that he made a substitution, and until then his only tactical switch had been the basic one of asking Juan Mata and Adnan Januzaj to change flanks. Meanwhile United, two down at home to their bitterest rivals, were barely laying a boot on the ball.

Rodgers has deployed at least five starting formations this season, which makes Liverpool a difficult side to prepare for, but they had used a diamond midfield last time out at Southampton, with Raheem Sterling replacing Philippe Coutinho at the tip for the last 33 minutes. Sunday’s formation should not, then, have come as a complete surprise.

In theory United’s 4-2-3-1 line-up ought to have been able to expose Liverpool’s lack of width and the teenaged Sterling, up against two experienced internationals, should not have had a kick. In practice Jordan Henderson and Joe Allen, ably supported by the full-backs, prevented United making any headway on the flanks while Sterling led Marouane Fellaini and Michael Carrick a merry dance.

This was partly because those Liverpool players did very well, but also because of United’s inadequacies. In the centre Fellaini and Carrick appeared slow and lacking in mobility faced with Liverpool’s youthful vigour. It did not help that, with Nemanja Vidic and Phil Jones reluctant to push up because of their vulnerability to the pace of Daniel Sturridge and Luis Suarez, United were stretched. In addition Mata seemed lost on one flank and Januzaj isolated on the other.

Gary Neville on Sky Sports kept stating that Moyes “needed to change it” but the manager seemed to freeze. This is odd as, at Everton, Moyes was prepared to change tactics mid-match regularly. Talking to this newspaper at the start of the season, Pat Nevin – an old friend of Moyes but an astute pundit nevertheless – said Moyes was the equal of Jose Mourinho in the way he adapted tactically during games.

Nevin added that Moyes liked versatile players for this reason, picking out Fellaini, though he could also have mentioned the likes of Phil Neville, Leon Osman or Kevin Mirallas.

Fellaini is now at United, but does not seem to have found his métier there. At Everton he expressed a preference for a holding role, but produced his best performances in an advanced position, especially when using his physique to receive long balls from deep and play in team-mates.

However, not only do United traditionally not play that way, they already have Wayne Rooney and Mata wanting to play off the front man – and Januzaj, Ashley Young and the forgotten Shinji Kagawa capable of doing so. Which leaves Fellaini playing deep and, so far this season, innocuous.

What could Moyes have changed on Sunday? The standard response when being overrun in midfield is to match up to the opposition. Rooney could have pushed up alongside Robin van Persie, creating space for Mata to go to the top of the diamond. Carrick would have sat at the base, leaving Fellaini and Januzaj (or Tom Cleverley from the bench) to face Allen and Henderson. However, the suspicion is that Mata would not have prevented Steven Gerrard dictating play, but Sterling would have stopped Carrick from doing so.

The fundamental problem for Moyes is that United’s confidence is shot to pieces, collectively and individually. For all their territorial dominance Liverpool created few clear chances prior to United being reduced to 10 men. They scored from penalties conceded by poor defending, the sort of mistakes which happen when a team is under pressure and mentally frail.

Confidence is far easier to lose than gain. Only a run of victories will restore it, but winning matches requires confidence. Exacerbating matters is that players may be lacking faith in Moyes – or at least blaming him and his staff rather than themselves.

More specifically, United lack a commanding central defender with pace to replace the waning Vidic and Rio Ferdinand. They have no dominant central midfielder, and there are too many attackers of a similar style. And, so far, it is still not clear what Moyes’ grand plan is.

The summer’s transfer dealings are now critical to the club’s revival but, without Champions League football, and with a cloud over Moyes’ future, buying the best will be difficult, especially in a World Cup year.

Rodgers has had one big advantage over Moyes this year. With no European fixtures and early exits from the domestic cups, Liverpool have played 34 matches. United play their 44th against Olympiakos tomorrow. Both men are tracksuit managers, but Rodgers has had 10 midweeks extra to impart his philosophy on the training ground and hone tactics ahead of matches. Increasingly, it seems next year this imbalance will be reversed. Then we should see Moyes’ United vision – if he is still in charge.
 
David Moyes: Making a mockery of a great club and a hypocrite of me.

Much more in the link.

He is the amiable dipsh*t bloke your sister has been dating for months who, because he’s thick as pig-t*rd, is hurting her more and more deeply through his thoughtlessness by the day. He can’t see what he’s doing or acknowledge that it’s a problem that can only be rectified by changing or accepting that it might be best for them to part ways. At first you watch and counsel your sister, hoping he’ll change. Then you take him out for a pint and have a polite word. Then, after months of your own flesh and blood crying on your shoulder, there comes a time when polite patience turns to anger and venom. He’s not a bad person, not someone you’d loathe as a human being, but for what he’s doing to someone you love, you begin to despise him. Using this analogy, I currently have said boyfriend pinned up against a wall by his throat, making it clear that if he doesn’t f**k off and leave my sister alone I’m going to do him some serious harm. Simultaneously you feel utter bewilderment that your sister doesn’t end the affair herself. Why are you staying with this man who is making you truly and utterly miserable, unpicking your mental stitches one by one? You’ll have to excuse me if I ramble, because I’m working this through as I write, but I think I now hate Moyes for what his gross professional negligence is doing to a football club that I dearly adore, nearly, I think, almost as much as I love my own sister. Is that personalisation? F**ked if I know. I hate his stubbornness, his inaction, his despairing, “oh dear, the players have let me down again, face”. I’m sick of the *****ing sight of him. Nice, honest, hard-working fool that he is. Do the decent thing, hand in your resignation letter and leave the country. If you’re struggling with the wording you’ll find several million volunteers to lend a hand.

I'm getting the feeling he doesn't like Moyes.
 
Sources: Board turning against Moyes


Key Manchester United boardroom figures have now turned against David Moyes, as the prospect of the manager getting sacked has been properly raised for the first time, club sources have told ESPN FC.

The Glazer family owners are now more open to the idea of a change of manager, although they presently remain behind Moyes, but the next week could prove decisive, sources said. Over that time, United must overturn a 2-0 deficit in the Champions League against Olympiakos, before facing an awkward trip to West Ham United and then a potentially daunting second derby of the season against Manchester City.

While qualification for the quarterfinals of the Champions League would be seen as a huge positive and possibly change the entire dynamic of his job, an elimination followed by poor performances in the two games after that could well bring the pressure to breaking point. The Glazers are said to have become very "nervous" about the nature of recent performances, let alone the results, with a nadir coming in the 3-0 home defeat to Liverpool. Some United officials now openly maintain that a managerial change is needed.

Old Trafford sources also state it has been noted that Alex Ferguson is no longer so vocally backing Moyes at boardroom level, although the former manager is not said to have turned against his replacement. It is also believed Moyes retains the backing of Bobby Charlton.

Doubt, however, has increased at virtually every level of the club. Despite the poverty of recent performances, sources state that one of the most influential factors now has been financial concerns. A number of recently signed-up sponsors and commercial partners have reportedly let it be known to the club that they are less than enthused with now being linked to failure, especially since they specifically came on board because of the reputation for extreme success.

This is said to have most unnerved the hierarchy, and long-term damage to United as a "brand" could be the clinching point in any decision. While the club have long planned for a season out of the Champions League -- and that was known to be one initial reason behind the previously unwavering support for Moyes -- any extra negative effect on commercial revenue would be viewed with utmost seriousness.

Sources also state Louis van Gaal would be interested in a potential summer move to Old Trafford, and that the Dutch coach is a little less intent on the Tottenham Hotspur job than he was a few weeks ago. Spurs had felt that Van Gaal's appointment after the World Cup was virtually certain, but it is now more open-ended.

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1...idering-replacing-david-moyes-manager?cc=3888

It's the best #$%^ news I've heard since Sunday! Lets hope it's true :)
 

Very nice article. Instead of the easy route of ''MoyesOut'', it highlights glaring inadequacies and issues beyond the gaffer.

Moyes is not an r-tard. What is going on will hurt him. He's an astute manage that has presided over a side that not even the top-4 could roll over in seasons past. Something is not right at the club and I believe it is not just him. Some of those players just do not belong there anymore and others need to take a look at themselves in the mirror.
 
It's the best #$%^ news I've heard since Sunday! Lets hope it's true :)

I read the article and can't help thinking the maybe 90% of it is based on shyte the writer made up. I not saying that some of it might not turn out to be true, just saying he made most of it up.

Just my feeling. Could be that Fergie had a nice chat with someone, but started it off with. "Off the record" or "Don't quote me on this."
 
Very nice article. Instead of the easy route of ''MoyesOut'', it highlights glaring inadequacies and issues beyond the gaffer.

Moyes is not an r-tard. What is going on will hurt him. He's an astute manage that has presided over a side that not even the top-4 could roll over in seasons past. Something is not right at the club and I believe it is not just him. Some of those players just do not belong there anymore and others need to take a look at themselves in the mirror.

Moyes entire attitude is wrong and not the United way.

After the Liverpool game he said United need to be hard to beat and that's why he's not United material.

No mention of attacking flair or prowess or invention or creativity. No we me just be a *** team to play against.

That's why I want him gone. He's simply not big enough for United.
 
Moyes entire attitude is wrong and not the United way.

After the Liverpool game he said United need to be hard to beat and that's why he's not United material.

No mention of attacking flair or prowess or invention or creativity. No we me just be a *** team to play against.

That's why I want him gone. He's simply not big enough for United.

+1, he isn't cut out for this job, it is obvious.
 
I read the article and can't help thinking the maybe 90% of it is based on shyte the writer made up. I not saying that some of it might not turn out to be true, just saying he made most of it up.

Just my feeling. Could be that Fergie had a nice chat with someone, but started it off with. "Off the record" or "Don't quote me on this."

Miguel Delaney is a very respectable source, hes called many things in advance of other journalists.
 
Something is not right at the club and I believe it is not just him. Some of those players just do not belong there anymore and others need to take a look at themselves in the mirror.

I agree with this.
 
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