Official Super Rugby 2014 Thread

[Devill]

Dont think I have to defend my opinion cause that is what is MY opinion and by all means you may differ but thinking of better ball-fetchers and that is the role Kolosi must fill, Heinrich Brussow or Francios Louw comes to mind. At the current moment we have great ball runner but no fetchers.

Brussow was branded by NZ and AUS as a South African thug the samething they called Bakkies so physicality is not a problem

Louw did not receive a contract...

1) Brussouw is an injury risk. also he has not been at his best since his big injury two years ago (?). I really would love to see him back to his best, and I am sure then he would merit a bok contract.

2) Flouw is based overseas and IIRC that disqualifies you from getting a bok contract? If not I am extremely surprised that he has not received one as he has been our premier "fetcher".

Touche (don't know how to make kappie on e )

And I think it may be that he is based overseas and that is the reason he did not get a contract.

Kolisi is a basher and not a fetcher. I can't remember Schalk's heydays, but wasn't he the same sort of player. And Kolisi has proven he can the same job Schalk can

'n akkuut aksent

Kolisi is a great player and is still very young thus I am very happy that he has been included. Also it might serve to keep him in SA when the Euro clubs come a knocking

They use the first 5 rounds of Super 15 as their warm up games...

HAHAHAHAHA

I have no problem with that everyone is entitled to there own opinion and I respect that, just dont force yours on to me.

We are just all pretty passionate about our opinions. If you have some time go read an old thread where we "discussed" Morne Steyn vs Ruan Pienaar for Flyhalf back in the day

I doubt anyone meant to be overly aggressive, it is just that this is a rugby discussion thread and you can expect everyone wanting to be heard, just like in the pub.

PS. Talking about pubs, would any of you guys in Cape Town want to watch a S15 rugby game as a MyBB group sometime this year?

 

[Werner Harding]

1) Brussouw is an injury risk. also he has not been at his best since his big injury two years ago (?). I really would love to see him back to his best, and I am sure then he would merit a bok contract.

2) Flouw is based overseas and IIRC that disqualifies you from getting a bok contract? If not I am extremely surprised that he has not received one as he has been our premier "fetcher".



'n akkuut aksent

Kolisi is a great player and is still very young thus I am very happy that he has been included. Also it might serve to keep him in SA when the Euro clubs come a knocking



HAHAHAHAHA



We are just all pretty passionate about our opinions. If you have some time go read an old thread where we "discussed" Morne Steyn vs Ruan Pienaar for Flyhalf back in the day

I doubt anyone meant to be overly aggressive, it is just that this is a rugby discussion thread and you can expect everyone wanting to be heard, just like in the pub.

PS. Talking about pubs, would any of you guys in Cape Town want to watch a S15 rugby game as a MyBB group sometime this year?

Thank you, appreciate the comment

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Touche (don't know how to make kappie on e )

alt+136 = ê, but you're looking for é, which is alt + 130.

And I think it may be that he is based overseas and that is the reason he did not get a contract.

Kolisi is a basher and not a fetcher. I can't remember Schalk's heydays, but wasn't he the same sort of player. And Kolisi has proven he can the same job Schalk can

Possibly, and yes. I think Kolisi is more akin to Schalk than Louw. Hard presence, great to-ruck time, can bash when he needs to.

And my point being is we are talking about contracts, you guys dont like Spies should his fans now try to convince you that he needs to be in the Bok squad? Am I not allowed to voice my opinion? I dont care if you dont like it, it is still my opinion you wont change my mind. If Kolisi was that good you dont need to defend him?

HM never gave Brussow a chance, dont get me wrong I dont like Brussow's why of playing it is similiar to Richie Mccaw, he plays the ball illegally and gets away with it. That being said I still feel Brussow is the beter option in the nr 6 jersey for the Boks.

Lets agree to disagree.

Does anyone know if the Stormers are playing a warm up game 8 Feb @ Newlands?

Who said you aren't allowed to voice your opinion?

We're just unpacking each other's ideas.

 

[sand_man]

Bottomline, SA is blessed with a plethora of world class loose forwards!!

Wish we had this problem at centre, flyhalf and fullback!! Even props we baron!! Locks, adequate!! Wings plenty, scrumhalves are like loose forwards in SA although HM chooses to ignore the best of them (Rory Kockott). Hookers, we produce the best in the world!!

 

[Werner Harding]

Bottomline, SA is blessed with a plethora of world class loose forwards!!

Wish we had this problem at centre, flyhalf and fullback!! Even props we baron!! Locks, adequate!! Wings plenty, scrumhalves are like loose forwards in SA although HM chooses to ignore the best of them (Rory Kockott). Hookers, we produce the best in the world!!

I do not want HM's job. You will never be able to keep everyone happy, the fans, Saru and now a days even political parties

 

[sand_man]

I do not want HM's job. You will never be able to keep everyone happy, the fans, Saru and now a days even political parties

Agreed. Springbok coach is quite possibly the toughest sports job in the world!!

 

[APoc184]

Nick Mallet told us last year that unless somebody really badly needs the money, he does not understand why anybody would coach in South Africa.

He was pretty straight forward in his opinion of SA Rugby administration and the amount of interference SA coaches face from the boardrooms.

He has received 13 offers from professional clubs/unions to come and coach them. He declined all of them immediately.

 

[Devill]

Bottomline, SA is blessed with a plethora of world class loose forwards!!

Wish we had this problem at centre, flyhalf and fullback!! Even props we baron!! Locks, adequate!! Wings plenty, scrumhalves are like loose forwards in SA although HM chooses to ignore the best of them (Rory Kockott). Hookers, we produce the best in the world!!

I agree mostly.

I think we have enough good - great loosehead props. Tightheads are the problem.

Also we have enough good centres, we just do not normally play a game that brings them into the spotlight that much. Think Jaques Fourie, Jean de Villiers, Serfontein, JJ Engelbrecht (for a youngster he stands up to must "greats" in the current international setup), Juan de Jong, Frans Steyn, Eberson.....

I do not want HM's job. You will never be able to keep everyone happy, the fans, Saru and now a days even political parties

Agreed. Springbok coach is quite possibly the toughest sports job in the world!!

Haha, true. I think the only thing that makes everyone happy is if you win the WC with the needed BEE players, 7.5 players from each union, a captain that has played for all the provinces, and if you play one game with a 10 man game plan and another with a much more free spirited game plan

 

[DJ...]

Bottomline, SA is blessed with a plethora of world class loose forwards!!

Wish we had this problem at centre, flyhalf and fullback!! Even props we baron!! Locks, adequate!! Wings plenty, scrumhalves are like loose forwards in SA although HM chooses to ignore the best of them (Rory Kockott). Hookers, we produce the best in the world!!

I think we are fine at flyhalf and fullback if HM sticks with a specific rotation of set players. No more experiments, please. Centre-pairing is a concern though - Jean isn't always at his best and who do you pair him with? We've been very light on centres in recent times...

 

[sand_man]

Nick Mallet told us last year that unless somebody really badly needs the money, he does not understand why anybody would coach in South Africa.

He was pretty straight forward in his opinion of SA Rugby administration and the amount of interference SA coaches face from the boardrooms.

He has received 13 offers from professional clubs/unions to come and coach them. He declined all of them immediately.

That's shocking and very sad, although not altogether surprising. What is surprising is that despite all the politics in SA rugby we still manage to do so well on the international stage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Imagine how well we would do if everyone was pulling in the same direction!!!!!!!???? Like what happens in NZ!!!????

IT PISSES ME OFF BIGTIME!!!!!

 

[sand_man]

I agree mostly.

I think we have enough good - great loosehead props. Tightheads are the problem.

Also we have enough good centres, we just do not normally play a game that brings them into the spotlight that much. Think Jaques Fourie, Jean de Villiers, Serfontein, JJ Engelbrecht (for a youngster he stands up to must "greats" in the current international setup), Juan de Jong, Frans Steyn, Eberson.....

Yeah, agree to some extent on the props. Tighthead is like the flyhalf of the forward pack so critical not to have a dominant 3!

I think we are fine at flyhalf and fullback if HM sticks with a specific rotation of set players. No more experiments, please. Centre-pairing is a concern though - Jean isn't always at his best and who do you pair him with? We've been very light on centres in recent times...

It was less than 2 seasons ago that Elton Jantjies ran out at FNB stadium in a test against the AB's so no, we not fine flyhalf.

Morne Steyn horribly out of form and Johan Goosen unable to make it through 5 consecutive matches without serious injury... Pat Lambie is the transvestite of the squad. 'Am I a fullback or am I a flyhalf....???'

Consideing Zane Kirchner is our first choice 15 I would say we not fine at fullback either...

 

[Werner Harding]

Yeah, agree to some extent on the props. Tighthead is like the flyhalf of the forward pack so critical not to have a dominant 3!



It was less than 2 seasons ago that Elton Jantjies ran out at FNB stadium in a test against the AB's so no, we not fine flyhalf.

Morne Steyn horribly out of form and Johan Goosen unable to make it through 5 consecutive matches without serious injury... Pat Lambie is the transvestite of the squad. 'Am I a fullback or am I a flyhalf....???'

Consideing Zane Kirchner is our first choice 15 I would say we not fine at fullback either...

It's still early days. We might even see some great flyhalfs and fullbacks come trough the ranks as more youngsters are seen in Super Rugby for example Pollard is a great Flyhalf, I just belive that experience is counting against him.

I think SA teams will have a great tournement this year.

 

[sand_man]

It's still early days. We might even see some great flyhalfs and fullbacks come trough the ranks as more youngsters are seen in Super Rugby for example Pollard is a great Flyhalf, I just belive that experience is counting against him.

I thank SA teams will have a great tournement this year.

No question. I think the depth is definitely there and we strong at age group rugby too but with the world cup a year and a half away I'm looking for short term solutions.

I fully fit and firing Johan Goosen would be like gold to SA in 2015. He is such a talent. He has the potential to be one of the greats but with every serious injury his peak potential is reduced. You never recover 100% from a serious injury. That injury stays with you for life. Only guy I've ever seen come back stronger was Tim Horan, 1999 RWC!!

Pollard is a very good prospect! Will be interesting to see how he has matured since last year! I thought he was adequate at CC level but a couple of paces off Super 15 level. A good understudy to MS though...

 

[Devill]

I think we are fine at flyhalf and fullback if HM sticks with a specific rotation of set players. No more experiments, please. Centre-pairing is a concern though - Jean isn't always at his best and who do you pair him with? We've been very light on centres in recent times...

Jean with Jaque? Jean with Steyn? Jean with JJ? Jean with Serfontein?

I think we have enough quality centres in SA. I also think a player like Frans Steyn at inside and someone like Serfontein at outside centre will benefit us on the slower field come WC rugby time.

Yeah, agree to some extent on the props. Tighthead is like the flyhalf of the forward pack so critical not to have a dominant 3!

Agree 100%. I am a bit worried that Jannie is a walking yellow card and we do not really have a replacement for him Coenie dit well enough last year though so all is not lost.

It was less than 2 seasons ago that Elton Jantjies ran out at FNB stadium in a test against the AB's so no, we not fine flyhalf.

Morne Steyn horribly out of form and Johan Goosen unable to make it through 5 consecutive matches without serious injury... Pat Lambie is the transvestite of the squad. 'Am I a fullback or am I a flyhalf....???'

Consideing Zane Kirchner is our first choice 15 I would say we not fine at fullback either...

Haha, I am looking forward to seeing Lambie given a full go at no. 10 this season for the sharks.

I do still believe that he is a better no. 15.

Also I think Le Roux is a step ahead of Zane atm with regards to the no 15 jersey.

It's still early days. We might even see some great flyhalfs and fullbacks come trough the ranks as more youngsters are seen in Super Rugby for example Pollard is a great Flyhalf, I just belive that experience is counting against him.

I thank SA teams will have a great tournement this year.

I think pollard will make a great inside centre if he does not shape as flyhalf.

No question. I think the depth is definitely there and we strong at age group rugby too but with the world cup a year and a half away I'm looking for short term solutions.

I fully fit and firing Johan Goosen would be like gold to SA in 2015. He is such a talent. He has the potential to be one of the greats but with every serious injury his peak potential is reduced. You never recover 100% from a serious injury. That injury stays with you for life. Only guy I've ever seen come back stronger was Tim Horan, 1999 RWC!!

Pollard is a very good prospect! Will be interesting to see how he has matured since last year! I thought he was adequate at CC level but a couple of paces off Super 15 level. A good understudy to MS though...

I agree. Goosen will be great if he can stay injury free, but I fear that will not be the case

 

[DJ...]

I'm in agreement with you guys. My opinion is that it is high time that we stick with some pairings instead of experimenting. We have the talent so let's nurture it now. No more flipping between positions with the entire backline...

 

[Werner Harding]

I think pollard will make a great inside centre if he does not shape as flyhalf.



Agree

 

[Devill]

I'm in agreement with you guys. My opinion is that it is high time that we stick with some pairings instead of experimenting. We have the talent so let's nurture it now. No more flipping between positions with the entire backline...

I think (and hope ) that is what HM will do from here on in. Barring a show of excellent form the Bok group I believe is pretty settled.

 

[craigdoepie]

I think (and hope ) that is what HM will do from here on in. Barring a show of excellent form the Bok group I believe is pretty settled.

I just hope a scrumhalf can stick up his hand and do a proper job. Besides for Fourie du Preez, our scrumhalfs has been lacking. But on the other hand, it also comes down to our style of play.

Did anybody see the article on CT wanting to host a Boks vs World 15 match. Should be really interesting if it does happen.

 

[sand_man]

Scrumhalves are our most exported backline player. Neil De Kock, Fourie DuPreez, Jano VerMaak, Michael Claasens, Rory Kockott and Ruan Pienaar.

 

[Devill]

Scrumhalves are our most exported backline player. Neil De Kock, Fourie DuPreez, Jano VerMaak, Michael Claasens, Rory Kockott and Ruan Pienaar.

I had high hopes when vermaak joined the bok group, then I thought great Kockott will get a call up because of his great form in Europe.... alas we are stuck with RP