So if they win this weekend we are now again in your eyes a great team?
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So if they win this weekend we are now again in your eyes a great team?
I am Penguin
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I never said its not a great team, I stated that we lost because OZ "fixed" their team and PDV did not respond with the best decissions on how to beat them. Some ook's keep on missing the point. The same can be asked of YOU, if we loose are we then still the greatest team? or God forbid, if we loose the tri-nations? What will your excuse be?
Ou grote
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We can have Semenya on the bench as cover for the wings.
Seems he'll be available soon.
:erm: Yes beating the Aussies 2/3 times and (hopefully after this weekend beating the All Blacks 2/3 times is just a terrible track record
Ou grote
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The Aussies are actually a pretty good team, their losses wern't that bad in this series.
Before the Tri Nations started they were rated higher than us.
I saw their warmup games and they were pretty good.
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Yes but remember by penguins logic 1/5 wins > 4/5 wins.......
That is your logic, you have nothing to say so just harper on the same point. But i am patient and know not every kid in the block was issued with the same intelect.
Ou grote
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Yes but remember by penguins logic 1/5 wins > 4/5 wins.......
Outcomes based education FTW!
O come on you were telling us how the Aussies were the better team after last weekend... Im sure I can quote you on that more than once .....
ROFL
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Therefore my statement that the changes Dean made was the reason we lost the last test match and not per se' the way the boks played. You only look as good as you are allowed to by the competition. IMHO it was rather the idiotic PDV that called the wrong shots and the fact that Fourie was neutralized by illegal unsighted tactics. But anyway some id'..s may think differently than me so instead of giving reasons and facts they harper on the same old statisticall FUD and try and make a mockery of all facts giving by me, pitbull and others but no matter we are grown-up Boks supporters and we know where they come from.
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O come on you were telling us how the Aussies were the better team after last weekend... Im sure I can quote you on that more than once .....
ROFL
They are now the better team untill proven wrong, so we will see in the next OZ test Saturday next.
:erm: You are having that maths problem again... even if the beat NZ in the last game that gives them 2/6...
We have already won 4.....
So we were / are the better team in the tri nations.
Ou grote
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Therefore my statement that the changes Dean made was the reason we lost the last test match and not per se' the way the boks played. You only look as good as you are allowed to by the competition. IMHO it was rather the idiotic PDV that called the wrong shots and the fact that Fourie was neutralized by illegal unsighted tactics. But anyway some id'..s may think differently than me so instead of giving reasons and facts they harper on the same old statisticall FUD and try and make a mockery of all facts giving by me, pitbull and others but no matter we are grown-up Boks supporters and we know where they come from.
We have been in the same situation as the Aussies before, well a few times.
I don't know if you remeber Carel du Plessis' last game in charge.
Sometimes a team just gets itself together and kicks some butt.
Lets see how the do against the AB's.
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Thats what I said, I hope at least they (OZ) will win the AB if we loose against them on Saturday. That is IF' the AB's do not convince them to do them a favour. I think that happened before!
sand_man
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I don't quite follow... He didn't really do anything extraordinary in this test in relation to the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th. In fact one of the fundamental sources of our success this year has been continuity in team selection (few injuries), continuity in our game plan which is kick and chase/hope and as shown in the 4th game of the series the ability to diversify our strategy and game plan which we did with quite stunning efficiency(32-13 up with 10 minutes to play, it was a hiding).
Perhaps it was idiotic of him to play Ruan at fullback but I suspect it's more Dick persisting with Ruan and trying to find a position for him in the starting 15 than it is PDV seeing as Dick is the Natal coach and the back line coach.. But that's been the only change!!!
So I don't follow all the idiotic wrong shots he's been calling.
As already explained Jacobs come on for an injured Habana, Steyn couldn't as he would be subbing Ruan late in the 2nd half, a decision probably taken a week before kick off. Danie and Schalk came on for Brussouw and Bakkies as they always do. Fresh legs, super sub, call it what you want, it's taken for granted as a standard, widely used tactic...
If the Boks have a weakness it's the inability to adapt to how a ref on any particular day blows the game. The ambiguity of how the laws/rules are interpreted by varying refs from varying hemispheres is proving to be the biggest challenge facing the Boks, this team and every team since post isolation so it's not a coach specific problem.
We forever blame the ref cause we never able to adapt where the Ozzies and NZlanders can. They just cleverer than our lads. That's the hard, honest truth...
sand_man
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Let me shock and surprise you with another stat.
We won the 2004 Tri-nations after winning 2/4 games by virtue of a single bonus point, so 50% win ratio was enough to win the competition that year. WD JAKE!!!
This season 80% (4/5) win ratio and it's still going down to the last 2 fixtures!!!!! but to be honest it's game set and match SA...
NZ are dreaming if they think they going to win it from here. Mathematically they have a shot but if I had a millions bucks I would bet on the Boks taking it from here...
Jip I know and I repeat that to all the JW fan boys
And I really think if we beat NZ on saturday we will have proven we are the top team this year... but still beating them 3/3 times iis going to be hard.
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The issue with Ruaan was problem 1, The issue of "forced" non required replacements during the second half and far too late to make an impact is number two, The fact that the game plan does not change when we see it is failing is number three. Having excess baggage on the bench is number four. Many other valid points was raised by a few more since we lost the test. point is we now have it harder to beat NZ who now are going all out to try and nail us in the scrum, also they have much more confidence seeing how the wannaby's outplayed us. Then we have the possibility to rely on OZ to play well against NZ and deny them any bonus point. This scenario changed in one single game from where it was ours to loose the Tri-nations to one that we will have to fight on Saturday to win. We should strive to win the game first and then the rest will fall in place.
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Still got problems with the team, Bakkies isnt 100%, so is Spies, and Habana has been recieving treatment, we got so many guys there who are more than capable of standing up, why dont we use them? They stole Muller from the sharks only to leave him out? Kanko is there but his not on the bench, he put in Rossouw as a replacement for Spies??? I think we can pull of a win but its going to be alot more tough than it suppose to be because of those ones. I see NZ got Donald and Carter, left foot/ right foot combo.
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Jip I know and I repeat that to all the JW fan boys
And I really think if we beat NZ on saturday we will have proven we are the top team this year... but still beating them 3/3 times iis going to be hard.
Why can we not beat them a third time? We are the best not? All I am saying is that the same scenario is playing itself out again, If we loose the Tri-Nations we will forever deserve the label of chokers!