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Ongoing Israeli-Palestinian Violence
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OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
This seems to be the law that's used. It doesn't say anything about only Muslims being allowed to pray there, but it seems that was the practical result that followed.
And I can't find anything in the treaty itself about it.
But do you think the religious ban has nothing to do with it? Jews have been praying at the wall since the destruction of the 2nd Temple in 70AD. It's not like it's a new measure to try and accommodate Muslims.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/furor-temple-mount
So for the most part Jews haven't been praying there anyway. Sounds like it was a politically useful policy to put in place as it made religious and political sense.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
DEADLY JERUSALEM SYNAGOGUE ATTACK HORRIFIES ISRAEL
by Hazel Ward
Five Israelis were killed in Jerusalem's bloodiest attack for years when two Palestinians armed with a gun and meat cleavers ran amok among worshippers in a Jerusalem synagogue on Tuesday.
It was a rare assault on a place of worship and sent shockwaves through the country, raising fears that the Israel-Palestinian conflict was taking on a more dangerous religious dimension.
Four of the victims were Israelis with dual nationality -- three US citizens and a Briton, police said. Israel's leading ultra-Orthodox website said they were all rabbis.
A policeman, Zidan Saief, 30, died later of his wounds.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed a harsh response to the bloodshed, and pledged to demolish the homes of the perpetrators in line with a policy announced earlier this month.
"We are at the height of an ongoing terror attack focused on Jerusalem," he said, describing it as "a battle" over the fate of the Holy City.
"This evening, I ordered the destruction of the homes of the Palestinians who carried out this massacre and to speed up the demolition of those who carried out previous attacks," he said, referring to the homes of those behind four earlier attacks in the city.
Abbas condemned the killings, but Hamas welcomed the attack, with masked Palestinian militants in southern Gaza holding up knives and axes next to posters of the attackers while others handed out cakes in celebration, an AFP correspondent said.
US President Barack Obama called for calm after what he described as a "horrific attack", urging Israelis and Palestinians to work together to "lower tensions, reject violence and seek a path forward towards peace".
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon condemned the attack and lamented a worsening of the wider situation.
"The steadily worsening situation on the ground only reinforces the imperative for leaders on both sides to make the difficult decisions that will promote stability and ensure long-term security for both Israelis and Palestinians," he said.
The bloodshed took place as months of unrest gripped Jerusalem's annexed Arab eastern sector, resulting in a string of deadly attacks by lone Palestinians.
But none was as serious as Tuesday's killings at the synagogue in an ultra-Orthodox neighbourhood on the city's western outskirts as worshippers gathered for morning prayers.
The attack began shortly before 7:00 am (0500 GMT) when the assailants burst in, waving meat cleavers and a gun at the synagogue in a Jewish seminary in Har Nof.
Four people were killed immediately and at least eight wounded, with eyewitnesses saying several people had limbs hacked off.
The policeman died later.
The attackers, who were killed during a gunbattle with police, were identified as Uday and Ghassan Abu Jamal, cousins from Jabal Mukaber in east Jerusalem. Both were in their 20s.
Analysts warned a harsh Israeli response could potentially escalate a situation already fraught with tension.
"This event has the potential of being a game changer," said Kobi Michael, senior researcher at the Institute for National Security Studies.
Witnesses spoke of a bloodbath.
"Two people came out with their faces half missing, looking like they'd been attacked with knives," resident Sarah Abrahams told AFP as hundreds of ultra-Orthodox Jews pressed up against the police tape, a few chanting "Death to terrorists."
Emergency worker Moti Bukchi said the scene was "harrowing".
"Inside the synagogue some were wounded by gunshots, others had chopped off limbs caused by a meat cleaver," he told AFP.
Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat also expressed shock at the savagery of the attack which took place just over a mile (1.5 kilometres) from the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum.
"To slaughter innocent people while they pray... it's insane," he said.
Har Nof is also close to the former Palestinian village of Deir Yassin where Jewish militias massacred more than 100 villagers in 1948.
The last such attack was in March 2008 when a Palestinian gunman killed eight students at Mercaz HaRav yeshiva just two kilometres away before being shot dead.
In Jabal Mukaber, police rounded up the perpetrators' family members, sparking clashes with stone-throwing youths, relatives said. Police confirmed arresting nine people.
Arab east Jerusalem has been a tinderbox since early July when Jewish extremists killed a 16-year-old Palestinian in revenge for the murder of three Jewish teenagers, sparking a wave of violence which has shown no sign of letting up.
Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon vowed to hunt down those who sent the perpetrators "both inside and outside Israel's borders".
But Netanyahu called for the public to "respect the law" and warned Israelis against revenge attacks.
"It is forbidden for anyone to take the law into their own hands, even if tempers are high and even if you're burning with anger," he said.
Israel police commissioner Yohanan Danino pledged to beef up security around both synagogues and mosques, and said police would be on alert to prevent further violence and revenge attacks, including so-called "price tag" hate crime by Jewish extremists.
US Secretary of State John Kerry condemned the attack as an "act of pure terror and senseless brutality," and called on the Palestinian leadership to denounce it.
But Hamas called for further attacks, saying it was a "response" to the death Sunday of an east Jerusalem bus driver found hanged inside his vehicle.
Israeli pathologists ruled out foul play but a Palestinian doctor who attended the autopsy suggested he had been murdered.
Source : Sapa-AFP /nsm
Date : 19 Nov 2014 01:36
by Hazel Ward
Five Israelis were killed in Jerusalem's bloodiest attack for years when two Palestinians armed with a gun and meat cleavers ran amok among worshippers in a Jerusalem synagogue on Tuesday.
It was a rare assault on a place of worship and sent shockwaves through the country, raising fears that the Israel-Palestinian conflict was taking on a more dangerous religious dimension.
Four of the victims were Israelis with dual nationality -- three US citizens and a Briton, police said. Israel's leading ultra-Orthodox website said they were all rabbis.
A policeman, Zidan Saief, 30, died later of his wounds.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed a harsh response to the bloodshed, and pledged to demolish the homes of the perpetrators in line with a policy announced earlier this month.
"We are at the height of an ongoing terror attack focused on Jerusalem," he said, describing it as "a battle" over the fate of the Holy City.
"This evening, I ordered the destruction of the homes of the Palestinians who carried out this massacre and to speed up the demolition of those who carried out previous attacks," he said, referring to the homes of those behind four earlier attacks in the city.
Abbas condemned the killings, but Hamas welcomed the attack, with masked Palestinian militants in southern Gaza holding up knives and axes next to posters of the attackers while others handed out cakes in celebration, an AFP correspondent said.
US President Barack Obama called for calm after what he described as a "horrific attack", urging Israelis and Palestinians to work together to "lower tensions, reject violence and seek a path forward towards peace".
UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon condemned the attack and lamented a worsening of the wider situation.
"The steadily worsening situation on the ground only reinforces the imperative for leaders on both sides to make the difficult decisions that will promote stability and ensure long-term security for both Israelis and Palestinians," he said.
The bloodshed took place as months of unrest gripped Jerusalem's annexed Arab eastern sector, resulting in a string of deadly attacks by lone Palestinians.
But none was as serious as Tuesday's killings at the synagogue in an ultra-Orthodox neighbourhood on the city's western outskirts as worshippers gathered for morning prayers.
The attack began shortly before 7:00 am (0500 GMT) when the assailants burst in, waving meat cleavers and a gun at the synagogue in a Jewish seminary in Har Nof.
Four people were killed immediately and at least eight wounded, with eyewitnesses saying several people had limbs hacked off.
The policeman died later.
The attackers, who were killed during a gunbattle with police, were identified as Uday and Ghassan Abu Jamal, cousins from Jabal Mukaber in east Jerusalem. Both were in their 20s.
Analysts warned a harsh Israeli response could potentially escalate a situation already fraught with tension.
"This event has the potential of being a game changer," said Kobi Michael, senior researcher at the Institute for National Security Studies.
Witnesses spoke of a bloodbath.
"Two people came out with their faces half missing, looking like they'd been attacked with knives," resident Sarah Abrahams told AFP as hundreds of ultra-Orthodox Jews pressed up against the police tape, a few chanting "Death to terrorists."
Emergency worker Moti Bukchi said the scene was "harrowing".
"Inside the synagogue some were wounded by gunshots, others had chopped off limbs caused by a meat cleaver," he told AFP.
Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat also expressed shock at the savagery of the attack which took place just over a mile (1.5 kilometres) from the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum.
"To slaughter innocent people while they pray... it's insane," he said.
Har Nof is also close to the former Palestinian village of Deir Yassin where Jewish militias massacred more than 100 villagers in 1948.
The last such attack was in March 2008 when a Palestinian gunman killed eight students at Mercaz HaRav yeshiva just two kilometres away before being shot dead.
In Jabal Mukaber, police rounded up the perpetrators' family members, sparking clashes with stone-throwing youths, relatives said. Police confirmed arresting nine people.
Arab east Jerusalem has been a tinderbox since early July when Jewish extremists killed a 16-year-old Palestinian in revenge for the murder of three Jewish teenagers, sparking a wave of violence which has shown no sign of letting up.
Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon vowed to hunt down those who sent the perpetrators "both inside and outside Israel's borders".
But Netanyahu called for the public to "respect the law" and warned Israelis against revenge attacks.
"It is forbidden for anyone to take the law into their own hands, even if tempers are high and even if you're burning with anger," he said.
Israel police commissioner Yohanan Danino pledged to beef up security around both synagogues and mosques, and said police would be on alert to prevent further violence and revenge attacks, including so-called "price tag" hate crime by Jewish extremists.
US Secretary of State John Kerry condemned the attack as an "act of pure terror and senseless brutality," and called on the Palestinian leadership to denounce it.
But Hamas called for further attacks, saying it was a "response" to the death Sunday of an east Jerusalem bus driver found hanged inside his vehicle.
Israeli pathologists ruled out foul play but a Palestinian doctor who attended the autopsy suggested he had been murdered.
Source : Sapa-AFP /nsm
Date : 19 Nov 2014 01:36
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
ISRAEL VOWS HARSH RESPONSE TO SYNAGOGUE ATTACK
By JOSEF FEDERMAN
Associated Press
Israel vowed harsh retaliation Tuesday for a Palestinian attack that left four rabbis hacked or shot to death on the blood-smeared floor of a synagogue in Jerusalem, a major escalation of already-high tensions after weeks of religious violence.
The attack during morning prayers in the west Jerusalem neighborhood of Har Nof was carried out by two Palestinian cousins wielding meat cleavers, knives and a handgun. They were shot to death by police after the deadliest assault in the holy city since 2008.
Three of the dead were born in the United States and the fourth was born in England, although all held dual Israeli citizenship. Six others were wounded, including two police officers.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas condemned the attack, the first time he has done so in the wave of deadly violence against Israelis. But he also called for an end to Israeli "provocations" surrounding Jerusalem's shrines that are sacred to both Muslims and Jews.
President Barack Obama called the attack "horrific" and without justification, urging cooperation from both sides to ease tensions and adding that too many Israelis and Palestinians have died in recent months,
Tuesday's attack, however, appeared to mark a turning point, with the gruesome scene in a house of worship shocking a nation long accustomed to violence.
The government released a photo of a bloody meat cleaver it said came from the crime scene. Government video showed blood-soaked prayer books and prayer shawls on the floor of the synagogue. A pair of glasses lay under a table dripping in blood, and thick streaks of blood lined the floor.
"I saw people lying on the floor, blood everywhere," said Yosef Posternak, who was at the synagogue in the quiet neighborhood that has a large community of English-speaking immigrants.
"People were trying to fight with (the attackers) but they didn't have much of a chance," Posternak told Israel Radio.
In one of Israel's first acts of retaliation, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the demolitions of the homes of the attackers. But halting further violence could prove to be a tough challenge as police confront a new threat: Lightly armed assailants from annexed east Jerusalem who hold residency rights that allow them to move freely throughout the country.
Netanyahu condemned the deaths of "four innocent and pure Jews." In a nationally televised address, he accused Abbas of inciting the recent violence and said the Palestinian leader's condemnation of the attack was insufficient.
Hamas, the militant Palestinian group that runs the Gaza Strip, praised the attack. In Gaza, dozens celebrated in the streets, with some offering trays full of candy.
The U.S.-born victims were identified as Moshe Twersky, 59, Aryeh Kupinsky, 43, and Kalman Levine, 55. The Israeli Foreign Ministry said the British man was Avraham Goldberg, 68, who immigrated to Israel in 1993.
It described all four men as "rabbis," an honorific title in the ultra-Orthodox world given to men who are considered pious and learned. Twersky, a native of Boston, was the head of the Toras Moshe Yeshiva, a seminary for English-speaking students. He was the son of Rabbi Isador Twersky, founder of Harvard University's Center for Jewish Studies, and a grandson Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik, a luminary in the world of modern Orthodox Jewry.
All four lived on the same street. Thousands of people attended a joint funeral for Kupinsky, Levine and Goldberg before sundown- held outside the synagogue where they were killed.
In recent weeks, Jerusalem has seen its worst sustained bout of violence since a Palestinian uprising a decade ago. Palestinian assailants have carried out a pair of deadly attacks by ramming their cars into crowded train stations, while a gunman shot and seriously wounded a Jewish activist who has campaigned for greater access to the holy site.
The hilltop compound, in Jerusalem's Old City, has been at the heart of the tensions. It is revered by Jews as the Temple Mount, the site of the ancient Hebrew temples. For Muslims, it is the Noble Sanctuary, home to the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the iconic gold-topped Dome of the Rock.
Under a longstanding arrangement, Jews are permitted to visit but not to pray. A growing number of visits by Jewish worshippers, many who seek the right to pray there, has drawn Muslim accusations that Israel is secretly trying to take over the site and sparked violent clashes between young Palestinians and Israeli police.
Netanyahu has repeatedly said he will not change that arrangement, but the violence has spread beyond Jerusalem, with deadly stabbings in Tel Aviv and the West Bank last week, while the fatal shooting of a young Arab protester in northern Israel by police - apparently as he was walking away from an officer - has added to the tensions.
Late Tuesday, several hundred Jewish youths marched through downtown Jerusalem, blocking traffic and chanting, "Death to Arabs." Police reported at least 10 arrests.
Police identified the synagogue attackers as Ghassan and Oday Abu Jamal, cousins from the Jabal Mukaber neighborhood in east Jerusalem.
Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the assailants were killed in a shootout with police that left one officer critically wounded. He said police were still trying to determine how the men had chosen their target.
Mohammed Zahaikeh, a social activist in Jabal Mukaber, said he did not know whether the cousins were politically active. He said Ghassan was 27, married with two young children and worked in a clothing store. Oday, 21, was not married and was an interior decorator. He said both men were quiet, and residents were surprised by the attack.
Clashes later broke out outside the assailants' home, where dozens of police officers had converged. Residents hurled stones at police, who responded with tear gas and stun grenades. Residents said 14 members of the Abu Jamal family were arrested.
The violence has created a special security challenge for Israel. Where Palestinian violence has traditionally been carried out by organized militant groups based in the West Bank or Gaza, most of the recent attacks have been done by perpetrators from east Jerusalem acting on their own.
Israel captured east Jerusalem in the 1967 Mideast war and later annexed the area, while the Palestinians claim it as their capital. Although the annexation is not internationally recognized, the more than 200,000 Arab residents of east Jerusalem have Israeli residency rights that allow them to move freely throughout the country. In contrast, West Bank residents and Gazans need Israeli permission to enter.
"There is no solution in the world of intelligence to the problem of a lone wolf who decides in the morning to launch an attack in the afternoon," said Cabinet Minister Yaakov Peri, a former director of the Shin Bet internal security agency.
He said the "only solution is very strong deterrence," such as swiftly demolishing the homes of attackers.
Netanyahu has vowed to revive the policy of home demolitions, which Israel halted in 2005 after determining it wasn't an effective deterrent. Israeli officials have reversed their opinion, and Netanyahu has ordered stepped-up demolitions.
The Israeli leader flew to Jordan last week for talks with King Abdullah II, who holds custodial rights over the Jerusalem mosque compound.
The two men agreed to take steps to lower tensions at the holy site. But on Monday, rumors spread that a Palestinian bus driver had been killed by Jewish assailants. Although forensics experts ruled the death a suicide, Palestinian youths clashed with Israeli police.
Israeli media reported Tuesday that Yoram Cohen, the current Shin Bet head, told lawmakers in a closed meeting that Abbas was not interested in inciting Palestinians to use violence against Israelis.
Cohen tied his assertion to his belief that widespread Palestinian violence against Israelis would undermine Abbas's political standing, the reports said.
The attack was the deadliest in Jerusalem since a Palestinian assailant killed eight students at a Jewish seminary in March 2008.
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Associated Press writers Mohammed Daraghmeh and Fares Akram in Gaza City, Gaza Strip and Matthew Lee in London contributed to this report.
Source : Sapa-AP /ks
Date : 18 Nov 2014 23:45
By JOSEF FEDERMAN
Associated Press
Israel vowed harsh retaliation Tuesday for a Palestinian attack that left four rabbis hacked or shot to death on the blood-smeared floor of a synagogue in Jerusalem, a major escalation of already-high tensions after weeks of religious violence.
The attack during morning prayers in the west Jerusalem neighborhood of Har Nof was carried out by two Palestinian cousins wielding meat cleavers, knives and a handgun. They were shot to death by police after the deadliest assault in the holy city since 2008.
Three of the dead were born in the United States and the fourth was born in England, although all held dual Israeli citizenship. Six others were wounded, including two police officers.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas condemned the attack, the first time he has done so in the wave of deadly violence against Israelis. But he also called for an end to Israeli "provocations" surrounding Jerusalem's shrines that are sacred to both Muslims and Jews.
President Barack Obama called the attack "horrific" and without justification, urging cooperation from both sides to ease tensions and adding that too many Israelis and Palestinians have died in recent months,
Tuesday's attack, however, appeared to mark a turning point, with the gruesome scene in a house of worship shocking a nation long accustomed to violence.
The government released a photo of a bloody meat cleaver it said came from the crime scene. Government video showed blood-soaked prayer books and prayer shawls on the floor of the synagogue. A pair of glasses lay under a table dripping in blood, and thick streaks of blood lined the floor.
"I saw people lying on the floor, blood everywhere," said Yosef Posternak, who was at the synagogue in the quiet neighborhood that has a large community of English-speaking immigrants.
"People were trying to fight with (the attackers) but they didn't have much of a chance," Posternak told Israel Radio.
In one of Israel's first acts of retaliation, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the demolitions of the homes of the attackers. But halting further violence could prove to be a tough challenge as police confront a new threat: Lightly armed assailants from annexed east Jerusalem who hold residency rights that allow them to move freely throughout the country.
Netanyahu condemned the deaths of "four innocent and pure Jews." In a nationally televised address, he accused Abbas of inciting the recent violence and said the Palestinian leader's condemnation of the attack was insufficient.
Hamas, the militant Palestinian group that runs the Gaza Strip, praised the attack. In Gaza, dozens celebrated in the streets, with some offering trays full of candy.
The U.S.-born victims were identified as Moshe Twersky, 59, Aryeh Kupinsky, 43, and Kalman Levine, 55. The Israeli Foreign Ministry said the British man was Avraham Goldberg, 68, who immigrated to Israel in 1993.
It described all four men as "rabbis," an honorific title in the ultra-Orthodox world given to men who are considered pious and learned. Twersky, a native of Boston, was the head of the Toras Moshe Yeshiva, a seminary for English-speaking students. He was the son of Rabbi Isador Twersky, founder of Harvard University's Center for Jewish Studies, and a grandson Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik, a luminary in the world of modern Orthodox Jewry.
All four lived on the same street. Thousands of people attended a joint funeral for Kupinsky, Levine and Goldberg before sundown- held outside the synagogue where they were killed.
In recent weeks, Jerusalem has seen its worst sustained bout of violence since a Palestinian uprising a decade ago. Palestinian assailants have carried out a pair of deadly attacks by ramming their cars into crowded train stations, while a gunman shot and seriously wounded a Jewish activist who has campaigned for greater access to the holy site.
The hilltop compound, in Jerusalem's Old City, has been at the heart of the tensions. It is revered by Jews as the Temple Mount, the site of the ancient Hebrew temples. For Muslims, it is the Noble Sanctuary, home to the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the iconic gold-topped Dome of the Rock.
Under a longstanding arrangement, Jews are permitted to visit but not to pray. A growing number of visits by Jewish worshippers, many who seek the right to pray there, has drawn Muslim accusations that Israel is secretly trying to take over the site and sparked violent clashes between young Palestinians and Israeli police.
Netanyahu has repeatedly said he will not change that arrangement, but the violence has spread beyond Jerusalem, with deadly stabbings in Tel Aviv and the West Bank last week, while the fatal shooting of a young Arab protester in northern Israel by police - apparently as he was walking away from an officer - has added to the tensions.
Late Tuesday, several hundred Jewish youths marched through downtown Jerusalem, blocking traffic and chanting, "Death to Arabs." Police reported at least 10 arrests.
Police identified the synagogue attackers as Ghassan and Oday Abu Jamal, cousins from the Jabal Mukaber neighborhood in east Jerusalem.
Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said the assailants were killed in a shootout with police that left one officer critically wounded. He said police were still trying to determine how the men had chosen their target.
Mohammed Zahaikeh, a social activist in Jabal Mukaber, said he did not know whether the cousins were politically active. He said Ghassan was 27, married with two young children and worked in a clothing store. Oday, 21, was not married and was an interior decorator. He said both men were quiet, and residents were surprised by the attack.
Clashes later broke out outside the assailants' home, where dozens of police officers had converged. Residents hurled stones at police, who responded with tear gas and stun grenades. Residents said 14 members of the Abu Jamal family were arrested.
The violence has created a special security challenge for Israel. Where Palestinian violence has traditionally been carried out by organized militant groups based in the West Bank or Gaza, most of the recent attacks have been done by perpetrators from east Jerusalem acting on their own.
Israel captured east Jerusalem in the 1967 Mideast war and later annexed the area, while the Palestinians claim it as their capital. Although the annexation is not internationally recognized, the more than 200,000 Arab residents of east Jerusalem have Israeli residency rights that allow them to move freely throughout the country. In contrast, West Bank residents and Gazans need Israeli permission to enter.
"There is no solution in the world of intelligence to the problem of a lone wolf who decides in the morning to launch an attack in the afternoon," said Cabinet Minister Yaakov Peri, a former director of the Shin Bet internal security agency.
He said the "only solution is very strong deterrence," such as swiftly demolishing the homes of attackers.
Netanyahu has vowed to revive the policy of home demolitions, which Israel halted in 2005 after determining it wasn't an effective deterrent. Israeli officials have reversed their opinion, and Netanyahu has ordered stepped-up demolitions.
The Israeli leader flew to Jordan last week for talks with King Abdullah II, who holds custodial rights over the Jerusalem mosque compound.
The two men agreed to take steps to lower tensions at the holy site. But on Monday, rumors spread that a Palestinian bus driver had been killed by Jewish assailants. Although forensics experts ruled the death a suicide, Palestinian youths clashed with Israeli police.
Israeli media reported Tuesday that Yoram Cohen, the current Shin Bet head, told lawmakers in a closed meeting that Abbas was not interested in inciting Palestinians to use violence against Israelis.
Cohen tied his assertion to his belief that widespread Palestinian violence against Israelis would undermine Abbas's political standing, the reports said.
The attack was the deadliest in Jerusalem since a Palestinian assailant killed eight students at a Jewish seminary in March 2008.
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Associated Press writers Mohammed Daraghmeh and Fares Akram in Gaza City, Gaza Strip and Matthew Lee in London contributed to this report.
Source : Sapa-AP /ks
Date : 18 Nov 2014 23:45
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
This said, where two nations denies human rights to each other. I don't pick any side here, both sides are wrong and there is zero consensus between the two to seek a viable solution in order to promote integration. In this scenario, there will always be unrest, violence and probable war.
OrbitalDawn covered the Temple Mount debacle between the territories in his posts. Then also the old city (walled) in the new city (Jerusalem). It is clear that disturbances between the two nations are caused due to religious, political and ideological reasons, each denying the other.
I did mention that Abbas had his quirks while the PLO was dominant, which was also the time the Muslim Brotherhood had the opportunity to politically launch Hamas to represent them amongst the Palestinians. There is much history here.
I do question how the Israeli government is structured, minority parties ordering the IDF, the IDF practising their own legal rights above the government. Radical parties issuing 'illegal' occupation... tell me, what is going on here?
The fact remains that by Israeli law, Jews are not allowed to pray at the Temple Mount. And the fact also remains that this is as a result of keeping peace with the Arabs. Doesn't matter how you twist it.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Yeah, by their own religious restrictions. Doesn't matter how you twist it.
marine1
Honorary Master
I see the Muslim Judicial Council is supporting BDS, well there is a surprise.
Full on war going on between these 2 religions, like it or not
Full on war going on between these 2 religions, like it or not
Your entire hypothesis is incorrect. You equate Israel, a democracy that has constitutionally mandated equality for all its citizens, irrespective of religion or race, with that of the Hamas and Fatah, both of whom call for the destruction of the state of Israel. And in the case of Hamas for the death of all Jews (as per article 7 of their covenant.)
The PA has a policy of wanting a Judenrein West Bank (an area that was ruled by Jordan, before being won by Israel in a defensive war) and has laws that mandate the death penalty for anyone selling land to Jews. Compare that to the full and equal rights of all Arab Israelis. Your claim that minority parties "order the IDF" is wrong; the ministry of defence gives orders. The Liberal/left wing Supreme Court of Israel reviews all IDF policies, and has often revoked or changed them. Israel prosecutes those of its citizens who have attacked Arabs; the PA in contrast lauds the killers of Jews as national heroes.
Right wing secular Israelis don't care about religious restrictions. So you're wrong.
So why arent they allowed to pray there?
There is a reason, im curious to know if you know why.
Fulcrum29
Honorary Master
Why don't you quote me the Judenrein West Bank policy by the PA?
Reading your post, it is equality to occupy (and empower eviction orders) the territories in dispute which is why there are active sanctions by the EU, also conditions disputed by the UN. Am I wrong?
The last eviction order was campaigned by the Yisrael Beiteinu and The Jewish Home political parties, the same parties which called on the reoccupation in the Gaza Strip. It was their notion to expropriation the approx. 1,000 acres which was announced by Netanyahu on which the IDF responded. It is the IDF Civil Administration taking to their own MoD policies to increase state-ownership by expropriation West Bank lands.
So tell me on what basis is the Israeli Supreme Court,
1) Liberal, and
2) Left-wing?
While you are at it providing me answers to the above questions, provide me the equality policies by the Yisrael Beiteinu (12 / 120 seats in Knesset) and The Jewish Home (12 / 120 seats in Knesset)?
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Right wing secular Israelis aren't the Jews that want to pray at the Temple Mount. So you're wrong. Prayer is banned there by their own religious restrictions.
So by your reckoning, nobody Jewish wants to pray on Temple Mount, and thus there's no issue?
(Your false reckoning).
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Of course there are those that want to. Don't think they're secular, though.
Doesn't change the fact that the ban is a religious one. They even make the point themselves.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/aiming-to-stymie-pilgrims-rabbis-reiterate-ban-on-temple-mount-visits/
Palestinian Land Law calls for the death of those who sell land to Jews. Abbas is on record of saying no Jew would be welcome in a future Palestinian state.
Yes, you are wrong, as I clearly stated that Israel has constitutionally mandated equality for all its citizens. Arab Palestinians living in Gaza and W.Bank are not citizens of Israel.
For one, the Supreme Court of Israel—unique among the world’s judiciaries—exercises control over military decisions that are challenged under the rule of law as creating undue risks to civilians. Many security laws have been amended or repealed due to human rights concerns.
I hope you are able to differentiate between Israeli law which mandates equality, and manifestos of minority political parties. Also, I hope you admit that no Israeli political party has anything resembling Hamas' covenant, which calls for the murder of all Jews.
LOL! How exactly does quoting from the official propaganda organ of the Iranian regime prove that Israel is not a democracy with equality for all its citizens enshrined in law? The journal which translated her facebook page has subsequently removed the claims.
Here's another quote from PressTV, "Iran follows this issue (the eradication of Israel) with determination and decisiveness and will never ever withdraw from this standpoint and policy," the Iranian president added in the interview with the Al-Manar network.