Ongoing Palestinian terror attacks against Israel.

[marine1]

Why are civilians deaths by terrorism any more reprehensible than civilian deaths inflicted by an army? The dead people certainly don't know the difference.

By definition the terrorists are attacking innocents

The army are defending the citizens

 

[Cray]

No actually a barbaric animal that kills innocent kids with a knife is exactly that a barbaric terrorist

But if the IDF use a laser guided bomb to kill Palestinian children...

 

[marine1]

Lol when painted in a corner throw insults.
Lol so funny.

 

[Cray]

By definition the terrorists are attacking innocents

The army are defending the citizens

Because all those dead Palestinian woman and children where physically attacking Israel when they where killed?

 

[Xarog]

Lol when painted in a corner throw insults.
Lol so funny.

What corner?

Do you miss the fact that even removing the insults entirely that nonetheless your argument has been completely refuted, and you can't defend it further?

By definition the terrorists are attacking innocents

The army are defending the citizens

ORRRRRR, the Palestinians are legitimately resisting an occupation which tramples on the human rights of innocents and the IDF is resorting to terror to attempt to quell a natural desire for self-determination.

 

[marine1]

Because all those dead Palestinian woman and children where physically attacking Israel when they where killed?

Do we really have to go through this again?
Firstly stop voting hamas into power
Secondly stop calling for death of Jews
Third . Stop teaching your kids to stab Jews
4th stop going to marches where just about every pallie calls for death to news
5th stop allowing hamas and other terrorists to operate where you live.
6th ......jeeez this is so repetitive

 

[OrbitalDawn]

By Israeli terrorists? 0

Living in your own world again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_tag_policy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_price_tag_attacks

 

[Xarog]

Do we really have to go through this again?

Well, since you don't seem to learn...

Firstly stop voting hamas into power

Not an argument.

Secondly stop calling for death of Jews

Sure, as soon as the Israelis stop calling for the death of Arabs.

Third . Stop teaching your kids to stab Jews

Stop teaching your kids to hate Arabs.

4th stop going to marches where just about every pallie calls for death to news

Same goes for Israelis.

5th stop allowing hamas and other terrorists to operate where you live.

Same goes for IDF.

6th ......jeeez this is so repetitive

So actually address the arguments for once instead of spreading your opinion everywhere like its gospel and ignoring the glaring weaknesses in what amounts to an argument based on bias and emotional favouritism? It's the only way the repetition is gonna stop.

 

[Fudzy]

Sees photos on social media that affirms his confirmation bias
Posts them in this thread
Gets pwned
Rinse and repeat.

 

[Cray]

5th stop allowing hamas and other terrorists to operate where you live.
6th ......jeeez this is so repetitive

Your failure to acknowledge that the oppression of Palestinians by Israel is the root cause of all the things you cite and you constantly fail to acknowledge this. I notice you claim in other threads that this is all about religion, because in your mind that gives Israel an excuse to never back down as "who can decide which religion is better". The moment you accept that this is about illegal occupation and land grabbing you have to accept how immoral the occupation and illegal settlements are.

 

[hellfire]

Well, since you don't seem to learn...


Not an argument.


Sure, as soon as the Israelis stop calling for the death of Arabs.

Hardly the same scale

Stop teaching your kids to hate Arabs.

Where is this institutionlised in Israel?

Same goes for Israelis.

Hardly the same scale

Same goes for IDF.


So actually address the arguments for once instead of spreading your opinion everywhere like its gospel and ignoring the glaring weaknesses in what amounts to an argument based on bias and emotional favouritism? It's the only way the repetition is gonna stop.

You have bigots, racists and haters in every society.
However, hatred and violence have been institutionalized (into education, mosque, media, government, summer camps etc etc) in Gaza and the PA controlled territories.
That hasn't happened in Israel. Mickey Mouse Club House Hebrew version doesn't have progamming extolling the virtues of martyrdom and calling for the flood of Arab blood in the streets.

 

[TheJman]

Sure, as soon as the Israelis stop calling for the death of Arabs.

So question, do you think that the calling for the death of Jews is justified and do you do so yourself?

Stop teaching your kids to hate Arabs.

As much as I agree that there are extremists in Israel, the hate that is taught to arab children is on a 'national' scale, this is evident in the school circular which includes the praising of terrorists and that killing Jews is a good thing, evidence of such is that 13 year old children are now carrying out terror attacks - clearly showing that the school circular is actually working and that these poor children are being used as tools and brainwashed into believing that killing is bad...

Same goes for Israelis.

Same goes for IDF.

Israel infrastructure is in no way hiding military equipment, the presence of military equipment in residential areas is as a means of defence and not as a form of offence, evidence of this is the presence of the Iron Dome Defence System, which is used to protect Israelis from hamas rocket fire. The difference here being that hamas is hiding it's infrastructure in civilian infrastructure as a means to protect the rockets and ammunition and launch offence attacks therefrom, thereby using the civilian population as shields rather than trying to defend civilian infrastructure

 

[Alan]

Because all those dead Palestinian woman and children where physically attacking Israel when they where killed?

By your logic the strategic bombing campaign against Germany is no different to the systemic murder of Jews in the holocaust

Your failure to acknowledge that the oppression of Palestinians by Israel is the root cause of all the things you cite and you constantly fail to acknowledge this. .

Probably because it's not true. You may believe that, you may also believe pigs can fly but it doesn't change the facts...

 

[Xarog]

So question, do you think that the calling for the death of Jews is justified and do you do so yourself?

No and no. I don't think anyone calling for the death of anyone based on any kind of general criteria is justified in their actions. How many times do I have to repeat myself on this?

The point here, which everyone seems to be missing, is that the Israelis can't cry foul over the Palestinians behaviour when the Israeli behaviour is exactly the same. And that goes for people picking sides in the conflict, too.

As much as I agree that there are extremists in Israel, the hate that is taught to arab children is on a 'national' scale, this is evident in the school circular which includes the praising of terrorists and that killing Jews is a good thing, evidence of such is that 13 year old children are now carrying out terror attacks - clearly showing that the school circular is actually working and that these poor children are being used as tools and brainwashed into believing that killing is bad...

Same can be said for the fundamentalist Zionists teaching their kids about Eretz Israel and how its theirs because God promised it to them, and how they're entitled to have the land because of the Shoah etc. etc.

Hatred and prejudice take on many forms, and you always find at the core some kind of sentiment of victimhood. Again, the Palestinians and the Israelis are alike in this, there is no distinguishing the two groups based on behaviour in this regard.

Israel infrastructure is in no way hiding military equipment, the presence of military equipment in residential areas is as a means of defence and not as a form of offence,

Wrong. Israel has been very cynical in placing many of its defensive structures inbetween Israeli Arab areas, presumably to discourage attacks on those installations from other countries in the Middle East.

evidence of this is the presence of the Iron Dome Defence System, which is used to protect Israelis from hamas rocket fire.

Lol. Yeah, and Israel's bases and arnament factories aren't anywhere near civilian population centres. Riiiiight.

The difference here being that hamas is hiding it's infrastructure in civilian infrastructure as a means to protect the rockets and ammunition and launch offence attacks therefrom, thereby using the civilian population as shields rather than trying to defend civilian infrastructure

Go ahead, show me some place in Gaza that you can shoot from without being in amongst civilians or their buildings. It's an open air prison and the most densely populated area on the planet.

Hardly the same scale

Lol. And exactly what are the relative scales then?

Where is this institutionlised in Israel?

See above.

Hardly the same scale

Ipse dixit.

You have bigots, racists and haters in every society.

I'm glad we agree on something.

However, hatred and violence have been institutionalized (into education, mosque, media, government, summer camps etc etc) in Gaza and the PA controlled territories.

Yeah, let's study some more of that holocaust history and remind everyone just how much more the Jews are deserving of the Promised Land than the Goyim...

That hasn't happened in Israel. Mickey Mouse Club House Hebrew version doesn't have progamming extolling the virtues of martyrdom and calling for the flood of Arab blood in the streets.

Yeah, the arab stuff is pretty crude. But that the Israelis are more clever about it does not preclude the fact that it's there. And frankly the more suave it is, the more effective it is, so in an ironic sense the stuff the PA churns out is not as bad cuz at least you can see it for what it is a mile off.

 

[Xarog]

By your logic the strategic bombing campaign against Germany is no different to the systemic murder of Jews in the holocaust

When it comes to Dresden, you would be absolutely correct.

Probably because it's not true. You may believe that, you may also believe pigs can fly but it doesn't change the facts...

So bring the "facts", then, Alan. Let's see how well they measure up to scrutiny.

 

[hellfire]

No and no. I don't think anyone calling for the death of anyone based on any kind of general criteria is justified in their actions. How many times do I have to repeat myself on this?

The point here, which everyone seems to be missing, is that the Israelis can't cry foul over the Palestinians behaviour when the Israeli behaviour is exactly the same. And that goes for people picking sides in the conflict, too.



Same can be said for the fundamentalist Zionists teaching their kids about Eretz Israel and how its theirs because God promised it to them, and how they're entitled to have the land because of the Shoah etc. etc.

Hatred and prejudice take on many forms, and you always find at the core some kind of sentiment of victimhood. Again, the Palestinians and the Israelis are alike in this, there is no distinguishing the two groups based on behaviour in this regard.



Wrong. Israel has been very cynical in placing many of its defensive structures inbetween Israeli Arab areas, presumably to discourage attacks on those installations from other countries in the Middle East.



Lol. Yeah, and Israel's bases and arnament factories aren't anywhere near civilian population centres. Riiiiight.



Go ahead, show me some place in Gaza that you can shoot from without being in amongst civilians or their buildings. It's an open air prison and the most densely populated area on the planet.


Lol. And exactly what are the relative scales then?


See above.


Ipse dixit.



I'm glad we agree on something.


Yeah, let's study some more of that holocaust history and remind everyone just how much more the Jews are deserving of the Promised Land than the Goyim...


Yeah, the arab stuff is pretty crude. But that the Israelis are more clever about it does not preclude the fact that it's there. And frankly the more suave it is, the more effective it is, so in an ironic sense the stuff the PA churns out is not as bad cuz at least you can see it for what it is a mile off.

I'm pretty much going to ask for a source for your assertions

 

[Cray]

By your logic the strategic bombing campaign against Germany is no different to the systemic murder of Jews in the holocaust

History is written by the victors, the firebombing of Dresden by the Allies could just as easily qualify as a war crime.

Probably because it's not true. You may believe that, you may also believe pigs can fly but it doesn't change the facts...

You and marine keep mentioning facts but you link precious little of them in you posts... What, in your opinion then, is the root cause?

 

[Cray]

When it comes to Dresden, you would be absolutely correct.


So bring the "facts", then, Alan. Let's see how well they measure up to scrutiny.

Lol, beat me to it on both counts...

 

[Xarog]

I'm pretty much going to ask for a source for your assertions

I asked first.

 

[hellfire]

I asked first.

Not from me