Open relationships

Princess_Anie said:
Um, no one on a tech forum has commented on an off topic thread? Small sample group, no?

Okay: I am in a polyamorous marriage. I have been married for 9 years and my husband and I both have romantic relationships with other people. Everyone knows about the relationships and everyone knows each other. Honesty and communication are key. Look at www.polyamory.co.za. I got married because I wanted to spend the rest of my life with my husband, but not without having other people in my life.

Also I am 31, as is my husband. My boyfriend is 29 and other members of the local poly group range from 25-60yrs, although most are under 45. The ZAPoly group was started by a woman. I started the CapeTownPoly group and we have mostly women as the driving force of the groups.

Ethical non-monogamy is something you might want to look into for other forms of open relationships.
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Humans are so weird. They want strings attached but they don't want the rope to be too tight. Mention to them that they can skip the rope altogether but that too isn't good enough. :wtf:
 
Point of an open relationship in my opinion is : You are attracted to your wife/gf for personality reasons, and this obviously being the most important qualities of a relationship, but you aren't attracted to her sexually, hence you or her wanting an open relationship, because you still want her as a person and don't want to lose her because she does make you happy emotionally, just not sexually unfortunately, so I feel you or her just wanna go out there and just have sex with someone you find attractive, not to feel the emotions, but purely just so you can jizz etc. i'm sure alot of guys will know what I am trying to say.
 
Endzeut said:
Point of an open relationship in my opinion is : You are attracted to your wife/gf for personality reasons, and this obviously being the most important qualities of a relationship, but you aren't attracted to her sexually, hence you or her wanting an open relationship, because you still want her as a person and don't want to lose her because she does make you happy emotionally, just not sexually unfortunately, so I feel you or her just wanna go out there and just have sex with someone you find attractive, not to feel the emotions, but purely just so you can jizz etc. i'm sure alot of guys will know what I am trying to say.
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I follow. But...

If I am not enough for all your needs, GTFO. And vice verse.
 
Not something you want to do in an HIV infested country
 
I love my husband and I love sex with him. I am attracted to him emotionally, physically and mentally. That doesn't mean I am not attracted to other people. Nothing will make me not find other people attractive too, but I would go monogamous for him. Luckily he also finds other people attractive and we have a working and happy lifestyle that allows for it. I have many friends who please me emotionally and mentally, and no one makes me give them up. I love multiple people, some of them romantically.

I am not poly for the sex. In fact most of my relationships have been long distance, so not much sex. I love to love, in the emotional sense. As for safe sex, how many of you do the following before starting on a sexual relationship?
HIV test
Chlamydia test
Herpes test
Gonorrhea test
pap smear or check up

Then while having sex:
Always condoms or femidoms
gloves and dental dams (activity based)

I am very careful as it is not only my health at risk, but the health of my loved ones.

Marriage is about more than monogamy. It is about making a commitment to work through problems, to help each other and do our best to care for each other. It is also about taxes, property ownership and next of kin. I don't have a rope attaching me to my husband, I have love and respect attaching me. And I have been married for 9 years, without wanting a divorce. Many of my mono friends are divorced, perhaps they saw marriage as a rope.
 
Well glad to see at least one person stays safe and sees more than one STI threat
 
There are loads of things out there that can't be cured. I want to get the HPV vaccine as soon as I can afford it. Medical Aid won't pay.
 
Princess_Anie said:
There are loads of things out there that can't be cured. I want to get the HPV vaccine as soon as I can afford it. Medical Aid won't pay.
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You have also discovered the HIV vaccine that the medical research community is still on the hunt for? Medical aid doesn't pay because it doesn't exist, but you obviously have discovered it. I suggest you contact the Nobel prize committee
 
R13... said:
You have also discovered the HIV vaccine that the medical research community is still on the hunt for? Medical aid doesn't pay because it doesn't exist, but you obviously have discovered it. I suggest you contact the Nobel prize committee
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HPV not HIV
 
R13... said:
You have also discovered the HIV vaccine that the medical research community is still on the hunt for? Medical aid doesn't pay because it doesn't exist, but you obviously have discovered it. I suggest you contact the Nobel prize committee
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Read her post again. :D
 
Ever went to or hosted a LAN, where you did not share certain stuff? My wife is not my property, but I do not share holes, by receiving her permission I and only I can enjoy those moments. I also feel that there is nothing wrong reading the menu, although I have already ordered and received my meal and am very much indeed satisfied with my choice. Another thing is that I have not yet finished my meal and only time will tell if I will order a side dish or return the meal for being not all that good, the plate must be finished somehow (which in my current case, till death do us part).
 
R13... said:
You have also discovered the HIV vaccine that the medical research community is still on the hunt for? Medical aid doesn't pay because it doesn't exist, but you obviously have discovered it. I suggest you contact the Nobel prize committee
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Technically there is kinda a HIV vaccine, but ethtics wont allow us to obtain it. A prostitute somewhere in africa has so many strains of the virus she is uneffected by the virus. She has become a true carrier of HIV, unfortunately she is one of a kind and the ethical issue wont allow us to put her in a test tube.

Read the article loong ago forgot the details.
 
RiaX said:
Technically there is kinda a HIV vaccine, but ethtics wont allow us to obtain it. A prostitute somewhere in africa has so many strains of the virus she is uneffected by the virus. She has become a true carrier of HIV, unfortunately she is one of a kind and the ethical issue wont allow us to put her in a test tube.

Read the article loong ago forgot the details.
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If it's not documented (linky), it didn't happen.
 
RiaX said:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8918278

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/23/kenya.aids

http://www.fasebj.org/content/15/10/1795.full

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/may/27/aids.features

I read a article in SAMJ (south african medical journal) but I cant get that article as you have to pay for it and I cant remember when I read it
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Modelling of the time to HIV-1 seroconversion showed that the incidence of HIV-1 seroconversion decreased with increasing duration of exposure
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This to me seems like their bodies adapted and provided a natural resistance to it (being lucky that the flu or something hasn't killed them in the past few years). This does indeed make them special, but I don't see how it provides us with a vaccine? It's not like you can simply take something from her blood and apply it to a different person. It's not that she has the vaccine, only that her body is sort of learning to resist her personal mutation of the virus.

Given that 43 of the 239 women remained seronegative actually suggests that this is not one special person, but that anyone who survives long enough with the disease (and with a little bit of luck) could develop their own resistance to it. This, as the paper states, "could be important to HIV-1 vaccine research", but does not provide a vaccine. In my opinion probably only a better understanding of the mutation.
 
you know how vaccines are made?
 
RiaX said:
you know how vaccines are made?
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Do you? You're going to be tooting your own horn about how you work in the pharmaceutical industry (like on other forums you're registered) aren't you? :p For all I know you could be the cleaner there.

Given that there are millions of mutations of the HIV virus from host to host, I do not see how these women can be used for anything other than a better understanding of their own unique cases, which is inevitably important and a contribution to the research, but your original words saying they carry "kinda a HIV vaccine" is incorrect and inaccurate. They don't have (or present) a vaccine, they have developed resistance. There was a decrease in seroconversion, they weren't cured. The stronger mutations of the virus in their bodies are likely to survive and simply repopulate the host with the stronger strain over time.
 
:wtf: wow are you an english nazi in person too ? rofl but you got me :P next time i will add the word potential :P

you make a vaccine basically but injecting a weaken virus or you inject a virus into another organism that makes antibodies and then you inject that after some other complicated procedures. With viruses that mutate alot you have to create a new vaccine for every mutation like for influenza also for viruses that have many strains. In terms of HIV there arent that many mutations, usually the mutations are intrinsic to resist drugs, like modifications to the protease enzymes or reverse transcriptase. Most of the time its the HIV-1 virus that hits the CD4 cells. Could also be that these prostitutes were not infected by the HIV-1 virus but HIV-1 and HIV-2 and the competitively antagnosised each other, who knows. Though the changes in the vaginal protein structures and the cytokine responses are some what interesting, reminds me of sickle cells anaemia D: perhaps its an evolutionary change, but there is potential vaccine work there, you can formulate a vaccine whether it works is a different story.

Defeating HIV isnt a difficult task according to the okes at John Hopkins BUT the minute you have a compound or method to treat HIV effectively it loses its bioavailability. So thats the challenge to create a bioavailable working molecule, the HIV viron itself is fairly fragile. It can only thrive in 4 fluids, vaginal fluid, semen, blood and breast milk. Its found in salvia, urine even tears but you cant contract HIV from that .... apparently.
 
There are literally millions of different mutations in a single person. It's impossible to create a million vaccines for all the mutations of the HIV virus in just one person.

Can you clarify this statement of yours as it does not make any sense to me:
the minute you have a compound or method to treat HIV effectively it loses its bioavailability
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Why would the compound lose its bioavailability?
 
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