OS X Overrated

[semiautomatix]

For those people who claim to love Mac OS X; install Linux (not on your Mac obviously) and you'll understand what a Unix-based OS can actually do (without all the crashing).

I have managed to crash the damn Mac more times than my oldish XP machine in recent memory. This doesn't bode well.

 

[semiautomatix]

System Preferences - Keyboard & Mouse - it's called Primary and Secondary buttons.
Not right click and left click (Apple tries to make it easier for lefties.)

All you had to say is that there is no right click. I didn't claim there weren't primary or secondary buttons.

Linux makes it easier for one-armed people

 

[StbA]

Meh, you're trolling now. If only you had asked when you started using the Mac you would have had a better experience but you did'nt, your loss.

 

[Sputnik]

For those people who claim to love Mac OS X; install Linux (not on your Mac obviously) and you'll understand what a Unix-based OS can actually do (without all the crashing).

I have managed to crash the damn Mac more times than my oldish XP machine in recent memory. This doesn't bode well.

Install Linux and see how far behind Linux is from OSX.

 

[semiautomatix]

Meh, you're trolling now. If only you had asked when you started using the Mac you would have had a better experience but you did'nt, your loss.

I know how to use the damned primary and secondary buttons, I just don't enjoy it. I prefer to right click, so I bring my Microsoft (ironically) mouse along for the ride.

As for maximising the window I have asked a handful of people, with no answer. So I'm guessing that it doesn't exist.

 

[semiautomatix]

Install Linux and see how far behind Linux is from OSX.

Have you ever used Linux in that instance?

 

[Grimspoon]

I have just bought my first mac, and personally I love OS X. I haven't had any crashes at all, its been running solid for over 2 weeks now, don't think I have even rebooted it.

For me the app store is awesome, everything well organised and well thought out. Great apps as well.

Linux is annoying, you have to jump through hoops just to get something simple installed. I guess for the uber geek its great but for someone just trying to use a OS for general use, its irritating of note.

Flame me, come on do it!

 

[bwana]

Not on a standard Mac mouse - you have to bring your own one along to the party. And don't get me started on MacBooks.

You are incorrect.

 

[semiautomatix]

Ooooh! And another favourite of mine!

I'm a Java developer and because of the proprietary nature of Apple I usually am unable to develop for the Mac because if I do I can't use the latest version of Java. For example I've recently had to write an application for Panther/Tiger/Leopard and as a result I had to use Java 1.4 instead of Java 6, as I would have preferred, because Apple has not seen fit to release a version of Java 6 for Panther nor Tiger.

I can run Java 6 on almost all version of Ubuntu and on XP or Vista or W7.

 

[Sputnik]

Have you ever used Linux in that instance?

Yes, typing this on a RHEL 5.3 machine right now. As a consumer machine I prefer OSX. Linux has it's merits as servers and heavy duty engineering workstations. When I go home and do what I do online and use peripherals like my, ipod, camera and digicam, I prefer OSX

 

[semiautomatix]

You are incorrect.

Bwana, I don't have brand-spanking new out-of-the-box Mac, so maybe that has changed. I don't know. I do know the graphic designers I work with all bring their own mouses to work.

 

[Grimspoon]

Originally Posted by timgaul
Not on a standard Mac mouse - you have to bring your own one along to the party. And don't get me started on MacBooks.

Do you even know how to right click on a MacBook? Its easy as pie.

 

[semiautomatix]

Yes, typing this on a RHEL 5.3 machine right now. As a consumer machine I prefer OSX. Linux has it's merits as servers and heavy duty engineering workstations. When I go home and do what I do online and use peripherals like my, ipod, camera and digicam, I prefer OSX

That's because you're essentially running a server OS not a consumer OS. Please explain to me how one can't use an iPod, camera or digicam on Linux? Am I missing something.

 

[Grimspoon]

What I meant to say, do you know how to right click on a MacBook.

 

[semiautomatix]

I have just bought my first mac, and personally I love OS X. I haven't had any crashes at all, its been running solid for over 2 weeks now, don't think I have even rebooted it.

For me the app store is awesome, everything well organised and well thought out. Great apps as well.

Linux is annoying, you have to jump through hoops just to get something simple installed. I guess for the uber geek its great but for someone just trying to use a OS for general use, its irritating of note.

Flame me, come on do it!

Well, I run Windows for the first few weeks without any crashes, as well.

As for Linux, you clearly haven't installed the correct flavour.

yum/apt-get will install all you want from the repositories plus any additional files will be downloaded if they are required. There are many package managers, if needed to assist guys just starting out.

 

[semiautomatix]

What I meant to say, do you know how to right click on a MacBook.

I've only used my clients MacBooks, but they bring their own MS mouses along - so I can't say I would know.

 

[Grimspoon]

Well, I run Windows for the first few weeks without any crashes, as well.

As for Linux, you clearly haven't installed the correct flavour.

yum/apt-get will install all you want from the repositories plus any additional files will be downloaded if they are required. There are many package managers, if needed to assist guys just starting out.

I have been playing with linux for years, my first distro was Corel linux, still got it

I have used them all, I have the latest Ubuntu, ran it in Vmware before installing it and realised why I have never bonded with Linux, as I said I always have to jump through hoops to get anything done. Just my opinion of course

 

[icyrus]

For those people who claim to love Mac OS X; install Linux (not on your Mac obviously) and you'll understand what a Unix-based OS can actually do (without all the crashing).

Having used linux as my primary desktop for 4 years prior to moving permanently to OS X I can safely say that they were not in the same league.

I recently got a test machine up and running with the latest ubuntu and sadly they're still not in the same league.

Linux is a fantastic server OS but on the desktop as a primary machine it is not ready and I have doubts it ever will be.

As for maximising the window I have asked a handful of people, with no answer. So I'm guessing that it doesn't exist.

The windows concept of maximize was not adopted by Apple. If you feel you cannot live without it there are applications that will add it.

If it is such a critical feature for you it is probably best you change back to another OS.

 

[semiautomatix]

I have been playing with linux for years, my first distro was Corel linux, still got it

I have used them all, I have the latest Ubuntu, ran it in Vmware before installing it and realised why I have never bonded with Linux, as I said I always have to jump through hoops to get anything done. Just my opinion of course

Like install Java 6?

The primary difference is Apple will release an application guaranteed to work easily and state that it will run here, here but not here - this is very much a Microsoft approach to software.

Whereas Linux takes the approach of providing an application that will run on all platforms.

Certain .bin and .deb make life even easier as there is nothing to do except click on install. I fail to see how that is jumping through hoops.

 

[bwana]

Bwana, I don't have brand-spanking new out-of-the-box Mac, so maybe that has changed. I don't know. I do know the graphic designers I work with all bring their own mouses to work.

Why shouldnt they? Comfort and ergonomics means a lot and Apple has supported third party mouses since forever. The mighty mouse however does offer left and right click functionality.