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[Tsimo]

Tsimo if apartheid was reversed, you wouldn't even posting on this website. This is exactly the senselessness i was referring to. Some people make seriously rediculous and baseless comments, inspired by their tribalistic mentalities. You've never experienced apartheid, and thankfully you never will. I guess ignorance really is bliss.

the only reason that the new government did not try that is because it would have meant the total collapse of the country and possibly war.
so you can hate us as much as you want. the fact is that if it was not for the so called white oppressors this country would be nothing.

 

[Bageloo]

the only reason that the new government did not try that is because it would have meant the total collapse of the country and possibly war.
so you can hate us as much as you want. the fact is that if it was not for the so called white oppressors this country would be nothing.

According to some members on this forum, this country is nothing. Many of those have emmigrated already. What do you say to that?

 

[froggytoo]

We are talking about the flag being all inclusive




Well, I'm a Zulu married to a half Xhosa half Sotho woman. I have a very close friend who's father is German and his mother is Dutch. Now tell me what is wrong with interbreeding?

It may tend to create confusion. No ethnics, heritage or culture of your own.
Nothing wrong with interbreeding, Your free choice not mine. Does not bother me much tho, its just not for me. That's all! What I am stating the GOV will not accept us while we are Afrikaans and white. They will always for the next 50+ years ensure that we are prevented from contributing positively to this beloved (not anymore) country.

 

[orin76]

It may tend to create confusion. No ethnics, heritage or culture of your own.
Nothing wrong with interbreeding, Your free choice not mine. Does not bother me much tho, its just not for me.

Over the years I've known many Afrikaans people who have strong sense of their Afrikaaner identity while still having Spanish, English etc. grandparent or one of the parents wasn't Afrikaans. The same can be said for Zulus, Xhosa's etc. Interbreeding does not necessarily create confusion. I think most family trees (especially South Africans of European descent) have alot of interbreeding and the cultures seem to be surviving OK.

 

[BobbyMac]

the only reason that the new government did not try that is because it would have meant the total collapse of the country and possibly war.
so you can hate us as much as you want. the fact is that if it was not for the so called white oppressors this country would be nothing.

War... Let's see:

31,127,631 Blacks (mostly (probably 60 - 80%) supporting the ANC I'd guess)
4,434,697 Whites

Who do you think would've won a war?

 

[Getafix]

War... Let's see:

31,127,631 Blacks (mostly (probably 60 - 80%) supporting the ANC I'd guess)
4,434,697 Whites

Who do you think would've won a war?

According to our ANC bruwwers that minority kept them busy for quite some time.

Think, then think again.

Fortunately a war was prevented. Every war ends in negotiations. We skipped the war part. Fortunately.

 

[Getafix]

War... Let's see:

31,127,631 Blacks (mostly (probably 60 - 80%) supporting the ANC I'd guess)
4,434,697 Whites

Who do you think would've won a war?

Ask the English.

An old saying: It is not the size of the dog in the fight, it is the size of the fight in the dog, that counts

 

[Jozi101]

You must be joking! Then I presume the ANC does not know what that "all inclusive" means.

Interbreeding? Ask a Zulu or Xhosa or German and find out.

WTF you talking bout?

 

[Fudzy]

I'm pretty sure there are more afrikaaners trying to distance themselves from racial predujice than 100 years ago. As a white South African, I'm immensely grateful that the previous government went down without a fight. The consequences of something like that would be alot more devastating than what we're experiencing now.

 

[froggytoo]

Over the years I've known many Afrikaans people who have strong sense of their Afrikaner identity while still having Spanish, English etc. grandparent or one of the parents wasn't Afrikaans. The same can be said for Zulus, Xhosa's etc. Interbreeding does not necessarily create confusion. I think most family trees (especially South Africans of European descent) have alot of interbreeding and the cultures seem to be surviving OK.

I disagree. Those people created their own, while maintaining the original links. Examples is the Afrikaners, Cape coloureds and some others. All respected and good cultures. Now the government want to break everything down to nothing or whatever. No free choice! Communism style.

 

[DigitalSoldier]

War... Let's see:

31,127,631 Blacks (mostly (probably 60 - 80%) supporting the ANC I'd guess)
4,434,697 Whites

Who do you think would've won a war?

If a war broke out at the height of apartheid in the 1970's all I can say there would have been a lot of bloodshed.

From an article in time magazine from 1977

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,915729-8,00.html

Vorster need not be too worried about he U.N.'s mandatory arms embargo. Eventually, the embargo could hurt South Africa by depriving it of sophisticated new weaponry and technology. But as of today, South Africa's 41,000-man army is one of the best trained and best equipped on the continent; 130,000 reserves can be mobilized against invasion—or insurrection—within 48 hours. The only real gaps in the country's arms production at present are helicopter technology and warships. Last week France announced that it was canceling delivery of two submarines and two missile-launching corvettes, even though the ships had been ordered before the ban. The Israelis also said they would abide by the embargo, but some diplomats wondered whether the Israelis might be willing to circumvent it. Israel has been deeply involved in a number of military projects with the South Africans.

Third World countries, led by black African states, had wanted a total economic boycott. The U.S., Britain and France joined in the veto of such a proposal in the Security Council two weeks ago. But even an economic boycott would not have had much immediate effect. For example, South Africa reportedly has stockpiled a three-year supply of oil, it has the technology to produce more oil from its virtually unlimited cache of coal, and a friendly nation, Iran, is co-owner of South Africa's major refinery.

 

[Pitbull]

The new flag, The new flag, The new flag.

It's full of ANC colours nothing else. Bloody ugly if u ask me.

 

[BobbyMac]

According to our ANC bruwwers that minority kept them busy for quite some time.

Think, then think again.

Fortunately a war was prevented. Every war ends in negotiations. We skipped the war part. Fortunately.

Fortunately war was avoided, but don't for one second think the few would've beaten the masses for long. I don't think many whites in this country grasp how extremely lucky they are that there was mostly reconciliation instead of a war.

You are all so lucky that retribution was not pursued - all of you, from all races.

 

[Jozi101]

I'm pretty sure there are more afrikaaners trying to distance themselves from racial predujice than 100 years ago.

I agree with you but, let's see. 90 years+ of white supremest brainwashing of a people against 12 years of an attempt at doing things the right way.

Clearly racism is ingrained in many people in here, and it will take a hell of a long time to change their minds. Makes one feel a bit despondent if you think about it. Judging from some posts in here, I don't think we should expect too much.

 

[MLK]

Ask the English.

An old saying: It is not the size of the dog in the fight, it is the size of the fight in the dog, that counts

Majority white people never in their wildest dreams expected the effents of 1994 and what followed - it was just impossible!!! An look what happened?

Never ever get too comfortable in a comfort zone, no matter what the reason, for instance numbers ... things change overnight whether it is thought to be possible or not is sometimes irrelevant.

Unless all people learn to respect each other - all cultures and backgrounds, history etc and loose their fear for a flag etc, I can guarantee you that security and control must not be taken for granted.

 

[Fudzy]

It's full of ANC colours nothing else. Bloody ugly if u
ask me.

It's better having an original flag rather than one that's spun off various European countries.

Check it : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_South_Africa

 

[Leitmotif]

War... Let's see:

31,127,631 Blacks (mostly (probably 60 - 80%) supporting the ANC I'd guess)
4,434,697 Whites

Who do you think would've won a war?

Yes, let's see...

Most of the blacks would have been noncombatants. Most of the whites too, come to that, but the whites had armoured divisions, aircraft and all sorts of fun military toys. Also they had a good communications network and central command, and so could react more quickly to changing circumstances. Numbers aren't everything.

One major point though... townships are densely packed, and they *burn*. Would you put the idea of a napalm airstrike followed up by scything of anyone who ran past your overinflated bogeymen? Even better, the homelands were pretty much isolated. Heavy shelling and bombing would have caused immense casualties.

War's an interesting game. The only way to win is not to play. Be glad you didn't need to.

 

[chiskop]

The new flag, The new flag, The new flag.

It's full of ANC colours nothing else. Bloody ugly if u ask me.

Red? Blue? White? You're maybe half right.

 

[BobbyMac]

Yes, let's see...

Most of the blacks would have been noncombatants. Most of the whites too, come to that, but the whites had armoured divisions, aircraft and all sorts of fun military toys. Also they had a good communications network and central command, and so could react more quickly to changing circumstances. Numbers aren't everything.

One major point though... townships are densely packed, and they *burn*. Would you put the idea of a napalm airstrike followed up by scything of anyone who ran past your overinflated bogeymen? Even better, the homelands were pretty much isolated. Heavy shelling and bombing would have caused immense casualties.

War's an interesting game. The only way to win is not to play. Be glad you didn't need to.

Oh and the International community would have stood idly by while the SA government bombed whole townships? ROFL.

 

[MLK]

I agree with you but, let's see. 90 years+ of white supremest brainwashing of a people against 12 years of an attempt at doing things the right way.

Clearly racism is ingrained in many people in here, and it will take a hell of a long time to change their minds. Makes one feel a bit despondent if you think about it. Judging from some posts in here, I don't think we should expect too much.

Hi Jozi101 - Agreed. But my personal feeling is that once we stop trying to change peoples minds and just live our lives with mutual respect for each others views and history and culture it might be easier to live together? That is what we are teaching our children our hope? There will always be individuals that wont want to attempt accepting the changes at all, but I am sure the majority of us, black, white, brown, green etc have the same goals and dreams for this country and our children?