Petition started to remove judge over rape comments

thechamp said:
We do have a Queen in South Africa.

I will justify paying my King when someone justifies paying the Queen, since this paying of Mornachs is such an absurd and backward practice which is not taking us forward.
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Sorry what? And her name is?
 
thechamp said:
We do have a Queen in South Africa.

I will justify paying my King when someone justifies paying the Queen, since this paying of Mornachs is such an absurd and backward practice which is not taking us forward.
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Is your King an economic driver for the country?
 
Cray said:
Sorry, I thought we where talking about South Africa?



Don't bother - I don't want white monarchs, I was highlighting the ridiculous situiation of having a constitution which says we are all equal but pays 13 hereditary rulers outrageous amounts of money per year.. If you can justify that, without mentioning culture, please feel free...
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Well I agree monarchs are a waste of time and money and should be done away with but obviously you know that white people here came originally from Europe and left their monarchs behind. I know you're not suggesting royalty is not a part of European culture so I'm not sure what point you're making. Yes, some cultures in SA have monarchs but that's not unique to any African culture. My parents still remember having to sing "God save the King" in cinemas before the movie started - yes, in South Africa in the 40's! In the 50's, of course, they had to sing 'God save the Queen'
 
C4Cat said:
Well I agree monarchs are a waste of time and money and should be done away with but obviously you know that white people here came originally from Europe and left their monarchs behind. I know you're not suggesting royalty is not a part of European culture so I'm not sure what point you're making. Yes, some cultures in SA have monarchs but that's not unique to any African culture. My parents still remember having to sing "God save the King" in cinemas before the movie started - yes, in South Africa in the 40's! In the 50's, of course, they had to sing 'God save the Queen'
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Don't be obtuse -South Africa only became a republic in 1961, people with British citienship are pefectly allowed to support the British monarch - but in no way, shape or form does she have anything to do with South Africa and the SA government certainly don't fund her lifestyle. However it raises a point, the British monarch exists as a result of British culture and tradition just as the current Monarchs exist because of Zulu or Venda culture/traditional yet you refuse to accept the idea that a Zulu/Venda culture exists?
 
C4Cat said:
but seriously, I don't see that a perceived underground rape culture in Khayelitsha is now used by you as representative of every black person on the continent, or every African culture (of which there are over 100 different cultures).
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Jeez but you backtrack faster than a pimply teenager desperate to make out Satan's voice on his devil music when the shoe's on the other foot..

Do you lot (yeah I went there) even consider the multitude of white cultures when you lump us all together in your cries of racism, colonialism or whatever anti-white sentiment is flavour of the month? Yet when you are in the spotlight being accused of possible commonality suddenly it's 'perceived' and 'representative' and not applicable to all.

Then again, your blind denial says a lot more about you than your actual words.
 
Cray said:
Don't be obtuse, people with British citienship are pefectly allowed to support the British monarch - but in no way, shape or form does she have anything to do with South Africa and the SA government certainly don't fund her lifestyle. However it raises a point, the British monarch exists as a result of British culture and tradition just as the current Monarchs exist because of Zulu or Venda culture/traditional yet you refuse to accept the idea that a Zulu/Venda culture exists?
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So people in people with British citizenship are pefectly allowed to support the British monarch but people with South African citizenship are not allowed to support South African monarchs? Ok then...
And what on earth are you talking about when you say I refuse to accept the idea that a Zulu/Venda culture exists? I never said any such thing. Of course Zulu culture exists as do over 100 other cultures in Africa and at least 11 in SA (as I already pointed out numerous times).
 
evilstebunny said:
Jeez but you backtrack faster than a pimply teenager desperate to make out Satan's voice on his devil music when the shoe's on the other foot..

Do you lot (yeah I went there) even consider the multitude of white cultures when you lump us all together in your cries of racism, colonialism or whatever anti-white sentiment is flavour of the month? Yet when you are in the spotlight being accused of possible commonality suddenly it's 'perceived' and 'representative' and not applicable to all.

Then again, your blind denial says a lot more about you than your actual words.
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What are you on about? When have I lumped together the multitude of white cultures?
This whole thread is about a white judge and her supporters here (including you) who have lumped together the multitude of African cultures as 'black culture' as if it's one thing and now you're complaining about something I've never done? :wtf:
 
C4Cat said:
So people in people with British citizenship are pefectly allowed to support the British monarch but people with South African citizenship are not allowed to support South African monarchs? Ok then....
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We are talking about South Africa.. The South African constitution, which applies to South African citizens states that all people are equal. The SA constituion doesn't apply to the British Monarch or to British Citizens...

C4Cat said:
And what on earth are you talking about when you say I refuse to accept the idea that a Zulu/Venda culture exists? I never said any such thing. Of course Zulu culture exists as do over 100 other cultures in Africa and at least 11 in SA (as I already pointed out numerous times).
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You categorically stated that Black culture does not exist, couldn't the term black culture be used to describe the common culutural practises that are shared by the native black population in this country (tribal leaders for instance?).
 
Cray said:
We are talking about South Africa.. The South African constitution, which applies to South African citizens states that all people are equal. The SA constituion doesn't apply to the British Monarch or to British Citizens...



You categorically stated that Black culture does not exist, couldn't the term black culture be used to describe the common culutural practises that are shared by the native black population in this country (tribal leaders for instance?).
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Yes, there is no such thing as black culture, just like there is no such thing as 'white' culture.
That's obvious, surely. Of course there are commonalities between cultures, irrespective of race, but there are great differences too.
And using a fringe cultural practice of the Xhosa culture, which is hardly ever practiced anymore as 'evidence' that rape is a part of 'black' culture is the same as saying polygamy is a part of white culture because Mormons
 
C4Cat said:
Yes, there is no such thing as black culture, just like there is no such thing as 'white' culture.
That's obvious, surely. Of course there are commonalities between cultures, irrespective of race, but there are great differences too.
And using a fringe cultural practice of the Xhosa culture, which is hardly ever practiced anymore as 'evidence' that rape is a part of 'black' culture is the same as saying polygamy is a part of white culture because Mormons
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Fair enough.
 
C4Cat said:
Yes, there is no such thing as black culture, just like there is no such thing as 'white' culture.
That's obvious, surely. Of course there are commonalities between cultures, irrespective of race, but there are great differences too.
And using a fringe cultural practice of the Xhosa culture, which is hardly ever practiced anymore as 'evidence' that rape is a part of 'black' culture is the same as saying polygamy is a part of white culture because Mormons
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This might help you, here is Professor Geert Hofstede definition of culture

“the collective programming of the mind distinguishing the members of one group or category of people from others”.

He is a leading researcher into culture and his Six dimensions of culture are recognised aa valuable tool for examining it

► Power Distance Index (PDI)

This dimension expresses the degree to which the less powerful members of a society accept and expect that power is distributed unequally. The fundamental issue here is how a society handles inequalities among people. People in societies exhibiting a large degree of Power Distance accept a hierarchical order in which everybody has a place and which needs no further justification. In societies with low Power Distance, people strive to equalise the distribution of power and demand justification for inequalities of power.

► Individualism versus Collectivism (IDV)
► Masculinity versus Femininity (MAS)
The Masculinity side of this dimension represents a preference in society for achievement, heroism, assertiveness and material rewards for success. Society at large is more competitive. Its opposite, femininity, stands for a preference for cooperation, modesty, caring for the weak and quality of life. Society at large is more consensus-oriented. In the business context Masculinity versus Femininity is sometimes also related to as "tough versus tender" cultures.
► Uncertainty Avoidance Index (UAI)
The Uncertainty Avoidance dimension expresses the degree to which the members of a society feel uncomfortable with uncertainty and ambiguity. The fundamental issue here is how a society deals with the fact that the future can never be known: should we try to control the future or just let it happen? Countries exhibiting strong UAI maintain rigid codes of belief and behaviour and are intolerant of unorthodox behaviour and ideas. Weak UAI societies maintain a more relaxed attitude in which practice counts more than principles.
► Long Term Orientation versus Short Term Normative Orientation (LTO)*
► Indulgence versus Restraint (IND)

As I have said there is no specific rape culture with African society in general, but what you do find are cultural aspects within the society that contribute towards the high level of rape. The three that I have highlighted cover the aspects of African culture that I feel contribute.

This would actually be an interesting doctoral thesis, but I think you might get your head handed to you on a plate if you attempted it.
 
R/SGT said:
This might help you, here is Professor Geert Hofstede definition of culture

“the collective programming of the mind distinguishing the members of one group or category of people from others”.

He is a leading researcher into culture and his Six dimensions of culture are recognised aa valuable tool for examining it

► Power Distance Index (PDI)

This dimension expresses the degree to which the less powerful members of a society accept and expect that power is distributed unequally. The fundamental issue here is how a society handles inequalities among people. People in societies exhibiting a large degree of Power Distance accept a hierarchical order in which everybody has a place and which needs no further justification. In societies with low Power Distance, people strive to equalise the distribution of power and demand justification for inequalities of power.

► Individualism versus Collectivism (IDV)
► Masculinity versus Femininity (MAS)
The Masculinity side of this dimension represents a preference in society for achievement, heroism, assertiveness and material rewards for success. Society at large is more competitive. Its opposite, femininity, stands for a preference for cooperation, modesty, caring for the weak and quality of life. Society at large is more consensus-oriented. In the business context Masculinity versus Femininity is sometimes also related to as "tough versus tender" cultures.
► Uncertainty Avoidance Index (UAI)
The Uncertainty Avoidance dimension expresses the degree to which the members of a society feel uncomfortable with uncertainty and ambiguity. The fundamental issue here is how a society deals with the fact that the future can never be known: should we try to control the future or just let it happen? Countries exhibiting strong UAI maintain rigid codes of belief and behaviour and are intolerant of unorthodox behaviour and ideas. Weak UAI societies maintain a more relaxed attitude in which practice counts more than principles.
► Long Term Orientation versus Short Term Normative Orientation (LTO)*
► Indulgence versus Restraint (IND)

As I have said there is no specific rape culture with African society in general, but what you do find are cultural aspects within the society that contribute towards the high level of rape. The three that I have highlighted cover the aspects of African culture that I feel contribute.

This would actually be an interesting doctoral thesis, but I think you might get your head handed to you on a plate if you attempted it.
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You posted this before but never specified which African culture you were referring to.
Also, the three aspects that you have highlighted pertain to almost every culture, don't they? Especially some European and American and Asian cultures.
 
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Leave it to Steve Hofmeyr to save the day ...
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/steve-hofmeyr-comes-out-in-support-of-judge-jansen-20160511
Controversial Afrikaans singer Steve Hofmeyr and right-winger Dan Roodt have come out on social media in support of beleaguered High Court Judge Mabel Jansen.

This followed an uproar after Jansen was accused of making racist comments about black people and rape on Facebook.

Hofmeyr tweeted on Tuesday: "#MabelJansen #denial All nations rape & murder, but in the rape capitol [sic] of the world disproportionate contributions should be checked."
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