TheChamp
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I wonder if this is what she thinks of all her black women colleagues.
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I wonder if this is what she thinks of all her black women colleagues.
R13...
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She's definitely the type of person Mbeki described in one of his rants against that rape activist while he was president.
grok
Honorary Master
Would having a separate, distinct name for the practice not qualify it as an element of a culture? Or the fact that the practice can be quantified with stats, even if you haven't experienced it yourself?
Correct, It is not confined to black culture alone however there are aspects of black culture that influence the high levels of rape. These aspects can be observed in cultures around the world in varying degrees so to simply dismis her as a racist is deflecting from a very real issue.
TheChamp
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it might be part of someone's culture, but does it automatically become a black culture which all blacks subscribe to, which can then be used to support the judge's view about black people?
grok
Honorary Master
Dunno, I just thought it strange that a practice even has a name when no-one supposedly ever practice it.
TheChamp
Honorary Master
I have heard of the practice but not in the context which have been portrayed in this thread.
what I have heard is that there was a practice which was done long ago by young men to elope with their beloved in cases where their union was not approved by the parents either because of the young man coming from a poor background or in the case of arranged marriages when a girl is in love with somebody who is not the preferred choice between the families.
This happened obviously in cases of two consenting adults who are denied their rights to be in together in love.
The first time I heard about 'ukuthwala' as it is portrayed in this context of rape and abduction of children was when I watched the show on TV. I have never heard of any King in SA and supporting the abduction and rape of children as part of their culture, after all the Kings are the absolute custodians of culture not anyone else besides them.
grok
Honorary Master
Better ask your king then, as ignorance of the law (of a tribe) is not a valid excuse.
TheChamp
Honorary Master
No need, only those who are unclear and confused like yourself and others on this thread are free to seek clarity from the King.
Which one you going to ask, I don't know because contrary to popular belief black people don't have one King who rules over all of them. I understand that this might be a revelation to some.
wherever you decide to go take the honourable judge with you, she can use the insight.
grok
Honorary Master
No one said one king, of course different tribes have different kings, but you use this tangent (and the subtle hint of racism) to distract..
Want to know how I can prove there's no such thing as ukuthwala in my culture?
We have no separate word for it, simple as that.
grok
Honorary Master
Elements if it are, but doesn't quite tell the whole underage to be married off story, now does it?Its called kidnapping
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My view on the rural folks being "different" from the urbanised comes from real world experience on citrus farms in Limpopo, not wikipedia. Don't assume I always lived in the city.
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Patrick_Hockstetter
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Is there a rape culture in South Africa?
Do men in general possess a rape culture or is the rape culture specific to certain groups of men?
Do men in general possess a rape culture or is the rape culture specific to certain groups of men?
dlk001
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Well said.
What is black culture to begin with? Black people's culture vary so much in SA. Even within Xhosa people, you have huge differences.
Samething I noticed with Afrikaans people. They have love for church which I would call culture and yet they differ so much in many aspects according my observation.
Rape is like Racism. It is not a culture for a specific group of people.
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R13...
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Ukuthwala is also a practice restricted to people of Xhosa origin in certain rural areas not even all tribes of Xhosa let alone the black male populace
It is not a rape culture per say, but rather a number of cultural aspects that lend themselves to making rape more acceptable.
When we refer to culture we are actually talking about how we are programmed to act.
Hofstede's cultural dimensions theory is a framework for cross-cultural communication, developed by Geert Hofstede. It describes the effects of a society's culture on the values of its members, and how these values relate to behavior, using a structure derived from factor analysis.
Power Distance Index (high versus low).
This refers to the degree of inequality that exists – and is accepted – between people with and without power.
A high PDI score indicates that a society accepts an unequal, hierarchical distribution of power, and that people understand "their place" in the system. A low PDI score means that power is shared and is widely dispersed, and that society members do not accept situations where power is distributed unequally.
Individualism Versus Collectivism.
This refers to the strength of the ties that people have to others within their community.
A high IDV score indicates weak interpersonal connection among those who are not part of a core "family." Here, people take less responsibility for others' actions and outcomes.
In a collectivist society, however, people are supposed to be loyal to the group to which they belong, and, in exchange, the group will defend their interests. The group itself is normally larger, and people take responsibility for one another's wellbeing.
Masculinity Versus Femininity.
This refers to the distribution of roles between men and women. In masculine societies, the roles of men and women overlap less, and men are expected to behave assertively. Demonstrating your success, and being strong and fast, are seen as positive characteristics.
In feminine societies, however, there is a great deal of overlap between male and female roles, and modesty is perceived as a virtue. Greater importance is placed on good relationships with your direct supervisors, or working with people who cooperate well with one another.
Uncertainty Avoidance Index (high versus low).
This dimension describes how well people can cope with anxiety.
In societies that score highly for Uncertainty Avoidance, people attempt to make life as predictable and controllable as possible. If they find that they can't control their own lives, they may be tempted to stop trying. These people may refer to "mañana," or put their fate "in the hands of God."
People in low UAI-scoring countries are more relaxed, open or inclusive
Pragmatic Versus Normative.
This dimension is also known as Long-Term Orientation. It refers to the degree to which people need to explain the inexplicable, and is strongly related to religiosity and nationalism
Indulgence Versus Restraint.
ountries with a high IVR score allow or encourage relatively free gratification of people's own drives and emotions, such as enjoying life and having fun. In a society with a low IVR score, there is more emphasis on suppressing gratification and more regulation of people's conduct and behavior, and there are stricter social norms.
When we refer to culture we are actually talking about how we are programmed to act.
Hofstede's cultural dimensions theory is a framework for cross-cultural communication, developed by Geert Hofstede. It describes the effects of a society's culture on the values of its members, and how these values relate to behavior, using a structure derived from factor analysis.
Power Distance Index (high versus low).
This refers to the degree of inequality that exists – and is accepted – between people with and without power.
A high PDI score indicates that a society accepts an unequal, hierarchical distribution of power, and that people understand "their place" in the system. A low PDI score means that power is shared and is widely dispersed, and that society members do not accept situations where power is distributed unequally.
Individualism Versus Collectivism.
This refers to the strength of the ties that people have to others within their community.
A high IDV score indicates weak interpersonal connection among those who are not part of a core "family." Here, people take less responsibility for others' actions and outcomes.
In a collectivist society, however, people are supposed to be loyal to the group to which they belong, and, in exchange, the group will defend their interests. The group itself is normally larger, and people take responsibility for one another's wellbeing.
Masculinity Versus Femininity.
This refers to the distribution of roles between men and women. In masculine societies, the roles of men and women overlap less, and men are expected to behave assertively. Demonstrating your success, and being strong and fast, are seen as positive characteristics.
In feminine societies, however, there is a great deal of overlap between male and female roles, and modesty is perceived as a virtue. Greater importance is placed on good relationships with your direct supervisors, or working with people who cooperate well with one another.
Uncertainty Avoidance Index (high versus low).
This dimension describes how well people can cope with anxiety.
In societies that score highly for Uncertainty Avoidance, people attempt to make life as predictable and controllable as possible. If they find that they can't control their own lives, they may be tempted to stop trying. These people may refer to "mañana," or put their fate "in the hands of God."
People in low UAI-scoring countries are more relaxed, open or inclusive
Pragmatic Versus Normative.
This dimension is also known as Long-Term Orientation. It refers to the degree to which people need to explain the inexplicable, and is strongly related to religiosity and nationalism
Indulgence Versus Restraint.
ountries with a high IVR score allow or encourage relatively free gratification of people's own drives and emotions, such as enjoying life and having fun. In a society with a low IVR score, there is more emphasis on suppressing gratification and more regulation of people's conduct and behavior, and there are stricter social norms.
dlk001
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Initiation School is an example of a Xhosa Culture. It is not specific to certain Xhosa ethnic groups but widely spread across all Xhosa people.
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Actually, you still paid lobola either way. And its lobola not labola (it means something else).
Also as far as I know the practice is has been outlawed by traditional leaders for ages and looked down upon. A friend in mine says its disproportionally prevalent in the Eastern Cape though.