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I think it works more because if you are taking it you are more likely to go to gym, watch what you eat etc....

If u can find it try get fenphedra as a weight loss....or hydroxycut hardcore failing that
 
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My step-father made quite an intensive study on diet and exercise, and he caused quite a tremor when he published his papers in the local newspapers.

Back then there was this miracle injection everyone took to make you loose weight instantly.
It worked, but time after time the victims of the injection landed at his office door asking for help since they put on even more weight afterwards. He did and intensive study and found, again, that only by changing your lifestyle can you loose weight and maintain that.

See this is the problem, you can loose weight instantly, but you need to maintain it, and that is only done by:
* Eating less/ healthier (you can still eat too much even if it is healthy
* Exercising

What these fat busters do is bust the fat, but not change the lifestyle of the person. You eat more cause you feel great and "thin" and then you balloon afterwards. It was quite shocking to read the study he did, I cannot remember the figures of how many woman this happens to, but it is way past the upper 80% of people going on these quick fixes.

Change you lifestyle, your body will follow suit!
:p
 
Also keep in mind that the process of converting stored fat into energy is a chemical process that is limited at a rate of around 1kg/week. If you loose more weight that in a month, then its probably not fat you loosing....
 
all you clever guys with your "change your lifestyle", "eat healthy!!" and "exercise regularly!"...

Duh! I agree 100% with it - but what's wrong with having some extra help getting to the weight you want to be? most people give up healthy eating/exercising/etc because it's a lot of hard work and they aren't seeing enough results.

if phedra cut can help you see results, IMO thats gonna keep you motivated! even if it's ONLY a placebo effect like mentioned earlier !

Everyone knows you still have to watch your weight when you've lost a couple - pills or no pills.

those that have used phedra know it works.
 
those that have used phedra know it works.

Used it - doesn't work - so I don't agree with that statement. All it does is make you sweaty (loosing water doesn't count as loosing weight), and moody... there are way better weight loss products out there.
 
Used it - doesn't work - so I don't agree with that statement. All it does is make you sweaty (loosing water doesn't count as loosing weight), and moody... there are way better weight loss products out there.

ur still supposed to gym dude - if it makes you work up a sweat - good. that means you're atleast moving.

dunno about moody - all i know it gives u energy - a lot!

did u take it before going to gym?
 
ur still supposed to gym dude - if it makes you work up a sweat - good. that means you're atleast moving.

dunno about moody - all i know it gives u energy - a lot!

did u take it before going to gym?

LOL - I know that - I had an almost perfect body - except for about three kilograms - Gym'd 3 times a week (properly), Muaythai'd twice a week - resting heart rate in the low 50's....

Yeh - one of the side effects is moody.

Maybe it only works for certain people...
 
LOL - I know that - I had an almost perfect body - except for about three kilograms - Gym'd 3 times a week (properly), Muaythai'd twice a week - resting heart rate in the low 50's....

Yeh - one of the side effects is moody.

Maybe it only works for certain people...

thats strange....:confused:

oh well... :D

guess you're right - "Maybe it only works for certain people..."
 
Check the ingredients on the Phedra cut package; I think that is the one with Green Tea extract? Green tea can be bought from a shop for around R20/kg, which will last you years, and is about 1/10 the price of that Phedra cut.

Seriously, a guy I work with went on diet for six months and took phedra cut and some other crap. He spent around R1500 and lost 5 kilos. Thats R300 per kilo! I told him to stop wasting his money and exercise. He stopped the pills, started dancing and lost 5 kilos in a month.

Diet and exercise; all you need....


Can anyone post a link to a website that gives a complete diet schedule or something.. would be much appreciated as my boep is starting to grow tooooo big!! :mad:
 
LOL - I know that - I had an almost perfect body - except for about three kilograms - Gym'd 3 times a week (properly), Muaythai'd twice a week - resting heart rate in the low 50's....

Yeh - one of the side effects is moody.

Maybe it only works for certain people...

Sorry for resurrecting this thread, was just interested... that mood thing is likely sensitivity to Caffeine - I have the same thing and my hand is itching to klap anyone in range when I am on it and have too much or too little... size means nothing lol...
Ja, caffeine is not your friend IMO. It can speed up things, but like any quick fix, it has long term and other undesireable effects - IMO take suppliments that help you perform in the gym, but the only way to effectively control cravings is to eat the right food (think low GI carbs and generally less carbs, more fibre, more protein - avoid too much red meat) and eat less - the feeling of being full will come as your stomach shrinks... part of the reason experts tell you to eat more often but smaller amounts - your stomach fools you sometimes.

If you can do that, with or without suppliments, then you will succeed, if you can't do that, with or without suppliments, you will fail. If you feel you must take suppliments (even as a motivator), then make sure you make the most of the motivation to change your eating habits number 1 and exersice routine number 2... you can still look good without exersice if you eat well but exersice is a motivator and makes you feel good too... well after a few sessions that is lol
(IMO)

Googling:
"burn the fat feed the muscle" torrent

produces some interesting results too... :D
 
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Worked very well for me, I just don't like the sensation it gives you of being hot all the time. I used it in conjunction with a diet plan and doing cardio excercises (Tae Bo)

Why don't you try a 10day juice diet (without gym in that period) as you can knock off 7kg easily and you will be detoxed?
After that eating junk will not be an option as you will feels physically ill, beer tastes like poison and you will be pissed on two.


USN Diet palns:
http://www.usn.co.za/advice_dietplans_men_fatloss.htm
http://www.usn.co.za/advice_nutritiontips.htm
 
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Sorry for resurrecting this thread, was just interested... that mood thing is likely sensitivity to Caffeine - I have the same thing and my hand is itching to klap anyone in range when I am on it and have too much or too little... size means nothing lol...
Ja, caffeine is not your friend IMO. It can speed up things, but like any quick fix, it has long term and other undesireable effects

I'm hyper sensitive to caffeine and do not like it. Only problem is I get a craving for double espressos like 4 times a year and then I literally bounce around until I start feeling ill.
 
unless he uses phedra cut. plus he is exercising every day.

You can use Phedra cut and exercise everyday but you won't see results.

It is important for your body to consume at least six balanced meals a day.
A portion of three hands full

E.g Proteins such as fish, lean steak, hake, chicken, eggs etc
Carbs such as Fruits: apples, banana's, Rye bread

All these facts are stated in the
Body for life
Book.

Another fact is that 80% counts for what you eat and 10%cardio + 10%Gym
That means a total of three Workouts per week and three cardio sessions.
 
Can anyone post a link to a website that gives a complete diet schedule or something.. would be much appreciated as my boep is starting to grow tooooo big!! :mad:

I hope this is what you're referring to by diet schedule. Scroll down for the complete breakdown of whats in Hydroxycut & Phedracut

http://www.supplementworld.co.za/brands/muscletech/muscletech-hydroxycut-hardcore.html

http://www.supplementworld.co.za/brands/usn/usn-phedra-cut-xt-2008.html

I know all or most USN products come with a little pamphlet that tells you when to take the pills and what food to eat, when etc. I bought the ongoing special of USN Diet Fuel meal replacement shake, that comes with 2 bottles, Phedra Cut xt pills and CLA green tea pills.

In my opinion, gained from being a bergotter-kind and losing 10kg in highschool, nothing works like the good old ECA (Ephedrine, Caffeine, Aspirin) stack. I have read dozens of peer reviewed medical research papers on ephedrine and other beta2 & 3 agonists, taken a whole lot of supplements and ensured I never get chubby again. Remember that ephedrine & ephedra are banned in diet products that are not behind the counter. So, the diet/supplement companies just put in a bunch of caffeine under different names and lame herbal things with dubious effects. Guarana, Yerba mate, green tea etc are all different ways of saying CAFFEINE. Syneprine, Citrus Aurantium, Bitter orange etc are all weaker herbal replacements for Ephedrine and they have not be conclusively proven to do anything for weight loss in humans.


Here's the deal:

1. Ephedra/ephedrine/dnorpseudoephedrine + caffeine + aspirin really works. Google or Wike ECA Stack.
2. Thinz, Leanor drops, NoBese, Slenz (dnorpseudoephedrine) are all behind the counter now - so you need a prescription. But you can get them if you are on good terms with your pharmacist.
3. To kill your appetite use any of the above of something with Phentermine eg Duromine, available around R250 - R300 at any pharmacist. Its a prescription drug, but you can talk your way into getting it over the counter.
4. So called carb & fat blockers are BS. Only Xenical & Alli from the US can block fat and they are super expensive and have socially unacceptable side-effects for people with a high fat diet. I won't go into them. Also, these do not make you eat less. So if you are addicted to sugar/cakes/cokes/pap, or you over-eat they can't help. They only block oil from high fat meals.

Recipe for a cheap & effective ECA Stack:
1. E = Flusin effervescent, Genasma, Colcleer or any flu medication with ephedrine or pseudoephedrine. Read the labels.
2. Caffeine pills in the form of Regmakers tablets from any chemist, Clicks, Dischem etc. They are R10 - R12 a pack & each had 150mgs of caffeine.
3. Aspirin eg Solusprin or Disprin. Solusprin is much much cheaper and available everywhere, esp Clicks.

You take one of each pill, 3 times a day and you will have energy, focus and no appetite. I do this when I'm on deadline and when its around party season to avoid overeating and weight gain. Its legal and great for party animals, overeaters, students in exam time etc.

If you are really hardcore, desperate, overweight and most importantly, have done your research, there are other options, including thyroid meds like Tertroxin (aka T3) which is available over the counter at your pharmacist's discretion (Schedule 3). This will rip through your body like a hollow point bullet:D. It acts on the thyroid, increasing your metabolism. T3 will eat fat, muscle and carbs indiscriminately. So you need to eat lots of meat & take protein supps while on it.

You an also buy Venteze tablets, which are an asthma medication available over the counter. They are a freely available, weaker version of my favourite diet drug, clenbuterol. They are super cheap, about R50 - R70 for 100.

If you are above the law:
Clenbuterol + T3 + Ephedrine / Phentermine(duromine). :cool: or get hold of adderall (ADD medication thats a mix of amphetatime salts, only that not ritalin or concerta).
 
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I actually bought a pack about 2 weeks ago but haven't used it yet because I need time to exercise which is now because exams are over :cool: Starting to run :)
 
2. Thinz, Leanor drops, NoBese, Slenz (dnorpseudoephedrine) are all behind the counter now - so you need a prescription. But you can get them if you are on good terms with your pharmacist.
3. To kill your appetite use any of the above of something with Phentermine eg Duromine, available around R250 - R300 at any pharmacist. Its a prescription drug, but you can talk your way into getting it over the counter.

Wow... You must be a damn slick talker to get S6 controlled substances that need to be registered in triplicate or whatever the hell they do here. I know that the script has to be handed in and there's no repeats etc and it's logged and sent off for analysis / storage... Teach me oh great master. :) Or tell me where to find these chemists. j/k

Cathine is now S6 with zero provisions for a mixed ingredient product like they do with pseudoeph and ephedrine. In other words, same schedule as morphine. It isn't preferred for making methamphetamine, pseudoephedrine is the main precursor to yield the most desirable entantiomer of methamphetamine. I've heard that Cathine was used to produce 4-MAR (4-MethylAminorex or ICE / U4Ea) which is also a very, very potent and long lasting stimulant albeit less damaging than tik (there were some deaths associated with it but IIRC with the use of MAOIs). It is also much simpler to cook 4-MAR than it is to cook Methamphetamine (which despite the media frenzy is not as easy as baking a cake apparently - it is a intricate and dangerous process that needs to be learnt from a pro before you can cook at home).

I'm not sure how you'd talk your way into getting morphine OTC which is basically analogous to getting Leanor or Thinz etc OTC. Not pure morphine at least - you could get Chlorodyne in minute quantities in diarrhoea medications. It is an opium tincture - opium is ultimately morphine + codeine + some other less active alkaloids (thebaine) and you can of course get codeine with APAP in Syndol over the counter, codeine being the prodrug of morphine and a metabolite made in the liver after 1st pass metabolism. But I digress.

I used to take d-norpseudoephedrine quite frequently to aid in studying (very careful to regulate the amount when using it), partying (midnight flight energy drink is almost certainly cathine, not ephedrine or pseudoeph) and weight loss. It was great when you could walk into a pharmacy and buy something yielding vast quantities of euphoria (albeit a little harsh on the sympathetic nervous system in addition to the desirable central nervous system affects). I have never been as fit in my entire life after using that stuff every week and clubbing hard.

It is extremely dangerous to overdo though and the hangover is terrible. If you did it everyday, all day you would probably look far worse than a crackhead or tik smoker. Because it was S2 there's this general misconception that it's safe. It is probably safer only in that you would not be able to use it everyday like methamphetamine users do. A lot of my friends would prefer Leanor drops to illicit drugs like cocaine and MDMA. Makes you think hey?

If you are above the law:
Clenbuterol + T3 + Ephedrine / Phentermine(duromine). :cool: or get hold of adderall (ADD medication thats a mix of amphetatime salts, only that not ritalin or concerta).
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Can you even get adderall here at all since d-Amphetamine and l-Amphetamine are S7 controlled substances along with Cocaine, Heroin, LSD and PCP. I don't want to recommend this to anyone, but you'd probably be better off obtaining pure crystal methamphetamine (main ingredient in Tik) and using it responsibly (it is called Desoxyn when prescribed) as far as how availability and risk relate into the equation since you'd probably have to import adderall through the post, unless they do stock it here. Methamp is more neurotoxic than normal amphetamine but mainly because people use it more frequent and it lasts longer. It is highly highly addictive, probably the most addictive substance known to man. Heroin is not nearly as addictive (although potential for dependence is worse with heroin).

Clenbuterol is S4 which is not too difficult to get and is used in veterinary medicine, Phentermine is S5 so I'm also unaware how you'd get it too easily although I have managed to get an S5 but my pharmacist knew it was a frequently prescribed med and I had forgotten that the repeats were up, T3 is a codeine containing drug right? We have an OTC high codeine content product sold here already, almost the same codeine per dose, but they use a loophole to get it in S2.

I don't want to say what or how, because I don't want it to get pushed into a different schedule and since I am a chronic pain sufferer I'd prefer to be able to get strong painkillers without begging "God Complex" doctors and re-explaining over and over I can't take NSAIDs or Aspirin which leaves only APAP / panado (far too weak)... and then all they give is a cardiotoxic drugs like Lentogesic that are completely ineffective (having affinity for the mu2 receptor - ie the receptor that makes you sedated and produces dangerous repiratory depression instead of analgesia). Propoxyphene has been shown to be as affective as aspirin in analgesia, why it is used is beyond me. It should be used like methadone is, to wean pain patients and abusers off opiates.

Sida cordifolia is a good legal source of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine in addition to cold medication which would be slightly adulterated with APAP or other medicines to remain OTC. I have never tried it but heard some good things about it.

EDIT: Back OT: The best med I used to lose weight by far is Ultima Burn X-Press, over the counter (not even necessarily at a pharmacy) and it contains a lot of caffeine, white willow bark (salycilic acid) and phelypropanolamine with some of the more stimulating vitamins. Better than ECA although it is trying to mimic it with various thermogenic compounds. I did it with the half-arsed use if the Atkins diet, plenty of yoghurt, lots of chicken breasts, only rye bread and even though I ate very well, like a pig in fact just no sugar and a little starch, I still managed to drop 15kg in a month. By 2 months I had lost about 25kgs and with discipline I kept that off for a long time. I'm a big guy, at 115kg I was slighly overweight not obese at all so 25kgs in 2months sounds extreme but it wasn't that bad. I went from being pudgy to looking really good and I could bare to look at myself in the mirror without a shirt again. My metabolism has always been fast, to get to 115kg I ate probably about 2 or 3 times as much as an equivalently built person would. About 6 large meals a day. 3 king steers burgers + chips and a litre of coke was a nice meal for me, probably would have been starving a few hours later.

This formulation I would label a possible stroke risk, so people with migraines and high blood pressure need to stay far away from it.
 
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Wow, all the drugs :/

Drugs R bad, mkay :/
 
"Ever wondered what's really in that magical weight-loss potion."You can take any combination of weight-loss supplements,but without diet and exercise,you won't manage your weight." says weight loss expert Dr David Katz

From Men's health magazine
 
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