Pig heads left in mosque

[PeterCH]

O RLY

Yes. Scientific proof please. I'm looking for legit academic journals or at least works written by respected academics in their fields. Also have comparative studies been done? Have researches actually gone through the documents and compared RELIGIOUS vs SECULAR courts and their treatment of people?

You see THAT is necessary to prove the Church did some evil acts in that time, and to trace that back to the Pope.

Here is an example of a valid document, outspoken church haters choose to ignore:

We define and declare by these Our letters, or by any translation thereof signed by any notary public and sealed with the seal of any ecclesiastical dignitary, to which the same credit shall be given as to the originals, that, notwithstanding whatever may have been or may be said to the contrary, the said Indians and all other people who may later be discovered by Christians, are by no means to be deprived of their liberty or the possession of their property, ...

By virtue of Our apostolic authority We define and declare by these present letters, or by any translation thereof signed by any notary public and sealed with the seal of any ecclesiastical dignitary, which shall thus command the same obedience as the originals, that the said Indians and other peoples should be converted to the faith of Jesus Christ by preaching the word of God and by the example of good and holy living.

Dated: May 29, 1537

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Paul03/p3subli.htm

 

[w1z4rd]

Just emotional vitriol with no real science to back it up, nor to compare it to non-ecclesiastic courts. So just hearsay and ravings of some anti-church demagogue.

Which science would cover this? I mean.. what would be the real "science"? Where would I go to find "scientific" articles on subjects like this? Im trying to find any of this historically based science you keep referring to.. like could you give me the journal it gets published in? Or perhaps you could give me some examples of what would be good "scientific" work for this kinda topic?

Im totally curious as to this magical science you keep referring to that covers theses topics. How am I ment to debate with your appeal to my sense of authority if I dont know what the authority is?

I kinda wanna know where those goal posts are for "science" in this area. Im sure there is something because you refer to it so often, but I need to look at whats considered proper in these discussions.

Im also a little shocked at your dislike for anecdotal evidence, as thats exactly what religions are completely made up of.

 

[d0b33]

Hijacked? Like Israel Hijacked Palestine? Nah Spain Belongs to the muslim and so does the rest of the world

No religion belongs to any country, religion should be a choice and people should be allowed to practice their faith in peace.

Israeli's are also slowly turning against the occupation and religious status of Israel, this is an Israeli organization by Jews and other faiths...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B'Tselem
http://www.btselem.org/english/
Once again it shows that religion is not needed for peace but unity.

 

[d0b33]

He meant that the whole entire world belongs to Muslims.

And I said that the world belongs to no religion.

 

[w1z4rd]

I know that real jews are against Zionism and the Illegal state of Israel does not represent Judaism.

The "illegal" state of Israel? No offense mate, but you come off sounding silly when you say that, considering that its mostly the same people who decided on the borders for Israel, that decided on the borders of almost all the other middle eastern countries... and most of the rest of the world.

So by using your logical fallacy.. all countries are illegal

Its just illegal cause you dont like its people and their beliefs.. no bigotry of course

 

[TheHiveMind]

By invading a nation without just cause and Killing its peaceful population and burning the homes and building settlements for foreigners to enter the captured land and giving it a name and making it a country whilst violating human rights etc etc legal?

Zionist cry about a Holocaust but look what they are doing to the Palestinians it reminds me of some Ghetto in Germany many years ago.

The Ghetto was in Poland

 

[TheHiveMind]

Hijacked Spain? Islam brought Knowledge and Light to the western world, when Europeans where in the darkness and everyone was free to believe whatever they wanted under the muslims when the Church was a major roadblock in scientific advancement. Racism,sexism was always rife in the west.You should be grateful to the muslims .

You can keep on crying here on a forum but you cannot do a thing to stop Islam frail people need a forum to voice themselves because saying crap in person is dangerous

*Yawn*

Actually I think its you that cannot lift a finger towards the west. And I think you know it. Hence your bitterness.

 

[w1z4rd]

By invading a nation without just cause and Killing its peaceful population and burning the homes and building settlements for foreigners to enter the captured land and giving it a name and making it a country whilst violating human rights etc etc legal?

That sounds like what just about every country and culture has done or is doing at the moment. Im confused... every single one of those points you mentioned can be attributed to Islamic nations, Jewish nations and Christian nations.

Zionist cry about a Holocaust but look what they are doing to the Palestinians it reminds me of some Ghetto in Germany many years ago.

To compare the systematic annihalation of a cultural group to the forced removal of a cultural group is waaaaaaaaaay out. Its like you are comparing the Holocaust to Apartheid. Which is retarded. Apartheid while really really stupid was no where near as bad as the Holocaust.

Also trying to tie in modern day Israel and whats happening to Nazi Ghettos is bad.

Were the Jews able to vote in these nazi ghettos? No
Did the Jews have basic civil rights in these nazi ghettos? No
Could the Jews freely leave the Nazi ghettos? No

Do muslims have the right to vote in Israel? Yes
Do muslims have basic human rights in Israel? Yes
Can muslims freely leave Israel? Yes

While I understand your method of debate is to try liken Israel to Nazi Germany.. its a complet logical fallacy, and while it make work on simple people who breathe in rhetoric and propaganda.. it only makes smarter people more suspicious and your arguments less credible.

 

[w1z4rd]

I laughed at this , you really know nothing.

Yes sunshine, whatever you say. Bleh.. one of you. Do you know whats wrong with Islam... not the religion.. but followers like you.

 

[Frankie]

Islam Civilizes a person but people like you are a filth.

Yeah, we can see just how civilised

 

[w1z4rd]

xcuse me Wizard, i actually think that it is the religion which created followers like him... or i'm just being polite, and it's Genetic, lol?

jk, i think it's the religion, i hope

this has never really changed, it's always been so over time, and in different cultures and populations

Naaah, its the followers. Take a look in the PD section, there are a couple of reasonable Christians.. then some really thick bricks who are polarized in their opinions...

While religion allows the thick ones their justifications for doing their dishonesty or being involved in immoral acts, it also allows for the good in people to grow.

The person will warp their religion and their God to suite their own personalities.

 

[PeterCH]

Naaah, its the followers. Take a look in the PD section, there are a couple of reasonable Christians.. then some really thick bricks who are polarized in their opinions...

While religion allows the thick ones their justifications for doing their dishonesty or being involved in immoral acts, it also allows for the good in people to grow.

The person will warp their religion and their God to suite their own personalities.

I though the PD section was about a group of atheists with nothing better to do than moan how some witches were burned in the middle ages and how all content and satisfied religious people are idiots and should have their beliefs banned. I guess its not the same PD section Wiz is alluding to.

 

[PeterCH]

The Ghetto was in Poland

Actually Ghettos were in all Nazi controlled territories. They also existed in Soviet controlled territories, because the Soviets also rounded up Jews and shipped many off them off to the Nazis before 1941.

 

[Frankie]

Is this deliberately being derailed?

Don't like the topic then attempt to derail it and hope no one notices.

 

[Kloofvreter]

Just like the Hindus burnt down a few churches recently because the christians are forcing the poor to become christians? Christianity is the religion that was spread by the sword.

Today nothing is left of the original christianity this is a watered down religion.

*yawn * Islam is the most unforgiving of the major religions out there. Hang a guy if he is gay, chop off his hands of he steals, etc etc. Sha'ria is the most disgusting set of laws in existence. Stone a girl to death because she was raped and got pregnant out of wedlock? And this happened in the 90's!

 

[Frankie]

*yawn * Islam is the most unforgiving of the major religions out there. Hang a guy if he is gay, chop off his hands of he steals, etc etc. Sha'ria is the most disgusting set of laws in existence. Stone a girl to death because she was raped and got pregnant out of wedlock? And this happened in the 90's!

You're not going to get a response from "TheWatcher" now that it's banned, but one of its clones/sockpuppets might chime in.