Pigspotter case docket sent to public prosecutor

How come they don't have a problem with radio stations mentioning "Smile zones" or whatever they call them on your respective stations?
 
House said:
Yes, you are totally correct. The only way in which the PS will be traced will be when the police gets a court order and serve it on Twitter, who will in turn supply his IP address. However, from my own experience here goes:

Twitter is in the US and will not act if contacted by the SAPS. They will require a court order. A South African court order wont do either, so here is the process:

1. Once prosecution decides to proceed, the I/O would need to finish the investigation by obtaining the relevant affidavits and evidence. (Could take a month to a year)

2. The I/O will need to apply for a court order for the info from Twitter. (Takes about a day)

3. The court order will now go to Interpol, who will in turn refer it to US law enforcement agencies. Once there a court will review the matter, and if in agreement issue a court order there. That order will be served on Twitter. (This could take 3 years or longer. I left the police in 2005. I sent 2 orders to ebay in 2002. Last year the docket was still closed and nothing came back as yet. The fastest one I got back from the US was in 4 years.)

4. Twitter will now send documents to US law enforcement who will send it to Interpol, who in turn will send it back to SA. (Could take about a year if the documents dont get missing somewhere along the way)

5. The I/O now needs to re-apply for court orders on the telecommunications department. (Another day).

6. Telecommunications now have 30 days to provide the info on the phone number from where the dialup was made to the Internet.

I bet you all, this case will not be completed - with proper evidence - within at least the next 5-8 years.
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...And how long does an ISP have to keep logs of their IP allocations? 3 years isn't it?
So finally, when the cops have all the info back from Twitter, the ISP cannot tell them who had that IP waaay back in 2010
 
jacauc said:
...And how long does an ISP have to keep logs of their IP allocations? 3 years isn't it?
So finally, when the cops have all the info back from Twitter, the ISP cannot tell them who had that IP waaay back in 2010
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Even assuming he's using a single IP, and not any shared ones.

Are the cops going to charge out to half a dozen wi-fi spots around the city and interogate the waiters/librarians as to who was sitting there 5 years ago?
 
What is the difference of having your GPS tell you where the speed traps are or Pigspotter?
 
alloytoo said:
Even assuming he's using a single IP, and not any shared ones.

Are the cops going to charge out to half a dozen wi-fi spots around the city and interogate the waiters/librarians as to who was sitting there 5 years ago?
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lol ye, i was wondering about that!
 
Asterix_T said:
What is the difference of having your GPS tell you where the speed traps are or Pigspotter?
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never thought of that!! there is gps software that can allow you to be updated regarding speed traps and road block already!?

do the cops really think that they will stop this? they 'MIGHT' stop pigspotter, but someone else will just take his place.

What a waste of police/lawyer/detectives resources. I bet if I offered them all R500 each, they would forget the whole thing!

 
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kevinswan007 said:
never thought of that!! there is gps software that can allow you to be updated regarding speed traps and road block already!?

do the cops really think that they will stop this? they 'MIGHT' stop pigspotter, but someone else will just take his place.

What a waste of police/lawyer/detectives resources. I bet if I offered them all R500 each, they would forget the whole thing!

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We've had this discussion elsewhere again and again and again...Your GPS doesn't warn you of roadblocks, for starters, because roadblocks move around. They only warn you of permanent speed cameras, which most people know of in any case.
 
There must be similar sites/twits overseas, anyone know what the law think of them?
 
House said:
Twitter is in the US and will not act if contacted by the SAPS. They will require a court order. A South African court order wont do either, so here is the process:
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On what do you base that? Have you got any proof of that?

Why won't they act on a South Africa Police warrant or court order?

It happens all the time that ISPs give respect to authorities from other countries.

How do you think the US authorities get the names of offenders in other countries? They don't have to wait years for it.

Especially in the case of Child pornography they can actually act very quickly... but more recently there has been much international co-operation over copyright infringement as well.

It won't take 8 years... 8 months maybe... but more like 8 weeks.
 
Gauteng Metro police opened a case of crimen injuria against PigSpotter
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Can I open a case of crimen injuria against Geateng Metro Police for failing to enforce the law (read. Taxi's apparently exempt from the law) as per mandate?
 
Durandal said:
We've had this discussion elsewhere again and again and again...Your GPS doesn't warn you of roadblocks, for starters, because roadblocks move around. They only warn you of permanent speed cameras, which most people know of in any case.
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http://www.trapster.com/

A way better system than following some dude on twitter...
 
stricken said:
Can I open a case of crimen injuria against Geateng Metro Police for failing to enforce the law (read. Taxi's apparently exempt from the law) as per mandate?
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I think you need to go look up the meaning of 'crimen injuria' first. Then you'll be able to answer that question yourself. ;-)
 
this guy is acctually contributing to road safety,motorist would actually slow down and obey traffic signs in areas were he warned about traffic officers...there is nothing criminal abt what he is doing,unless all motorist driving on Gauteng roads are 'wanted'
 
Garyvdh said:
On what do you base that? Have you got any proof of that?

Why won't they act on a South Africa Police warrant or court order?

It happens all the time that ISPs give respect to authorities from other countries.

How do you think the US authorities get the names of offenders in other countries? They don't have to wait years for it.

Especially in the case of Child pornography they can actually act very quickly... but more recently there has been much international co-operation over copyright infringement as well.

It won't take 8 years... 8 months maybe... but more like 8 weeks.
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I have been working in the SAPS for 13 year. My last 6 I investigated Hi-Tech Computer Crimes, which included Internet Fraud on my mandate.

I know, I had to do it that way. It always worked that way.

Let's wait and see what happens in 8 weeks.

Taking down a website for child porn or copyright infringements is no problem. Even you or me can have a site taken down in 24 hours.

They will, however, not act on a SA Court Order. It can not be enforced there,

lol :)
 
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