Pitso: Apartheid still divides our blacks

Knyro said:
Black people (generally) find English easier. Why? Because their families and friends already speak it so they get more exposure to it growing up

Even if you could somehow objectively prove that Afrikaans in and of itself is easier than English, it makes no difference to somebody that grew up with English around them. That exposure alone will make English easier to them than Afrikaans.
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Uhm...... why are you directly comparing the current time to a previous one?

At the time..... how many blacks were as in your words "already speak it so they get more exposure to it growing up"?

Did the English majority thing not specifically happen as a way to politically counter Afrikaans?
 
rambo919 said:
Uhm...... why are you directly comparing the current time to a previous one?

At the time..... how many blacks were as in your words "already speak it so they get more exposure to it growing up"?

Did the English majority thing not specifically happen as a way to politically counter Afrikaans?
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You think that didn't hold true back then? Even old black people speak English better than they do Afrikaans.

It was probably a bit of both. These things are rarely decided by a single factor.
 
Knyro said:
You think that didn't hold true back then? Even old black people speak English better than they do Afrikaans.

It was probably a bit of both. These things are rarely decided by a single factor.
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In my experience the exact opposite, many old people don't speak a word of English.

In rural western cape it's even worse..... many middle aged colourds don't understand it at all. English only started becoming a thing with the youth because of schools and bad music.
 
Knyro said:
Black people (generally) find English easier. Why? Because their families and friends already speak it so they get more exposure to it growing up
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As the official representative of black people on mybroadband can you actually state this as a fact?

Knyro said:
Even if you could somehow objectively prove that Afrikaans in and of itself is easier than English, it makes no difference to somebody that grew up with English around them. That exposure alone will make English easier to them than Afrikaans.
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Linguistically, it is much simpler than English. There are much less rules involved with pronunciation for example.

And English is only really the lingua-franca in the cities. In rural areas, Afrikaans is very popular.

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konfab said:
And English is only really the lingua-franca in the cities. In rural areas, Afrikaans is very popular.
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People have this idea that their city bubble=real life for everyone.

Most of the rural areas are still dominated by Afrikaans one way or another.
 
rambo919 said:
People have this idea that their city bubble=real life for everyone.

Most of the rural areas are still dominated by Afrikaans one way or another.
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And over 65% of the population in SA live in cities. Thanks for adding credence to my point.

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Oops, meant to quote @konfab
 
Knyro said:
And over 65% of the population in SA live in cities. Thanks for adding credence to my point.
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And that negates his charts how? In the cities Afrikaans still dominate only in private.... business language has been forced to be english thus you wont ever encounter Afrikaans in normal business normally.... using business interaction as a measure is bound to skew the results.
 
rambo919 said:
And that negates his charts how? In the cities Afrikaans still dominate only in private.... business language has been forced to be english thus you wont ever encounter Afrikaans in normal business normally.... using business interaction as a measure is bound to skew the results.
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It means it's more likely that more people have English as a second language instead of Afrikaans.
 
We're forgetting Afrikaans is deliberately stigmatized, associated with white only, thus aprtheid, then abused for own goals. People won't admit it though. We even have our own champ flamer here on mybb, caught with his hand in that cookie jar more than once. :rolleyes:
 
Knyro said:
It means it's more likely that more people have English as a second language instead of Afrikaans.
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Or both.... they just never speak afrikaans where they know they will be judged negatively for it. Some blacks still have afrikaans as a primary language though I would not know how prevalent that is.
 
Looking again at the chart, it might be best administratively to lower the 11 official language madness to 6.....
 
Knyro said:
Also lol at people preferring it at the time. And here I thought they protested against learning in Afrikaans to the point of getting shot.
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It can't be, the blacks loved and preferred Afrikaans so they must have been protesting against English. You sure you are not revising history?:unsure:
 
Sollie said:
Jy's laat boet. #51.
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Naa vheiwe no to lotshelwa vengo? Ndiuri ngoho ni do to vhenga uswika nitshi dzhena zwaloni. Ndi uri li tovha lone ifa line na do li sia na zwibegwa zwavheiwe kha heli la Nwali.
 
Excalibur said:
Naa vheiwe no to lotshelwa vengo? Ndiuri ngoho ni do to vhenga uswika nitshi dzhena zwaloni. Ndi uri li tovha lone ifa line na do li sia na zwibegwa zwavheiwe kha heli la Nwali.
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Thanks for the question. Obviously it infers you don't understand the English in #15, yet understood the Afrikaans in #75. :)

Have a great weekend.
 
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