I wonder if Eskom is working hard enough to stop or prevent all those illegal connections in townships. The people that pay for electricity end up getting punished by Eishkom while the free-loaders don't feel anything.
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Please reduce power usage: Eskom
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Mike Hoxbig
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Nice to know that I'm paying more each year, and being told to cut down in return.
daveza
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Meanwhile...
BHP Billiton pays between 8.8c/kWh-10c/kWh for electricity, while normal consumers pay as much as 120/ kWh.
BHP Billiton pays between 8.8c/kWh-10c/kWh for electricity, while normal consumers pay as much as 120/ kWh.
Finally someone who understands
Although the minister of energy or whatever, at that time, was part of the reason behind the no-building policy. No use trying to bring in competition when there is little or no profit margin... you can't be competitive at those prices.
Nah it's a fair bit more than that hey. But remember that they get high-voltage power, with no transformers in-between, so they skip all the extra components that push up prices.
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It all started at the end of apartheid when the comrades took the reins. There were sufficient mothballed coal stations for reserve capacity should the need arise. Over the years these stations came online for production. Though the money to build new stations was *surprise* squandered and only when Koeberg went down in what 2008 did the country really realise that we were now running at 100% capacity.
The other problem is that the coal industry and even the transport companies that deliver the coal, are often owned by comrades. So they charge high rates to Eskom, who they authorise to go ahead, and then there is a budget deficit. Then there is the problem of the distribution network being neglected, because once again, the money is not spent where it should be.
If you guys do not want to cut down on your power usage to be inconvenient to your living standards (lazy buggers), why not look at more efficient technologies. For example heating water in homes can often be 50% + of your electricity cost. There are now heat pumps which can save you up to 70% on your geyser power. More efficient gases like the R134 can make air conditioners also much more efficient. The heat pumps can also be used for pool heating. The heat pumps and solar panel installations are offered with rebates by Eskom to encourage people to install these systems.
The other problem is that the coal industry and even the transport companies that deliver the coal, are often owned by comrades. So they charge high rates to Eskom, who they authorise to go ahead, and then there is a budget deficit. Then there is the problem of the distribution network being neglected, because once again, the money is not spent where it should be.
If you guys do not want to cut down on your power usage to be inconvenient to your living standards (lazy buggers), why not look at more efficient technologies. For example heating water in homes can often be 50% + of your electricity cost. There are now heat pumps which can save you up to 70% on your geyser power. More efficient gases like the R134 can make air conditioners also much more efficient. The heat pumps can also be used for pool heating. The heat pumps and solar panel installations are offered with rebates by Eskom to encourage people to install these systems.
Most people have already cut down as much as is really feasible. Besides we shouldn't have to cut back. More capacity should be built with room to spare, so the country can grow. Dirty coal stations, nuclear, whatever it takes. Hell, build stations that run off sustainable development nuts.
HavocXphere
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Yeah the fools who signed those damn industrial contracts don't have enough foresight to put one foot in front of the other...
daveza
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As at September 2012.
And I'm happy to make it a round 20c/kWh - that's still six times cheaper than what we pay.
Shake&Bake
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/goes walking around putting on everything
That's what I do when I see those pesky sroll ads on they telly.
That's what I do when I see those pesky sroll ads on they telly.
yes, but they buy at transmission voltage, so it costs Eskom much less than what your 240V costs - granted, they pay below cost of generation, but those contracts were signed when Eskom still thought they would be allowed to build more power stations in the early 2000's
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Been there, done all of that, even got the T-shirt and Eskom still makes me feel like crap every time I turn on an energy efficient light bulb.
Recruitsmiths
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Well this flummoxed me...returning from JHB Int airport around 2pm, in broad daylight, I noticed the street lights on along the entire length of Olifantsfontein Road to my Ranjesfontein turnoff, a distance of about 10km....I have often noticed same also in Noordwyk, Midrand. Isn't this a huge wastage?
Eskom should have a few "hotline email addresses" where we can report this....
Eskom should have a few "hotline email addresses" where we can report this....
daveza
Honorary Master
So it costs Eskom money to sell their product to Billiton - what a brilliant business plan.
And the contracts were drawn up under ANC rule apparently without an end-date.
daveza
Honorary Master
TIA - lights are left on during the day in an attempt to prevent cable theft.
noswal
Executive Member
so bhpbiliton produces metals? which in another thread they want to have an export ban? or am I generalizing too much?
makes me laugh
makes me laugh
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yes, IIRC around R5B/year at the moment
no, AFAIK, the boere were still in charge when the contracts were drawn up
HavocXphere
Honorary Master
In the locations yes. If its at a road then its just a TIA screwup.
daveza
Honorary Master
ok, some in ANC times, but that was when Eskom was still thinking there were going to be new stations - the contracts are very complicated and are commodity linked in nature i.e. if aluminum price is high Eskom scores and vice versa - big gamble, but at that stage Eskom still incentivised people to use more electricity
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kimbo
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Why cant we just sell excess electricity back to Eskom? Just think: a piece of land that is uneconomical to plant can be converted to solar or wind farm and so creating jobs and in turn get more electricity to Eskom so they don't have to build this expensive coal stations and we don't get increases.