Power Balance admits no science behind bracelets

Wait for the iRenew Bracelet coming to a scam artist near you...
 
This thing works,

I put it on my ADSL modem and suddenly I could download at 20mbps

Whaaaaaahahahahahaha
 
I want some of these

New from skepticbros.com – Placebo Band. No more popping pills, painful needles or smelly ointments. Simply pop Placebo Band on your wrist and you’re good to go.

Availabe in 2 stylish shades Placebo Band features two eye catching holograms that not only attract and impress others but also remind you that you’re wearing Placebo Band long after the sensation on the wrist has subsided. Placebo Band uses two powerful, scientifically proven effects, the placebo effect (Placebo) and confirmation bias (Confirmation Bias), that, combined with a subtle alteration in your own activities, help to strengthen your own personal desired outcomes and even desired outcomes in others!
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* forgive the cross-post, but it is relevant here too ~
 
The word "idiot" has become a verbal crutch. Such-and-such a politician is an idiot, some idiot flashed their lights at me this morning, etc. The meaning of the word "idiot" is a person of low intelligence. I do not think there is any basis to summarily dismiss people who wear this bracelet as being of low intelligence. There are many highly intelligent and well educated people who subscribe to unscientific ideas for all kinds of reasons, for example the loving parent who, in desperation that their child recover from an incurable illness, decides to try alternative therapies, not because they believe these therapies will necessarily work, but because they feel it's better than sitting by and doing nothing. Placebo response is physiologically and psychologically real. For some, a bracelet may be the key to unlocking self confidence or reducing chronic pain. If a person perceives that their quality of life is improved when wearing one of these bracelets, can one really say they are talking nonsense?
 
Wish it was me that came up with this concept.... what easy money?
 
I will say again, anyone who bought them, are wearing them and still believe in them.. are idiots.
 
No No No.

Don't avoid these people. Check out who wears them at bars. Much easier to pick up than the smarter people.

Score!
 
Jamal said:
The word "idiot" has become a verbal crutch. Such-and-such a politician is an idiot, some idiot flashed their lights at me this morning, etc. The meaning of the word "idiot" is a person of low intelligence. I do not think there is any basis to summarily dismiss people who wear this bracelet as being of low intelligence. There are many highly intelligent and well educated people who subscribe to unscientific ideas for all kinds of reasons, for example the loving parent who, in desperation that their child recover from an incurable illness, decides to try alternative therapies, not because they believe these therapies will necessarily work, but because they feel it's better than sitting by and doing nothing. Placebo response is physiologically and psychologically real. For some, a bracelet may be the key to unlocking self confidence or reducing chronic pain. If a person perceives that their quality of life is improved when wearing one of these bracelets, can one really say they are talking nonsense?
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The fact that your placebo-seeking parents sketch a sad hypothetical picture does not make the action any less idiotic. Such people deserve a slap upside the head, not sympathy. Whether or not poephol tag-wearers are of low intelligence is immaterial - it remains a sign of low levels of applied intelligence. The argument that there might be a surplus of cognitive function at best means that some who fall for the hype are mentally lazy, whilst the remainder are... wait for it... idiots. Being mentally lazy is arguably a hell of a lot worse than being mentally deficient.

As an aside, whilst the placebo response does sometimes lead to some odd results in clinical trials, vesting one's continued health in treatments that have been conclusively shown to do f'all is monumentally stupid.
 
What bending of forks?! I learnt how to get bent by spoons!

It is not the spoon that bends! Only yourself!

That's actually quite true iro the placebo effect.
 
enigma243 said:
The fact that your placebo-seeking parents sketch a sad hypothetical picture does not make the action any less idiotic. Such people deserve a slap upside the head, not sympathy. Whether or not poephol tag-wearers are of low intelligence is immaterial - it remains a sign of low levels of applied intelligence. The argument that there might be a surplus of cognitive function at best means that some who fall for the hype are mentally lazy, whilst the remainder are... wait for it... idiots. Being mentally lazy is arguably a hell of a lot worse than being mentally deficient.

As an aside, whilst the placebo response does sometimes lead to some odd results in clinical trials, vesting one's continued health in treatments that have been conclusively shown to do f'all is monumentally stupid.
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With antidepressant drugs for example, the placebo response rate generally lies in the 40% - 60% range. This is very high and it is the nature of psychiatric disease that the placebo response rate is high because both psychiatric disease and placebo response have a strong psychological component to them which is susceptible to positive thought. In these cases, placebo response is not an oddity. In the olden days in America, they used to mix a small quantity of pharmacologically inert pills into batches of opioid painkillers in order to help prevent tolerance and patients were usually none the wiser. It is not only "stupid" and "gullible" people who are placebo responders and there is no shame in being a placebo responder. If somebody wears a harmless bracelet and is lucky enough to be a placebo responder and experiences relief from their depression and they opt to continue relying on this bracelet for relief rather than using potentially addictive psychiatric mediciation with sometimes serious side effects, then I think it is baseless to accuse them of being stupid or intellectually lazy.
 
Jamal you are missing the point. No one has issues with the placebo effect of these bracelets. The issue is that it was marketed, at an exorbitant price, as a medically proven device. If it was marketed as a placebo device, 50 bucks says no one would have bought it or at best, paid R20 for it. The same goes for these copper bangles that was the rage a couple of years back that "draw" toxins from your body.
 
Jamal said:
With antidepressant drugs for example, the placebo response rate generally lies in the 40% - 60% range. This is very high and it is the nature of psychiatric disease that the placebo response rate is high because both psychiatric disease and placebo response have a strong psychological component to them which is susceptible to positive thought. In these cases, placebo response is not an oddity. In the olden days in America, they used to mix a small quantity of pharmacologically inert pills into batches of opioid painkillers in order to help prevent tolerance and patients were usually none the wiser. It is not only "stupid" and "gullible" people who are placebo responders and there is no shame in being a placebo responder. If somebody wears a harmless bracelet and is lucky enough to be a placebo responder and experiences relief from their depression and they opt to continue relying on this bracelet for relief rather than using potentially addictive psychiatric mediciation with sometimes serious side effects, then I think it is baseless to accuse them of being stupid or intellectually lazy.
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A harmless bracelet, proven to do nothing, costing upwards of R400...? The world does not need it. People who deem it necessary to defend such utter crap are frankly more reprehensible than those selling the snake oil.
 
I've just gone around the office and pulled all the Microsoft Certified holographs of all the PC's, then I stuck them all over myself. In an instant I turned into a superhero Bill Gates, unfortunately the only special power I developed was the ability to convince gullible people that Windows is a real and very stable operating system...:D
 
Boksie said:
I've just gone around the office and pulled all the Microsoft Certified holographs of all the PC's, then I stuck them all over myself. In an instant I turned into a superhero Bill Gates, unfortunately the only special power I developed was the ability to convince gullible people that Windows is a real and very stable operating system...:D
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:D :D
 
lcbxx said:
Jamal you are missing the point. No one has issues with the placebo effect of these bracelets. The issue is that it was marketed, at an exorbitant price, as a medically proven device. If it was marketed as a placebo device, 50 bucks says no one would have bought it or at best, paid R20 for it. The same goes for these copper bangles that was the rage a couple of years back that "draw" toxins from your body.
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Catch 22. If the wearer knows it's only a placebo effect, it won't work, would it? Still, I cannot believe how many people buy this trash. :eek:
 
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