poweralert stage 2.....

[Lupus]

Yes, but it's kinda useless reducing it to individual circumstances if we are talking about demand that affect the power grid, your neighbour could easily compensate for the 2000W that is on in Diepsloot.

I am of the view that the demand patterns are not what we might think they are even with the illegal connections, but I do appreciate without any date there isn't much to work on.

So the overloaded substations and the load reduction isn't an indication?

 

[TheChamp]

I hate heaters but the people i work with are all extremally sensitive and bitch and moan about any form of cold, they all sitting with heaters on in the office those small ones and im just chilling with my hoodie... Our inverter is chilling at like 3kwh just from those 3 guys... We originally had a 5kwh installed and because of them had to get another 5 installed so 10 kwh for a small office like tiny and 4 people work in it...

When everyone has their little 2000W under their desk for the whole day? Makes the one hotplate that is on in Diepsloot look like a picnic.

 

[Brian_G]

We'll never see the end of massive free usage, but at least they could also keep the fleet going... you'd think
There's more to this. Why I think it's a Socialist plot.

When everyone has their little 2000W under their desk for the whole day? Makes the one hotplate that is on in Diepsloot look like a picnic.

Both exaggerations of course. Thing is, the volume of people involved in places like Diepsloot is the real numbers amplifier.

 

[Lupus]

We'll never see the end of massive free usage, but at least they could also keep the fleet going... you'd think
There's more to this. Why I think it's a Socialist plot.


Both exaggerations of course. Thing is, the volume of people involved in places like Diepsloot is the real numbers amplifier.

That is the part he's not seeing, literally the sub station is crying... Why is it crying cause there is a high load.

Also can anyone explain why people seem to think Eskom had less load shedding cause of BRICS, instead of focusing on the fact that the government is so inept they couldn't stop it for 3 days.

 

[TheChamp]

So the overloaded substations and the load reduction isn't an indication?

As I previously said, most of poor areas that were electrified after democracy are on the 20A supply, the whole network and switchgear is designed for that. You can burn things just by exceeding that, even when your demand is still less than someone in a suburb with a 60A supply.

Load reduction talks to the local grid and it's localised overloading, not necessarily the national demand, that's why we can have an area with load reduction even though there is no loadshedding.

 

[CrypticZA]

Isn't the double glazed supposed to keep heat in?

I thought so too but i assume there is no heat being generated inside to keep in... It gets very stuffy and horrible in here once the heaters are on...

 

[Brian_G]

Also can anyone explain why people seem to think Eskom had less load shedding cause of BRICS, instead of focusing on the fact that the government is so inept they couldn't stop it for 3 days.

Suburbean people don't pay much attention to the facts as they're relying on apps to spoonfeed their shedding involvement, so easy to mislead or confuse.

 

[Lupus]

As I previously said, most of poor areas that were electrified after democracy are on the 20A supply, the whole network and switchgear is designed for that. You can burn things just by exceeding that, even when your demand is still less than someone in a suburb with a 60A supply.

Load reduction talks to the local grid and it's localised overloading, not necessarily the national demand, that's why we can have an area with load reduction even though there is no loadshedding.

As I've stated 20a is still 4600w, what you're not focusing on is numbers. Most people in the suburbs pay, therefore they monitor their usage. So you cannot compare a suburb with a "poor" areas where the majority don't pay.

Yes load reduction is done on the local grid generally in those "poor" areas cause of why exactly? I mean why would they need to prevent the local substation from blowing up? Is it cause everyone is being mindful and careful with electricity they are paying for?

 

[Lupus]

Suburbean people don't pay much attention to the facts as they're relying on apps to spoonfeed their shedding involvement, so easy to mislead or confuse.

The funniest is one argued with me that she didn't experience loadshedding while BRICs was here, it's like well you must've been lucky or oh look your block was scheduled late night and middle of the day, perhaps you weren't around or sleeping. But I know people in that block and they were definitely down + a few extra hours thanks to it not coming back.

 

[Brian_G]

The funniest is one argued with me that she didn't experience loadshedding while BRICs was here, it's like well you must've been lucky or oh look your block was scheduled late night and middle of the day, perhaps you weren't around or sleeping. But I know people in that block and they were definitely down + a few extra hours thanks to it not coming back.

So it's like a yuppie social thing then? "Oh, we're special, look how we weren't shed..."
Lol

 

[Lupus]

So it's like a yuppie social thing then? "Oh, we're special, look how we weren't shed..."
Lol

Must be, but it's silly cause it actually makes it like Eskom and ANC seem to have control, instead of the reality they are so inept they couldn't even prevent LS for 3 days.

 

[TheChamp]

We'll never see the end of massive free usage, but at least they could also keep the fleet going... you'd think
There's more to this. Why I think it's a Socialist plot.


Both exaggerations of course. Thing is, the volume of people involved in places like Diepsloot is the real numbers amplifier.

No it's not the volume of people, it is the number of watts being pulled, a household of 10 people can use less electricity than a household of 4 people, again, it's a matter of scale and lifestyle.

Another example, a family of two parents and 3 children in a two roomed shack has their permanently on 2000W hotplate, they are sitting there keeping warm around it. The place is too small, not everyone can have their own individual hotplate, so they make do with the 2000W.

In a larney suburb somewhere, same sized family, the teenage daughter has locked herself in their bedroom and don't want to be bothered, with a 2000W heater to keep warm. The mom is working in the study, another 2000W heater, the two young ones are in their room, let's be frugal this time, a 600W wall heater is keeping the place warm. Finally the dad is watching TV, a 1000W fan heater.

Do you see what I am getting at?

 

[The_Librarian]

No it's not the volume of people, it is the number of watts being pulled, a household of 10 people can use less electricity than a household of 4 people, again, it's a matter of scale and lifestyle.

Another example, a family of two parents and 3 children in a two roomed shack has their permanently on 2000W hotplate, they are sitting there keeping warm around it. The place is too small, not everyone can have their own individual hotplate, so they make do with the 2000W.

In a larney suburb somewhere, same sized family, the teenage daughter has locked herself in their bedroom and don't want to be bothered, with a 2000W heater to keep warm. The mom is working in the study, another 2000W heater, the two young ones are in their room, let's be frugal this time, a 600W wall heater is keeping the place warm. Finally the dad is watching TV, a 1000W fan heater.

Do you see what I am getting at?

Then it boils down to who are not paying for electricity... it is the electricity thieves that's causing issues and problems for those who still do pay for their electricity.

Those who don't pay causes the price to go up in order to make up for the shortfall, leading to others paying more, and this (in turn) may cause some of those who are paying to consider illegal means of obtaining electricity as they are not able to keep up with payments, AS WELL AS overloaded substations as there is now absolutely no control over who is connected to which substation - and there's also no safety features (trip switches etc) which'll safely break the circuit in case of a short, earth leakage, or too high a current draw.

So, in the end, the mentality of "free electricity for all" will only cause major issues for everybody, and will cause the rest who's still paying for their electricity to switch over to alternative means (solar, generator, illegal means) of electricity.

 

[Brian_G]

Do you see what I am getting at?

Yep, but most or all already discussed. There's far more people using for heat in the places of concern, far less considerations for economy of scale 'cos it's "free", and who says it's just shacks... there's the culture of "free" and if one neighbour can help themselves so can any other.

Why might it be different in e.g. a place like Sandton? They grew up with a different understanding / values etc.

 

[Lupus]

Yep, but most or all already discussed. There's far more people using for heat in the places of concern, far less considerations for economy of scale 'cos it's "free", and who says it's just shacks... there's the culture of "free" and if one neighbour can help themselves so can any other.

Why might it be different in e.g. a place like Sandton? They grew up with a different understanding / values etc.

He also forgets no one in that larney suburb will be using that much electricity, cause guess what they pay for it.
Also that house with 4 people in it, takes up the same space as 10 shacks all using 2kw, so even if that household of 4 was using 9kw,the shacks are still double

 

[Brian_G]

He also forgets no one in that larney suburb will be using that much electricity, cause guess what they pay for it.
Also that house with 4 people in it, takes up the same space as 10 shacks all using 2kw, so even if that household of 4 was using 9kw,the shacks are still double

There also seems to be an idea that those with money are careless or couldn't give a hoot. I've known a few, far from it, in fact some of them only got to where they are by being economical enough.

 

[TheChamp]

There also seems to be an idea that those with money are careless or couldn't give a hoot. I've known a few, far from it, in fact some of them only got to where they are by being economical enough.

You are missing the point again, it's not about being careless, it's about how you live, the are people who prefer the aircon on in summer, they are not being wasteful or careless, that's how they live and they can pay for that. The same way people drive everywhere, even they can walk, that's how they live.

Do yes, you know people who made their money by saving every penny, but that's not the only way.

 

[TheChamp]

He also forgets no one in that larney suburb will be using that much electricity, cause guess what they pay for it.
Also that house with 4 people in it, takes up the same space as 10 shacks all using 2kw, so even if that household of 4 was using 9kw,the shacks are still double

You are also forgetting that not everyone is at your level, some people have the money to live their lives without worrying about little things, not everyone counts the number of kilometers they get from a tank of petrol, and not everyone goes around switching things off in all the rooms to make sure there's no wastage.

You seem to think everyone is frugal because they pay for it, there a levels to this thing.

 

[The_Librarian]

Any ways of bypassing the 20A throttling?

 

[TheChamp]

Any ways of bypassing the 20A throttling?

Climb up the pole, bypass the breaker, pull directly from the wire, which is also not a very thick wire.

Burn your wire and you will have to go connect you cable inside someone's yard, who shares the pole with about 3 other neighbours, that's when you will get yourself a good beating while being asked to explain what it wrong with your pole that you have to come and connect at other people's poles.

But we are pretty decent people for the most part so no tampering on the public property is happening for now, what I have heard is that some have bypassed the meter boxes inside their home.