poweralert stage 2.....

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wingnut771 said:
physics don't care about puppet masters
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Those negative buffer times scare me a little...assuming they mean what I think they mean.
 
R13... said:
I assume that excludes emergency reserves? It's only coal and nuclear, not even IPPs?
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I hope so. Precisely why I'm concerned seeing that. If that includes emergency reserves these guys are playing fast and loose for no reason.
 
R13... said:
I assume that excludes emergency reserves? It's only coal and nuclear, not even IPPs?
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The last column is the reserves, but they won't include IPP cause it isn't there's to add here
 
Iwojima said:
Then we should be shedding, not burning diesel en masse again.
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No, its why we are on a knife edge when a little mist or wet coal can cause loadshitting. Where are we burning diesel en masse? In April, they have been burning it the way the evil white man intended it to be burnt, during the morning and evening peak. Cheaper than running extra coal generators during offpeak. The problem is, they don't have any extra coal to bring online.
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wingnut771 said:
No, its why we are on a knife edge when a little mist or wet coal can cause loadshitting. Where are we burning diesel en masse? In April, they have been burning it the way the evil white man intended it to be burnt, during the morning and evening peak. Cheaper than running extra coal generators during offpeak. The problem is, they don't have any extra coal to bring online.
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Burning diesel for 4 hours a day and I mean looking at the numbers it's not all of them anyway is far cheaper then trying to ramp up coal in time for peaks. Especially if those peaks are 2GW over normal for only an hour, then you need to start wrapping up the coal production. More coal into those furnaces to produce more steam to turn those generators can take some time. Plus that's what was done in the past as well, burn the OCGTS during the peak to cover that 2GW over norm. Plus that massive increase in peak, is cause us solar users during the day.
I mean the UK uses their CCGTS a lot as well.
 
Lupus said:
Burning diesel for 4 hours a day and I mean looking at the numbers it's not all of them anyway is far cheaper then trying to ramp up coal in time for peaks. Especially if those peaks are 2GW over normal for only an hour, then you need to start wrapping up the coal production. More coal into those furnaces to produce more steam to turn those generators can take some time. Plus that's what was done in the past as well, burn the OCGTS during the peak to cover that 2GW over norm. Plus that massive increase in peak, is cause us solar users during the day.
I mean the UK uses their CCGTS a lot as well.
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I mean, that's what they were built for. CCGTs are different.
 
wingnut771 said:
I mean, that's what they were built for. CCGTs are different.
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They do use CCGTs as peaking plants, cause they spin up quickly, but the main difference is they take time to reach full capabilities unlike OCGT which can reach it much faster.
So CCGTs are generally run a lot longer and ramped up to take peak load, or if they are in cold standby they are turned on to take some of the load. But yes they are different.
 
What an (in)convenient time for the economy to suddenly be doing massive adjustments.
 
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