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http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20080201044332225C637379

I am speechless.

By 2010, all commercial and residential buildings which have electric geysers must have solar water heating facilities added.
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In two years thou shalt have solar geysers.
By 2010, all customers who use 500kWh or more must be on time-of-use tariffs. These are tariffs which charge more for electricity at certain times such as during peak demand times.
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500? OMG.

Penalties are set out in the Electricity Regulation Act, which says that licensees who contravene their licensing conditions may be fined 10 percent of their annual turnover or R2-million, whichever is the higher, per day.
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PER DAY!!


Please someone tell me I am over-reacting and then correct me. I really hope I am.
 
These are tariffs which charge more for electricity at certain times such as during peak demand times.
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Great news - a two tiered system is the way to go. Where do I sign up?

EDIT - after reading through the article I dont see a single thing wrong with the proposals.
 
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bwana said:
Great news - a two tiered system is the way to go. Where do I sign up?
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Before you rush off - have you considered when peak times are?
According to PowerAlert, it is 6am-10pm.

May as well just make the whole day "peak".
 
I like the two-tiered costing option. BUT they have to be very open about which times cost more etc etc.

As for the Solar-Heating thing, if they're going to make it law, then they can pay for the whole damn thing instead of giving me some piddly 30% rebate.
 
Moederloos said:
Before you rush off - have you considered when peak times are?
According to PowerAlert, it is 6am-10pm.

May as well just make the whole day "peak".
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Great - that leaves 8 hours of cheaper off peak where I can wash/dry my clothes and run the dishwasher and or pool pump while paying a lower rate. :)

Edit - it will be interesting to see how the regulations define peek and off-peek.
 
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How many geysers need to be changed?
Let's say 20 million, and say end of 2010.
That is 3 years.
7 million a year (forgive the rounding).
Thats about 800 an hour 24/7
 
bwana said:
Great - that leaves 8 hours of cheaper off peak where I can wash/dry my clothes and run the dishwasher and or pool pump while paying a lower rate. :)
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Lower than peak rate - yes.
Not lower than now.
 
ToxicBunny said:
I like the two-tiered costing option. BUT they have to be very open about which times cost more etc etc.

As for the Solar-Heating thing, if they're going to make it law, then they can pay for the whole damn thing instead of giving me some piddly 30% rebate.
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Yeah, why should we pay for their mistakes?

And which doofus decided on 500?
 
bwana said:
Great - that leaves 8 hours of cheaper off peak where I can wash/dry my clothes and run the dishwasher and or pool pump while paying a lower rate. :)

Edit - it will be interesting to see how the regulations define peek and off-peek.
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Sorry, I normally sleep between 10pm and 6am (well, 11pm). I'm not going to do my washing in the middle of the night!
 
10% of annual turnover or 2 million per day..
per day.
srsly ?
they better bring machettes and swords.
 
Moederloos said:
How many geysers need to be changed?
Let's say 20 million, and say end of 2010.
That is 3 years.
7 million a year (forgive the rounding).
Thats about 800 an hour 24/7
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And it's not just the geysers having solar heaters added - it's also ripple switches that need to be installed, smart meters for the 2-tier tariffs, ripple switches for geysers, pool pumps, space heating, ventilation, and cooling.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Digging around on eskom's site I found this

We'll probably find the tiered tariff system based on this model

http://www.eskom.co.za/live/content.php?Item_ID=250&Revision=en/0
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Try to take advantage of the off-peak period by scheduling laundry, washing and drying loads for these times. You con also take advantage of this cheapest period by doing your garden work requiring power tools and electric lawnmowers.
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Typo? I doubt it.

Best I get the maid to come in on Sundays then - won't be necessary the rest of the week.
Ditto for gardener. Pity he will only work one day a week from now on - going to have to do rotationals with all his "clients".
 
Just thinking... how will the two-tier system work for prepaid? Currently, you just buy x units. Will you have to now buy x peak and y off peak units, or will the definition of units have to change so that you use 1 unit per kwh during off peak, but, say, 2 units per kwh in peak?
 
Cathryn said:
Just thinking... how will the two-tier system work for prepaid? Currently, you just buy x units. Will you have to now buy x peak and y off peak units, or will the definition of units have to change so that you use 1 unit per kwh during off peak, but, say, 2 units per kwh in peak?
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They will need to change the meters.
Judging by how long it took them to install it (6 months)** the first time,
I have no doubt it will now takes years.


**The previous owners had NO METER at all - the meter was removed and they just "townshipped" the box.
Even then, it took 6 months of me begging, and going there twice a week, before they installed one. And for 6 months I got free power...
 
I can see the Govt spending double the cost for 'preventative and draconian billing systems' than it would cost to build a Nuke power plant!
 
Ricard said:
I can see the Govt spending double the cost for 'preventative and draconian billing systems' than it would cost to build a Nuke power plant!
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Always money for spying, never money for crime fighting....
 
ToxicBunny said:
As for the Solar-Heating thing, if they're going to make it law, then they can pay for the whole damn thing instead of giving me some piddly 30% rebate.
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Yeah! There are lot of people who don't have 10K or more just floating around.


(Sorry for the multiple posts - the more I think about this, the more problems I see with it)
 
Cathryn : Don't worry about the multiple posts... the more I think about this "solution" the more I see it has been "developed" by complete morons who haven't thought through the repercussions and economic implications for the actual consumer
 
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