Proposed electricity regulations

[Ricard]

Definition:
Consumer: con sume more -

The sucker at the end of the value chain that gets conned in to paying for everything willingly not realising he is being shafted by an elephant.

 

[Moederloos]

Cathryn : Don't worry about the multiple posts... the more I think about this "solution" the more I see it has been "developed" by complete morons who haven't thought through the repercussions and economic implications for the actual consumer

Let alone the logistics.
If one company can do one geyser an hour (there is just no way they can do it that fast, but anyways), and works an 8 hour day, we will need 2400 companies installing geysers every day (7 days a week, including public holidays) to make it by Dec 2010. And that is using 20 million geysers - I think it is much higher.

If a company does one a day - more reasonable - that is 2400*8 companies. About 20 000 geyser fitment companies.

And there is not even enough stock in SA - if we need import them, that will delay matters somewhat - perhaps they will only start in June? So make that an additional 12% on 20000 = 22000 odd companies.

Even worse for the smart meters many more of those to install. But install time will probably be less. But a "plumber" or "electrician" will need to be trained as these are new things.

 

[Albereth]

Typo? I doubt it.

Best I get the maid to come in on Sundays then - won't be necessary the rest of the week.
Ditto for gardener. Pity he will only work one day a week from now on - going to have to do rotationals with all his "clients".

I wonder if the bye laws will be changed so I can make a noise with the lawn mower at 2 in the morning - and will my neighbours just haved to deal with it?

 

[Ricard]

Typo? I doubt it.

Best I get the maid to come in on Sundays then - won't be necessary the rest of the week.
Ditto for gardener. Pity he will only work one day a week from now on - going to have to do rotationals with all his "clients".

You have to remember that Saturday and Sunday are double time rates according to the Employment act

 

[ajax]

This is not going to work, unless there's a real incentive for users. Most people will procrastinate until the very last minute to have the modifications/add ons installed. Then they will extend the deadline, and people will procrastinate again, then the FINAL deadline will come. Just like the new driver's licenses debacle in 2003.

 

[Moederloos]

Just imagine the quality of workmanship on installs and geysers themselves in this rush job to come.

 

[stoke]

YOU MUST ALL SPEND 8000 ON THE FOLLOWING ...

Bwaahaahahahahahahaha .. i aint buying nutting you corrupt governmint bastards.
Bugger off with your stupid ideas.

If you can conclusively proove that this will save money in a 4 year period, then sure.
In fact, why dont you come and install it, and in 4 years time I will pay you for it using all the money i've saved?

 

[Moederloos]

YOU MUST ALL SPEND 8000 ON THE FOLLOWING ...

Bwaahaahahahahahahaha .. i aint buying nutting you corrupt governmint bastards.
Bugger off with your stupid ideas.

If you can conclusively proove that this will save money in a 4 year period, then sure.
In fact, why dont you come and install it, and in 4 years time I will pay you for it using all the money i've saved?

And if it aint fallen apart by then.
The DA did propose a rental scheme - where you would pay it off out of savings or something.
No idea where I saw / heard that.

 

[Tux]

Sounds like another scheme dreamed up by Alec Erwin....

 

[Albereth]

Oooh - I have a mod that I want to patent and sell. Headlight kits for lawn mowers, weedeaters and other garden equipment using electricity. Hell, make it for the petrol ones too because the horticultural engineer is only coming once a week.

My idea.

Go get your own.

 

[Moederloos]

Oooh - I have a mod that I want to patent and sell. Headlight kits for lawn mowers, weedeaters and other garden equipment using electricity. Hell, make it for the petrol ones too because the horticultural engineer is only coming once a week.

My idea.

Go get your own.

:-[

 

[bwana]

Sorry, I normally sleep between 10pm and 6am (well, 11pm). I'm not going to do my washing in the middle of the night!

Both my washing machine and my dishwasher have built in timers. We always used to run the dishwasher at night in the states just because it was cheaper.

Besides - why assume the offpeak time has to be 10pm to 6am? I'm sure if they made it 8-8 it would also ease the peak demand.

 

[CathJ]

Both my washing machine and my dishwasher have built in timers. We always used to run the dishwasher at night in the states just because it was cheaper.

Besides - why assume the offpeak time has to be 10pm to 6am? I'm sure if they made it 8-8 it would also ease the peak demand.

Ah, that makes more sense - didn't really see anyone getting up at 2am to do their washing But don't your clothes get crumpled if you don't take them out straight away when you're done?

The problem is that peak is peak for a reason - it's the time that people get home and need to do stuff. Sure, some people can rearrange their day, but a lot of people won't be able to. In fact, the peak tariff increase might be a way for them to save their revenue stream, which would otherwise be taking a hit due to reduced consumption...

 

[CathJ]

Just had another thought about the compulsory solar water heaters....

what about blocks of flats?

They really haven't thought this through very well (if at all).

 

[Moederloos]

Just had another thought about the compulsory solar water heaters....

what about blocks of flats?

They really haven't thought this through very well (if at all).

Very good point.
Also duplexes and so on (although those are easier).

Even hotels would lose easy 100l of water in the pipes from the top to, say, the 3rd floor. Not sure I explained that well, but a similar process of "loss" as when you run a bath, and it takes a few minutes for the water to get hot, as the water in the pipes is cold.
So, a hot water geyser on the roof of a hotel would need to be bigger to accommodate the heat loss.

 

[bwana]

Very good point.
Also duplexes and so on (although those are easier).

Even hotels would lose easy 100l of water in the pipes from the top to, say, the 3rd floor. Not sure I explained that well, but a similar process of "loss" as when you run a bath, and it takes a few minutes for the water to get hot, as the water in the pipes is cold.
So, a hot water geyser on the roof of a hotel would need to be bigger to accommodate the heat loss.

I doubt the water in most hotels ever stops circulating.

 

[Moederloos]

I doubt the water in most hotels ever stops circulating.

Assuming for now that is correct.
How many geysers will they then need to accommodate a constant flow of water?
Those solar geysers take time to heat water.
They will need either one per room - then the circulation is a problem, one per floor - circulation and size become problems, one per "column" - again circulation and size issues.

 

[Ricard]

/me has bad memories of cold showers at a Holiday-inn

 

[Moederloos]

Why not convert to immersion heaters... most geysers in SA are indirect heating.

Instant hot?
I tried years ago to get one - battled.
Eventually got hold of one, and the damn thing broke in the first day.
Popped the valve - and could not be fixed.
I personally favour those - although they are not good for baths (as I was told by the person making them).

 

[bwana]

Assuming for now that is correct.
How many geysers will they then need to accommodate a constant flow of water?
Those solar geysers take time to heat water.
They will need either one per room - then the circulation is a problem, one per floor - circulation and size become problems, one per "column" - again circulation and size issues.

According to the article solar is used in conjunction with electric geysers.