PS3 Hardware Cost

[FnuckNut]

I have a 4 year old P4 collecting dust, I may as well make use of it. And it will be more than adequate. Please specify what 'software' and 'specifications' you're referring to because the main requirement is a hardware one, which we've covered. No point in trying to cloak your argument in a myriad of words when all you're really saying is nothing.

Why don't you rather come back and comment when you actually have your PS3 because at the moment you're just sounding like a wannabe PS3 fanboy, which is even worse.

Why you guys always get upset when facts is posted?

Lets just refresh again. This information is still 100% valid
Then you have the other media formats. XBOX 360 was only ever meant to be an ‘Multimedia Extender’. In other words, it was expected that by this time, most people would have a PC dedicated to hosting multimedia using either Windows Media Center or Vista Home. The 360 would pull the files off this dedicated media PC over the network. Therefore, the 360’s multimedia capabilities are actually quite poor. It supports MPEG-2, MPEG-4, and MPEG-4 AVC (h.264), but only in the WMV, MOV, and TS container formats. It supports DLNA, so is able to discover files on DLNA software like Windows Vista.

Playstation 3 was intended to be an all-in-one media center, and the design shows. At first, it did not support DLNA, but we broke the story when DLNA-supporting firmware was released, allowing multimedia to be streamed from Vista to the Playstation 3. All the major codecs are supported by Playstation 3; MPEG-1, MPEG-2, Motion JPEG (commonly found with digital cameras) through AVI, MOV, MP4, and TS container formats. It will even play AVCHD files directly (M2TS files - the same format Blu-Ray uses).

MP4 support is seen as the future of video, and the PS3 has very good support of this. It supports MPEG-4 AAC audio, MPEG-4 Simple Profile video, as well as Main and High profile (also known as h.264). In a big story last week, it was announced that the PS3 would soon be supporting the DivX codec, through the AVI file container. This will be the first time a non-modified console supports this highly popular format. Here’s hoping for MKV h.264 support!

Audio playback is close, with the PS3 having the minor advantage of supporting SACD, although this is no longer supported with the 40GB version. It’s been sad to see Sony drop many of the advantages they held over the 360 in the past year. Playstation 3 will always be better as a standalone music player since it doesn’t sound like a jet engine, but the 360 has the great advantage of being able to access music from within any game.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

You've obviously never heard of TVersity. And there's nothing stopping anyone from outputting the stream directly from the server to the TV. Nobody's talking about using the Xbox to decode files here, we're talking about dedicated media servers. You're the only one pushing this crap like an ignorant little troll.

 

[Rosaudio]

LOL, someone please confirm that I have heard the correct info. The 360 cant play MP3's off the HDD?

 

[semiautomatix]

LOL, someone please confirm that I have heard the correct info. The 360 cant play MP3's off the HDD?

Er... did we not read about the streaming again?

I'm not limited to any hard disk space. In fact, I have over a TB of music and video stored that I play and use. I think a BD-ROM will be a nice addition.

But each to his own.

 

[Rosaudio]

Er... did we not read about the streaming again?

I'm not limited to any hard disk space. In fact, I have over a TB of music and video stored that I play and use. I think a BD-ROM will be a nice addition.

But each to his own.

Oh yeah right. Thought it was strange as I have over 2000 songs on my PS3's HDD.

My BD-ROM's are very useful as they hold most of my file's etc. The drive was k*K expensive though when I got it...

 

[Info Guy 101]

Ok read this thread abit and I thought I should add my 5 cents ok here it goes.....
That set up with BD-ROM will it support BD-LIVE just interested? Now if you wanna know what BD-LIVE is here's a link

http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/bdlive/

it is available in S.A via SterKinekor but what might put you off is the monthly internet cap you'd need to use it but hopefully internet rate's will come down when Seacom launches next year cross fingers

http://www.charged.co.za/frontpage/bd-live-drives-isps-to-hone-their-offering

Also the PS3 is rated one of the best Blu-ray players on the market at the moment if not the best also it get's updated with firmware so when ever there's a new feature for Blu-ray your more than likely to get it

Another point when looking to get a new console look at what you want when it comes to gaming because both the xbox 360 and PS3 have good exclusives. The PS3 does have a double edge sword with the cell which is powerful but very different to what has come before it which make's it hard to program for but if you notice the developer who do try to test the limits do get results eg. konami,guerilla,insomniac(not talking about resistance but rachet and clank)

But if you mostly buy multi-platform game's then get a xbox it is cheaper now but the PS3 is going to get cheaper it not a matter of if it's when.

 

[phiber]

I have both, or had both sold one. Graphics wise they perform the same (basically) and the winner for me is the 360 and only because of the controller. My hands would hurt after a couple of hours on the PS3, analog stick is in the wrong place for me(and thats my opinion). PS3 does have blu ray, tho i dunno how keen people are currently on spending 250 or so for movies... atm dvd is good enough for me...

We should do a CLEAN pro's vs con's of these consoles and by clean i mean no bashing!

 

[Rosaudio]

Price is not necessarily higher on the Xbox. Most of the time its exclusives that are more expensive. You see the jolly fellows down at Ster-Kinekor have realized what a hit LittleBigPlanet will be so they say to themselves,"Why not charge the customers R270 more than it should be priced? That way we will be rich and can afford more fire extinguishers for when doing the Towel trick on a 360 that has just got the RROD..."
****ing Ridiculous if you ask me

 

[FnuckNut]

You've obviously never heard of TVersity. And there's nothing stopping anyone from outputting the stream directly from the server to the TV. Nobody's talking about using the Xbox to decode files here; we're talking about dedicated media servers. You're the only one pushing this crap like an ignorant little troll.

Lets see where the ignorance lie.

TVersity only acts as a media server streaming common or normal media to the Xbox or PS3 in a format it understands, thus converting codec on the fly in some cases..
It does not make the XBotbox = HD Media system capable
Simply Xbox + Tversity is not PS3 + Tversity and neither PS3 + DNLA

TVersity have no DTS master decode capabilities. (No commercial software can as yet) It can get close but that is still not the best fidelity. Those BD movies/sound will have to be ripped fraudulently to bypass DRM. Here is some help for you How to RIP True HD content from BD diskor you can just get this

Thus the BD drive will be meaningless without the correct software or hardware required for decoding to bring the Xbox on par with the PS3 capabilities.

Now if Tversity can read and decode the BD disc directly and Stream it in HD Video and master HD Audio via the Xbox then great, but unfortunately it is not so. The Xbox will still not be able to do anything with it. It may be able to display and transmit more advanced "HD" sound format via PCM but that is far from the HD video and audio which the PS3 can master without Tversity. There is maybe some reason for the use of Tversity on the PS3 but why hassle if the PS3 can do all without Tversity. It has all the codec’s already built in the hardware decoders. So why go through all that hassles?

See here example:
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/connectdlna.html

Or use a Linux server
http://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-a-linux-playstation-3-media-server-with-ubuntu8.04

Or just boot PS3 with Linux directly and then install the server on the PS3 direct. Please note; the PS3 have inherent support for Linux too.

http://www.coderetard.com/2008/08/06/how-to-install-linux-on-your-ps3/


So really for some education you need to do some more research on the topic and decide what you really want to do with a BD player on the Xbox or PC. It is nearly useless. Rather wait for M$ to create the applications needed once, IF EVER, they release a BluRay drive (at a price) for the Xbox. Again on a PC you require extra hardware and software to use the BD drive for its original intended application or purpose and that is to step up to the level of TRUE HD media, not a half baked solution. Then the Xbox must still learn to play BlueRay games. Fortunately the PS3 already have it all and knows what to do with it.


The beauty of all the Xbot arguments and bashing is just helping to highlight the more technologically advanced features of the PS3 and its capabilities even more. So please bring them on.

 

[FnuckNut]

LOL, someone please confirm that I have heard the correct info. The 360 cant play MP3's off the HDD?

Er... did we not read about the streaming again?

I'm not limited to any hard disk space. In fact, I have over a TB of music and video stored that I play and use. I think a BD-ROM will be a nice addition.But each to his own.

You've obviously never heard of TVersity. And there's nothing stopping anyone from outputting the stream directly from the server to the TV. Nobody's talking about using the Xbox to decode files here, we're talking about dedicated media servers. You're the only one pushing this crap like an ignorant little troll.

Am I missing something here? The Bots bash the PS3 for all reasons but to make the BotBox work properly you have to use FREE Open source software, TVersity, as Media server or MP3 streamer so it can play files that the PS3 play natively? So TVersity improves the Xbox's codec compatibility to enable it to operate as a sort off media device. This is getting more ridiculous by the day.

So the only real issue of contention is the few pixels and few frame rates of the ported software on the PS3. Well; as suggested we really need to make an Apple to Apple comparison to show all these issues on a single page. That’s about two lines for the PS3 drawbacks, maybe three, and the rest of the page for Xbox drawbacks as compared to the PS3. Then calculate the cost to restore everything back to par and see what we get.

 

[doobiwan]

What amazes me is how much the Suckboys type without researching a single fact.

You guys work for the SABC? ... Go learn about DNLA before you make yourself sound like a twit again.

1. You can play MP3's straight off the 360's harddrive. You can put them on by ripping from CD. Better yet why clog up the game drive, just hook up a dedicated external media drive.
2. TVersity is only one option. If fact a better option is using Media Centre (Hence the term MC Extender) which is built into Vista, That's how you get Browser, Netflix, Youtube, arbitary transcoding and Hulu support on the 360, today
3. If neither floats you boat you can use play old Media player 11 as well.

 

[doobiwan]

You PS fanboys realise that J_E didn't give a hoot about BD?

...

I'm purely interested in which console will actually surpass the other's lifespan and least need an upgrade in the next 3-5 years.

This generation is not like the last, unfortunately because of it's expensive components the PS3 is unsustainable. It will be virtually impossible for Sony to ever not make a loss on each box and as such it will be discontinued as soon as possible.

Microsoft actually seems to have the healthier long term plan with the like of XNA community games and rumours of a shift to xbox as a platform for other CE devices. In other words, you don't buy an Xbox with a built in Blu-Ray player, you'll buy a Blu-Ray player with a 360 inside. But that is pure rumour at this stage.

 

[FnuckNut]

What amazes me is how much the Suckboys type without researching a single fact.

You guys work for the SABC? ... Go learn about DNLA before you make yourself sound like a twit again.

1. You can play MP3's straight off the 360's harddrive. You can put them on by ripping from CD. Better yet why clog up the game drive, just hook up a dedicated external media drive.
2. TVersity is only one option. If fact a better option is using Media Centre (Hence the term MC Extender) which is built into Vista, That's how you get Browser, Netflix, Youtube, arbitary transcoding and Hulu support on the 360, today
3. If neither floats you boat you can use play old Media player 11 as well.

Why use anything if it can play directly? Just buy the right hardware.
Just to enhance the memory a bit as you obviously did not even attempt to read anything posted before you jumped in here with the typical Xbot style.

About DLNA
DLNA (Digital Living Network Alliance) is a standard that enables digital devices such as personal computers, digital video recorders, and TVs to be connected on a network and to share data that is on other connected, DLNA-compatible devices.

DLNA-compatible devices serve two different functions. "Servers" distribute media such as image, music, or video files, and "clients" receive and play the media. Some devices perform both functions. Using a PS3™ system as a client, you can display images, or play music or video files that are stored on a device with DLNA Media Server functionality over a network.

And to see the standard in operation in case you missed it go to this link connectdlna
So just to be very sure, I did not refer to DNA but rather DNLA, the standard as described above.

We all understand you are so clever so next time rather share you very vast experience instead of trolling. Also not everybody is on VISTA yet so some use WMP11 already as you suggested. That was not the issue. Read the posts in context then respond appropriately.

Thanks for the valuable contribution anyway, it would have been much better appreciated without the 'tarded comment presented to raise your ego and show your mental "superiority" and total knowledge of what others do or not do.

 

[FnuckNut]

. But that is pure rumour at this stage.

Thats the problem Everything XBox is a rumour. So funny thought that the PS4 is already under development with the same but improved hardware structure.
I will wait to see when the PS3 will be dropped as you say or rather predict. LOL. I am sure Sony will go Bank before the end of the Year for that to happen.

 

[HapticSimian]

FnuckNut, dude... seriously

You're up at 3:40am on a Monday morning posting essays about the vices & virtues of consoles you don't own. I've never before seen someone write so much while saying so little, post after post, day after day...

Get some Ritalin...

 

[semiautomatix]

Am I missing something here? The Bots bash the PS3 for all reasons but to make the BotBox work properly you have to use FREE Open source software, TVersity, as Media server or MP3 streamer so it can play files that the PS3 play natively? So TVersity improves the Xbox's codec compatibility to enable it to operate as a sort off media device. This is getting more ridiculous by the day.

So the only real issue of contention is the few pixels and few frame rates of the ported software on the PS3. Well; as suggested we really need to make an Apple to Apple comparison to show all these issues on a single page. That’s about two lines for the PS3 drawbacks, maybe three, and the rest of the page for Xbox drawbacks as compared to the PS3. Then calculate the cost to restore everything back to par and see what we get.

Don't know how free your copy of Windows was, but obviously you have a little pirating studio going on in your house.

Now please explain why other BD players are overtaking the precious PS3 hardware wise. Oh wow, did Sony future proof everything but the BD drive. Oh damn, you've forked out R4500 and its too late to look back now! Suckers!

And I've had a lot of various other devices used for streaming previously. I have a PC exclusively set up just to do so. Why would I want to be limited by the PS3 hard drive size?

 

[semiautomatix]

Why use anything if it can play directly? Just buy the right hardware.
Just to enhance the memory a bit as you obviously did not even attempt to read anything posted before you jumped in here with the typical Xbot style.



And to see the standard in operation in case you missed it go to this link connectdlna
So just to be very sure, I did not refer to DNA but rather DNLA, the standard as described above.

We all understand you are so clever so next time rather share you very vast experience instead of trolling. Also not everybody is on VISTA yet so some use WMP11 already as you suggested. That was not the issue. Read the posts in context then respond appropriately.

Thanks for the valuable contribution anyway, it would have been much better appreciated without the 'tarded comment presented to raise your ego and show your mental "superiority" and total knowledge of what others do or not do.

Er... I don't have Vista but use XP for streaming via Media Centre. Maybe you're the one who isn't doing enough research. This argument seems to cut and paste for my pre-caffeine eyes.

 

[semiautomatix]

Thats the problem Everything XBox is a rumour. So funny thought that the PS4 is already under development with the same but improved hardware structure.
I will wait to see when the PS3 will be dropped as you say or rather predict. LOL. I am sure Sony will go Bank before the end of the Year for that to happen.

For a company that's on the verge of bankruptcy, that's quite an ironic statement. I wonder if Sony will be around in ten years to support the PS3 and PS4?

 

[Rosaudio]

Don't know how free your copy of Windows was, but obviously you have a little pirating studio going on in your house.

Now please explain why other BD players are overtaking the precious PS3 hardware wise. Oh wow, did Sony future proof everything but the BD drive. Oh damn, you've forked out R4500 and its too late to look back now! Suckers!

And I've had a lot of various other devices used for streaming previously. I have a PC exclusively set up just to do so. Why would I want to be limited by the PS3 hard drive size?

We forked out that money for a True HD Console.

Blu-ray was only part of the package but what I wanted most was a gaming console and that's exactly what I got. Some of the best exclusives, PSN games and free online play. Blu-ray was just a extra feature that is brilliant if you have an HDTV. Of course if you have a 360 then your more likely to not be able to afford an HDTV.

Blu-ray is not just for movies, but for games too. MGS4 was a 50gb game and Uncharted was 30gb with no install. Yes bots NO INSTALL

 

[Rosaudio]

For a company that's on the verge of bankruptcy, that's quite an ironic statement. I wonder if Sony will be around in ten years to support the PS3 and PS4?

Of course thats not going to happen.

You go realize that Sony make OTHER stuff and not just Playstation.

HDTV's, Laptops, Movie production, Music Studio etc.