PS3 pricing (and Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD)

Look closely at the thread and you'll find that the author offers no evidence supporting the actual hardware of the PS3 in comparison to the 360 save for the old "360 failures" story. Rather than making a comparison its quite clear he's decided on the PS3 and written an article to justify its purchase based on the lowest priced PS3 being in line with the premium 360 package.

Not exactly a critical comparison now is it? The author wrote a whole lot, but said nothing.

EDIT: Enough arguing for this evening. I'm off to bed.

But they've got nerons!
 
Look closely at the thread and you'll find that the author offers no evidence supporting the actual hardware of the PS3 in comparison to the 360 save for the old "360 failures" story. Rather than making a comparison its quite clear he's decided on the PS3 and written an article to justify its purchase based on the lowest priced PS3 being in line with the premium 360 package.

Not exactly a critical comparison now is it? More like an all too familiar Sony fanboy propaganda attempt.

Yeah whatever tickles the fanny! There is thousands more but you will come up with same excuses instead of just admitting the Blu-RAy makes it the winner...What am I saying. You already did! Sorry this argument was over until Feo and re-raised some questions and Gavin the racist stormed in flaming looking for a political war.
 
I feel so neglected.

You had a whole 7 page fanboy flamewar and no one sent me an invite :( Darn this darn Drakensburg and shady GPRS :p

Oh well, lots of catching up to do ;)

NoADSLyet, take a Rennies or something, that BS you've been fed seems to be giving you heartburn.

R4500 is overpriced for a movie player period. The only person who could possibly see any real benefit from that is Wynsam. To everyone else at less than 50 inches, get an upscaling DVD player for a Grand and give the finger to the BR consortium because:

1. They're charging R300+ to make you by the same cr@p mindless junk movies you already own
2. The DRM in BR is more anal than a Sony Fanboy on Halo day
3. BR discs are physically rubbish, flimsy and prone to damage, even with the additional coating

BR stands as one thing - a group of money hungry corporates trying to railroad the industry into buying the same garbage over again because they're too darn stupid to make anything new and worthwhile.

If you want to argue consoles argue games and I've got 1 thing to say: 17.7 million 360's sold versus 8 million 'mighty' PS3s. So Sony had a few good weeks at the end of last year, good for them. They were still killed in the US. It still took them the sale of their insurance business, a $1billion loss and a crushing 33% price cut after only 9 months in the market to achieve that. By comparison the 360 has gone over 2 years now at 88% of it's launch price. Any halfwit can tell you the Console War starts at $200. There is no way in heck that you'll see another PS3 price cut before the very end of 2008, they're still losing $100's on every console.

You think Sony's 'won' because they're finally in the position MS expected them to be in at the beginning of 2006? I don't think so. How do you think Sony will feel when Every IPTV customer in Europe and the US get a 360 as a set top box? Digital delivery is king. Ask iTunes.

And stop trying to argue which is "technically superior" and lets call it a wash, because I'll give you a hint. When self proclaimed PS3 fanboys (Criterion) turn around and say developing on PS3 first and porting to 360 is easier, it's a big flashing neon sign that the 360 is outgunning the PS3.

Oh well, back to mountains and Meadows for me :p
 
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Just some "Neutral" comments and concerns on consoles

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/games/archives/2006/12/07/ps3_vs_xbox_360_a_developer_speaks.html

Reliability - Here’s a huge one that must be considered - XBOX 360’s made prior to October 2007 are pretty much considered time bombs. It’s not a matter of whether your console will stop working, it’s a matter of when. The 360 has such a high failure rate that Microsoft spent over $1 billion to extend everyone’s warranty by 3 years. While having a long warranty is nice, knowing that it’s only a matter of time before the console dies, nobody wants to have a dead console in the first place. Newer units seem to be okay, so far (knock on wood).

http://www.hardcoreware.net/playstation-3-vs-xbox-360-one-year-later/

Xbox 360: 61 per cent failure rate?
http://www.360-gamer.com/news.asp?id=964

Is there anything you're able to do, visually, on PS3 that you can't on Xbox 360?
Certain procedural effects are easier to create on the PS3 because of the power of the SPEs. Effects like water simulations, especially when you move beyond simple surface effects to fluid dynamics require the kind of algorithms that are really suited to the CELL architecture. Having said that the slightly more flexible GPU and unified memory model on X360 allows some neat tricks that level the playing field somewhat. It will be interesting to see what emerges with video processing and EyeToy as well - CELL is designed for streaming and image processing applications in mind. I think we'll see both new visuals and game play out of that.

As an aside the audio technology running on CELL created by the guys in the SCEE Technology Group in London is pretty amazing, opening out loads more possibilities for real-time audio effects to enhance the visuals, something that is often overlooked but is an important part of increasing gamer immersion.

http://www.japan-legend.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=803&pid=5933&st=0&

London, 18th December 2007 – Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) today announced the immediate availability of the latest system software update for PLAYSTATION®3 (PS3™). Version 2.10 will enable the world’s most popular gaming system to expand its value as a home entertainment hub by allowing it to play the very latest interactive Blu-ray Disc™ movies, as well as broadening the number of video formats supported to make PS3 even more verstaile than before.

With the introduction of Blu-ray Profile 1.1 (known as Bonus View) PS3 will be able to fully exploit the potential of the new Blu-ray movies coming to market in 2008. With features such as Picture in Picture (PiP), the exceptional visual clarity offered by Blu-ray is further enhanced with richer features and interactive content, limited only by the imagination of the studio.

With
sales of PS3 on track to have reached a cumulative global total of over 16 million by the end of March 2008,
and the system software update making them all compatible with Bonus View, the market for Blu-ray discs showcasing these new interactive features is enormous. The first Blu-ray movies to take advantage of Bonus View are scheduled for release in January 2008, making PS3 owners amongst the first consumers able to enjoy the enhanced movie-watching experience that Blu-ray technology makes possible.

Many Hollywood and independent studios supporting Blu-ray will be bringing out an ever increasing range of movie titles in all genres featuring Bonus View interactivity to add to the pleasure of watching movies on Blu-ray disc.. With superb image clarity up to five times that of normal DVD video, and crystal clear Dolby 5.1 Channel audio, Blu-ray movie playback on PS3 really broadens the entertainment possibilities of PS3.

The provision of support for DivX and VC-1 video playback codecs in system software Version 2.10 will also significantly expand the multimedia capabilities of PS3 by enabling users to enjoy access to the broad library of video content available in both the the DivX and VC-1 digital media formats.

Version 2.10 also introduces an engaging voice changer feature to enhance Voice Chat on PS3, enabling users to alter the tone and pitch of their voice from the Control panel during AV Chat.

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I've done a number of full tests on this Firmware update and I have a few things to report:-

XMB Interface

- Video icons now move showing around 30 seconds worth of each video in the list. Highlighted video will also give a sound-byte from the file (Dependant on file type)

- Slightly faster and offers more help in emulation to make the best out of PS1/2 Graphics.


Audio Compatibility

- Setting Type 3 in the Music Settings area boosts the quality of the PS3's audio (it's made specially for PS3)

- New Voice Changer allows you to set a changer for 1 of 5 available buffers which in turn allows you to sound less like a prat if your 10 years old.


DivX Compatibility

- DivX Playback works but has a few draw-backs. Media can't be larger than 2gb, copyrighted files won't play and anything encoded using DivX Encoder 3.10 or less will not play on the PS3.

- VC-1 Playback now allows WMV natively play on the PS3 Platform.


PSP Connectivity

- Added the feature to play PS1 games on PSP from PS3 (place the PS1 disc in the PS3 and setup Remote Play to play PS1 games through your PSP)


European Emulation (PS1 / PS2)

Probably the biggest piece of hidden information is a seriously large Emulation fix thanks to the addition of DivX and WMV Playback.

Games that carry the Criware Compression Engine, Sofdec Audio/Video Compression Engines and AD|X Systems now work fully in the PS3. For many this will be confusing so to find out if your game should work correctly, look out in the opening credits or game boxarts for the following Industry Logo's:-





Games tested that now work (didn't work prior to 2.10 Firmware Update):-

- Atelier Iris 3
- Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 2
- Naruto: Uzumaki Chronicles
- Soul Calibur 2
- Sonic Heroes

*All of the games mentioned have never worked before in the PS3 under the System Emulation employed by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe. The Engines mentioned work as of the time of writing and are not guaranteed to work throughout the changes to PS3 Software.
 
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Eish, guys. My original questions was whether the price of the PS3 is coming down anytime soon and if the PS3 is a good Blu-Ray player vs a standalone player. Not which console is the better gaming console.

For the people that answered my original question, thank you very much I got the info I needed.

For all the gaming freaks (ok maybe freaks is a strong word, some people might get upset, lets say gaming people) out there, some people do use the console for more than gaming.
 
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Eish, guys. My original questions was whether the price of the PS3 is coming down anytime soon and if the PS3 is a good Blu-Ray player vs a standalone player. Not which console is the better gaming console.

For the people that answered my original question, thank you very much I got the info I needed.

For all the gaming freaks out there, some people do use the console for more than gaming.

Thanks for clearing that, only some f@@ls would not listen, as with these fanbois with their own agenda you never can win. Therefore my continued reference to the topic and stating the obviuos that the PS3 is technically more advanced than the XBox

The prices just came down with the reduced spec PS3 already so further reductions will not be soon I expect. Fact is it remains the best currently available media centre, and it can play games on top of it, with a lot of future scope once the developers get used to it and use the cells structure correctly. If you read the article posted the developers is only now getting in stride to harness the PS3's full potential. Therefore it is a better and more advanced product technically and potentially will be a great investment for the future. The Xbox will just remain a limited games console wit stupid add ons to try and maintain market value. If read between the lines of what I was trying to say then The PS3 is worth all the added expense as if you reduce the price further then you will have to take away some more features and that would have to be the Hd components. The Blu-Ray is what will make the PS3 the winner as well as the SONY backing as what happened with PS2 and the lame XBox.
 
Thanks for clearing that, only some f@@ls would not listen, as with these fanbois with their own agenda you never can win.
...says the one who has proclaimed the victory of the PS3 based on the fact that it is a Sony product and then later in this very thread admitted to being an "MS fanboi". You might want to consider your own words before accusing the rest of us of your own shortcomings.

You truly are a walking, talking contradiction. :rolleyes:

Funny how you continually claim Blu-Ray as the PS3's strongest buying point, but can't meet any of us with some proof on the ability of the rest of the console especially in the light of some potentially interesting news:
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/09/ces_xbox_could_back_blu_ray/
 
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The Xbox will just remain a limited games console wit stupid add ons to try and maintain market value

Going off topic, even more, I am constantly amused by the fact that M$ were sued broken for forcing software onto people by bundling it with Windows however when they do something that gives you the choice to by add-ons they are stupid :D
 
Eish, guys. My original questions was whether the price of the PS3 is coming down anytime soon and if the PS3 is a good Blu-Ray player vs a standalone player. Not which console is the better gaming console.

Its a great blue ray player. Upscales dvd well too. In all in a really nice media device. By the way it plays games too!
 
Going off topic, even more, I am constantly amused by the fact that M$ were sued broken for forcing software onto people by bundling it with Windows however when they do something that gives you the choice to by add-ons they are stupid :D

With your understanding and though pattern is is not difficult but to just wonder. I made a comment in a on topic post, You prefer to select that small comment in a on topic post to derail the thread yet again.

Just grow up!
 
Its a great blue ray player. Upscales dvd well too. In all in a really nice media device. By the way it plays games too!

Well said but difficult to understand by "Sad sod" lone gamers like we see here!
There is a thread running re gaming damaging the brains. It seems to be true and factual after all!
 
I no longer feel the need to argue.

@NoADSL- If you feel R4500 is "a great deal" for a micropercent upgrade in visual quality (already available via download services at a fraction of the cost anyway) All I can say is please please please buy a PS3 and stay the **** away from XBL. Marketing spin owns you like a cheap suit.
 
I no longer feel the need to argue.

@NoADSL- If you feel R4500 is "a great deal" for a micropercent upgrade in visual quality (already available via download services at a fraction of the cost anyway) All I can say is please please please buy a PS3 and stay the **** away from XBL. Marketing spin owns you like a cheap suit.

Do not know what you are on about! Must be the weather or the booze you drank or maybe the pills you took. Please supply a link where I can download a Blu-Ray player. Thanks for your understanding! LOL :rolleyes:
 
Do not know what you are on about! Must be the weather or the booze you drank or maybe the pills you took. Please supply a link where I can download a Blu-Ray player. Thanks for your understanding! LOL :rolleyes:

I think he's talking about HD content that can be downloaded off the net, try to keep up.
 
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