killadoob
Honorary Master
Africa will remain FAIL for all of eternity i reckon, idiots running the countries into the ground.
Sadly nothing that can be done when retards are put in power positions.
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Africa will remain FAIL for all of eternity i reckon, idiots running the countries into the ground.
Sadly nothing that can be done when retards are put in power positions.
Angola: half a century of civil war.
Mozambique: half a century of civil war.
Nigeria: pulling itself apart, if it wasn't for oil it might as well have done so.
Kenya: was it just me or did we not watch the bloody aftermath of the last elections?
Zimbabwe: crazy bloodthirsty dictator that is still building up a massive army despite the fact that people are still starving. However, from those who have visited I've heard the country is pulling itself up.
Tanzania: the wild west of eastern Africa, it's frightening the lengths people would go to there.
Uganda: Idi Amin anyone? "But Nicholas, you did not convince me!"
Gabon: one president for 42 years!
Namibia: I have respect for the country and its politicians!
So I will have to concede one unfailed state in that list.
Angola and Mozambique were in a state of civil war, but not any more. Now both are progressing really fast.
Kenya had a huge revolt after the elections, but things are back on track. Same with Tanzania.
Uganda: Wasn't Idi Amin like decades ago?
Gabon: Ya and people support him. Gabon is stable.
Btw Rwanda might have a had a really bloody conflict, but the country is seriously booming now. The development that is taking place there is amazing.
You're using history to back up your arguments rather than the present situation. In that case Germany is a failed state becuase they caused World War II and killed 6 million Jews.
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Well black leaders are black africans. So you're pretty much saying black africans are dumb and greedy.
So who should lead the black africans? The whites?
DreamKing
Honorary Master
The country you want to point out is South Africa not China.
did you know "jerk ran-daddy"'s responses to DA about the arms deal with Mugabe's government? Do your homework man!!!!
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semiautomatix
Honorary Master
All 1% of the world's production?
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
No they don't! And I have an airtight reason as to why.
Don't even begin to compare Germany to these African states; for one thing Germany wasn't embroiled in a bitter civil war any time in the last 200 years.
A civil war is an indication that a nation can't be bound together to work for the good of the country. In Nazi Germany (and Japan) national pride was at an all time high.
The fact that World War II occurred was a good indication of a solid nation. These civil wars in Africa are the complete opposite!
The only reason why there hasn't been a civil war in Germany is becuase they were busy attacking outside forces. Unity through necessity. By the way the USA had a civil war in the last 200 years, so did Japan (during the Mieji era, the civil war against the shoguns). So I guess they're also failed states.
By the way, there are many African countries which haven't had civil wars (Namibia, Zambia, Malawi, Tanzania). However Apartheid SA was a pariah state and guess what? The leaders weren't black. Democratic South Africa is way much more successful than Apartheid South Africa, and we are run by black leaders... hhmmmm.
By the way, there are many African countries which haven't had civil wars (Namibia, Zambia, Malawi, Tanzania). However Apartheid SA was a pariah state and guess what? The leaders weren't black. Democratic South Africa is way much more successful than Apartheid South Africa, and we are run by black leaders... hhmmmm.
DreamKing
Honorary Master
Eish!!!
What they did ????????
AA??? BEE???? NHI???? UIF????? Woooooooooow................
Sorry I don't get it .........
Sensorei
Executive Member
That is because the old regime built a great platform for the ANC to take over from. Plus most big companies' senior management is still white/indian/coloured and most taxes that keep the country afloat are paid by middle class whites/indians/asians/coloureds. There are simply not enough Tokyo Sexwales and Cyril Ramaphosas around to give all the power to Blacks yet.
There was a war in Namibia, although I'm sure you wouldn't class it as a civil war. Zambia, Tanzania were big Soviet/ANC/SWAPO allies during this conflict and if you went to read up a bit of history for some of these countries you will see a very familiar pattern....Chinese/Russian help, god like status for the ANC Comrades and Mugabe, oh and not to mention the chasing out of white people in all of those countries. Oh and all those countries leaders were.....BLACK!
To help you out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Kaunda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanzibar_Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hastings_Banda
When reading up on all those countries you mentioned and a couple of "leaders" I've mentioned keep a look out for the following key words: one party state, communism, China Soviet block, etc etc.
Also I'm going to take you to task about S.A. being more succesful uinder black leadership than white leadership. I'd like a few links please
Also a rather moot point but a point nonetheless, if sanctions and disinvestment hadn't been the order of the day during apartheid the ANC would have had a much better platform to launch from than they did. That said IMO S.A. did bloody well considering...
^^^ According to latest reports (Unilever) middle class black spending power is on par with whites, so the tax base story doesn't really float anymore.
But yes I agree the ANC did inherit a strong infrastrcuture and weakthy country (althogh an unhealthy economy at the time), but the ANC didn't destroy our country, it made it boom into unprecedented economic wealth and stability. And this very coming from a DA supporter.
Now the question about management is an interesting one. Is it becuase of merit or stereotype? Hhhmmm. Now I disagree with Malema that white management must be taken down and quotas imposed. But he does have a point about the false stereotypes that still linger in our society.
But yes I agree the ANC did inherit a strong infrastrcuture and weakthy country (althogh an unhealthy economy at the time), but the ANC didn't destroy our country, it made it boom into unprecedented economic wealth and stability. And this very coming from a DA supporter.
Now the question about management is an interesting one. Is it becuase of merit or stereotype? Hhhmmm. Now I disagree with Malema that white management must be taken down and quotas imposed. But he does have a point about the false stereotypes that still linger in our society.
There was a war in Namibia, although I'm sure you wouldn't class it as a civil war. Zambia, Tanzania were big Soviet/ANC/SWAPO allies during this conflict and if you went to read up a bit of history for some of these countries you will see a very familiar pattern....Chinese/Russian help, god like status for the ANC Comrades and Mugabe, oh and not to mention the chasing out of white people in all of those countries. Oh and all those countries leaders were.....BLACK!
To help you out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Kaunda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanzibar_Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hastings_Banda
When reading up on all those countries you mentioned and a couple of "leaders" I've mentioned keep a look out for the following key words: one party state, communism, China Soviet block, etc etc.
Also I'm going to take you to task about S.A. being more succesful uinder black leadership than white leadership. I'd like a few links please
Oh wait are you classifying anti-colonial wars as civil wars? Wow ok.... and second of all, you're looking at the past again! Look at the current state. Are any of these countries Marxist and allied to the Soviet Bloc (which is inexistent btw)? No.
And if the white leadership was so brilliant, they wouldn't have imposed a system like apartheid and dragged SA through economic and social hell during the 80's.
They all have Socialist/Marxist leanings and all have affinity to China which is a communist state.
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
I'm guessing you know nothing about German unification under Bismarck. Nazi Germany was very united, especially in the decade leading up to the Second World War; even since the mid 1800s, in fact. Your comments make absolutely no sense and have no basis whatsoever.
Yes the USA and Japan had a civil war 150 years ago, not 20. Of course I was referring to Germany, but my point still stands. What's yours?
Once again, it is evident that by WWII Japan was a united nation and this is evident in the decades following the war. Thanks for pointing them out so that we can understand it will be at least another 100 years before Africa is on par with them.
Africa is still tribal, it is not united in many countries - even here we have Zulus vs. Xhosas in a political sense. However when a massacre like Rwanda occurs you can see the reasons that Africa is not ready for all encompassing democracy.
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semiautomatix
Honorary Master
Wow ok.... and second of all, you're looking at the past again! Look at the current state.
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
The just renamed Bantu Education to Outcome Based Education.
Once again you can't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer!