Question regarding Islam

[smb3]

Typical of islam

The referance is not refering to a man but rather to the Holy Ghost
(Paraclete, Comforter (L. Consolator; Greek parakletos), an appellation of the Holy Ghost)

This is a result of Muhamads imperfect understanding of the christain faith

According to this comment, Muhamad needs to understand the complete christian faith before preaching islam? why?

and why is BOYAH's comment suddenly a reflection on muhamad all of a sudden? interesting

@smb, from what I understand, under strict christian doctorine mohammad as a false prophet(along with all others) were predicted.

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Ah ok, i see ... then i must have read incorrectly then ... although islam also has the same notion that there will be false prophets after muhammad ...

so then can somebody explain to me who the final prophet is according to christianity? would be interesting to know

 

[Who Me]

@who me.Which is more plausable-A soul meaning a man or a ghost.

Definatly not your man, again your understanding is imperfect

The Holy Ghost is the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity.
Though really distinct, as a Person, from the Father and the Son, He is consubstantial with Them; being God like Them, He possesses with Them one and the same Divine Essence or Nature.
He proceeds, not by way of generation, but by way of spiration, from the Father and the Son together, as from a single principle.

 

[Who Me]

According to this comment, Muhamad needs to understand the complete christian faith before preaching islam? why?

No what it means is that he based his religion on the bits and pieces that he liked from the Jewish and Christian faith and didnt quite get the message

so then can somebody explain to me who the final prophet is according to christianity? would be interesting to know

According to my religon there will be no more prophets as Jesus is the Saviour, true Son of Man and God with us.

But hey that is just a little something that occured 570 years before muhamad was born and subsequently had a epifany

 

[wise_guy]

Muhammad knew absolutely nothing about Judaism and Christianity as he was illitrate.Everything he learnt came directly from God through the Angel Gabriel.Ironically a lot of the revelations actually confirmed what was in the Bible and The Torah.The Quran merely corrects previous scriptures instead of refuting or rejecting them.Islam embraces Jesus instead of rejecting his teachings.Jesus mother Mary has an entire chapter dedicated to her and is the only woman mentioned in the Quran.Why can't the Christians accept Muhammed in the same way.

 

[alloytoo]

@who me.Which is more plausable-A soul meaning a man or a ghost.

"Spirit of Truth"

 

[Who Me]

The life of Jesus is an uninterrupted series of acts of love for his fellow man, what did Muhammad preach?

 

[alloytoo]

Muhammad knew absolutely nothing about Judaism and Christianity as he was illitrate.Everything he learnt came directly from God through the Angel Gabriel.Ironically a lot of the revelations actually confirmed what was in the Bible and The Torah.The Quran merely corrects previous scriptures instead of refuting or rejecting them.Islam embraces Jesus instead of rejecting his teachings.Jesus mother Mary has an entire chapter dedicated to her and is the only woman mentioned in the Quran.Why can't the Christians accept Muhammed in the same way.

Because Muhammed was a heretic?

 

[Who Me]

Muhammad knew absolutely nothing about Judaism and Christianity as he was illitrate.Everything he learnt came directly from God through the Angel Gabriel.Ironically a lot of the revelations actually confirmed what was in the Bible and The Torah.The Quran merely corrects previous scriptures instead of refuting or rejecting them.Islam embraces Jesus instead of rejecting his teachings.Jesus mother Mary has an entire chapter dedicated to her and is the only woman mentioned in the Quran.Why can't the Christians accept Muhammed in the same way.

Because he is a false prophet, just because he include parts of the Jewish and Christian faiths in his book does not make him right, but rather a plagiarizer and not a very good one at that

On his commercial journeys to Syria and Palestine he became acquainted with Jews and Christians, and acquired an imperfect knowledge of their religion and traditions. He was a man of retiring disposition, addicted to prayer and fasting, and was subject to epileptic fits. In his fortieth year (A.D. 612), he claimed to have received a call from the Angel Gabriel, and thus began his active career as the prophet of Allah

It is generally admitted that the Koran is substantially the work of Mohammed. According to the traditionalists, it contains the pure revelation he could neither read nor write, but that immediately afterwards he could do both; others believe that even before the revelation he could read and write; while others, again, deny that he could ever do so. Thus it is uncertain whether any of the suras were written down by the Prophet himself or all delivered by him orally and afterwards writen down by others from memory.

 

[Who Me]

Mohammed's hearers began by trusting their memories to retain the words of the revelation they had received from him.

How good were their memories?

Later, those who could write traced them in ancient characters on palm leaves, tanned hides, or dry bones. After the Prophet's death all these fragments were collected

Did they maybe miss the ones pertaining to peace and loving you fellow man. Also the one saying that blowing up people is bad

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Zaid ibn Thabit, Mohammed's disciple, was charged by Abu Bekr, the caliph, to collect all that could be discovered of the sacred text in one volume. The chapters were then arranged according to their length and without regard to historical sequence. The revision made twenty years later affected details of language of the text.

All that could be discovered, sound like they missed some and they did a revision twenty years later. So much for unchanged

 

[porchrat]

Muhammad knew absolutely nothing about Judaism and Christianity as he was illitrate.

You're saying people can't know about Judaism or Christianity unless they can read?

People can't speak the words in the Torah or the Bible?

 

[wise_guy]

@porchrat.In the 6th century AD,middle of the desert,people worshipping idols,burying their kids alive -I would say that no Christianity has touched these parts no.

 

[porchrat]

@porchrat.In the 6th century AD,middle of the desert,people worshipping idols,burying their kids alive -I would say that no Christianity has touched these parts no.

I think that is a massive assumption.

Also I notice you conveniently left out Judaism in that post

 

[smb3]

How good were their memories?



Did they maybe miss the ones pertaining to peace and loving you fellow man. Also the one saying that blowing up people is bad

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All that could be discovered, sound like they missed some and they did a revision twenty years later. So much for unchanged

I reckon their memories is very good ... since when you learn to memorize the quran you have to read the entire book to a bunch of other imams (priests would be the equivalent here) ... who in turn memorized the quran and recited it to another bunch of imams and so on and so on ... so the advantage of doing this is that the preservation is not lost because its not just one person you reciting to but more than one ... additionally people who memorize the quran revise every night (or they supposed to) since its quite an effort to read the entire book in a night if you have a job or are studying etc, etc.

So as far as missing pieces go, the people remembered the quran and also wrote it down so as to not forget. They also had different cultures than us so revising and having constant recitals were the norm. You can argue this point with me but im pretty sure that they didnt have a repository of knowledge like we do.

the changes made to the quran was to improve readability between non arab speaking muslims; since arabic is a highly complex language similar to chinese/japanese ... none of the actual words were changed since somebody that memorized the quran in one country where the quran is written differently would recite it the same and they would match exactly.

So let me ask the following ... if a british reading matthew's version of the bible and another south african read the genesis version of the bible ... would it end up being the same? ... if they read the quran they would end up saying the same thing

The one thing i noticed about you is that you like to make one liner remarks about islam and muhammad ... quite strange. Do you therefore have the same attitude towards judaism and moses as well? I'm also pretty sure that you are able to reconstruct my words into something i didn't mean to say ... but i think i can argue against misquotes and i'm able to admit when im wrong (i dont know how to embed quotes like in your previous post, but im focussing on your words, so my bad if i make a mistake) ... so it's okay i guess.

The other thing i wanted to ask is if christianity acknowledges Abraham as a prophet?

 

[wise_guy]

@porchrat.Its a massive assumption that I conveniently left Judaism out.I just forgot.
People in Arabia were not exposed to common religions any more that the people of Africa,Asia,Americas at that time.Let's not forget the pagan Persians who were exposed to the Romans but were not influenced by religions.

 

[smb3]

Another example of Taqiyya?

The irony hurts, using passages which affirm Christ's divinity to "support" your view.

Aside: I must say I'm bitterly disappointed in the Christians on this forum.

As i mentioned before, taqiyyah is a scenario where in the face of danger you are permitted to disguise open religious practice to protect your life. This is mostly a shia practice as mentioned before.

If you want to say that the guy is lying then go ahead and say it ... using arabic words and not fully knowing the meaning of it is a bit ignorant if you ask me.

Im not sure what the irony is though .... since it depends which version of john's bible he was talking about ... are all versions of john's bible the same? if so why is there a "new international version"?

I dont think that you should be disappointed in the christians .... were you expecting more flaming on this topic? I think that christians are peaceful people and many of my friends are christian ... i just don't drink with them or eat with them ... anything wrong with that?

 

[wise_guy]

@smb3.I was bitterly disapointed with alloytoo when he kept on referring to the Almighty Creator as sadistic.Sigh!

 

[JCSM]

@smb3.I was bitterly disapointed with alloytoo when he kept on referring to the Almighty Creator as sadistic.Sigh!

We'll Im very curious to know what Alloytoo believes in... if indeed anything.:wtf:

 

[porchrat]

@porchrat.Its a massive assumption that I conveniently left Judaism out.I just forgot.

Which is still leaving it out. I didn't mention why you left it out. Maybe read a little less quickly next time.

People in Arabia were not exposed to common religions any more that the people of Africa,Asia,Americas at that time.Let's not forget the pagan Persians who were exposed to the Romans but were not influenced by religions.

More assumptions.

 

[smb3]

Which is still leaving it out. I didn't mention why you left it out. Maybe read a little less quickly next time.

More assumptions.

Quick question ... how is your record of history more accurate than BOYAH's ?? ... wouldn't yours also be an assumption since you didnt actually live in that time period?? .... im just wondering where the line will be drawn when you will start believing that something happened in the past when it comes from another person that's all

 

[DigitalSoldier]

@smb3.I was bitterly disapointed with alloytoo when he kept on referring to the Almighty Creator as sadistic.Sigh!

So he is not sadistic ?

killing babies, commanding his followers to kill infidels etc...

Seems like he enjoys the suffering of non-believers even though he "created" them