I can't even look past the inherent and blatant dishonesty of the website's name - TrueAuthority.com For True Science. Ironic, in an appallingly bad way.
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I can't even look past the inherent and blatant dishonesty of the website's name - TrueAuthority.com For True Science. Ironic, in an appallingly bad way.
porchrat
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Fudzy
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Don't Jews as well?
They get a special dispensation since they form part of our faith ie jesus was raised as a jew.
There are quite a few verses in the bible dealing with this
Islam on the other hand doesnt even feature and has corrupted our teachings to form the basis of their religon. Maybe they thought to gain acceptance by doing this?
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Fudzy
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Can you paraphrase them for me? The last set you posted were quite interesting. What does the Torah say about Jesus and Christians?
Romans 11
1say then: Has God cast away his people? God forbid! For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away his people which he foreknew
25 For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, of this mystery (lest you should be wise in your own conceits) that blindness in part has happened in Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles should come in. 26 And so all Israel should be saved, as it is written: There shall come out of Sion, he that shall deliver and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. 27 And this is to them my covenant: when I shall take away their sins
1say then: Has God cast away his people? God forbid! For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away his people which he foreknew
25 For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, of this mystery (lest you should be wise in your own conceits) that blindness in part has happened in Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles should come in. 26 And so all Israel should be saved, as it is written: There shall come out of Sion, he that shall deliver and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. 27 And this is to them my covenant: when I shall take away their sins
Here are some interesting prophecies regarding jews, that have fulfilled
The Jewish people will be regathered in unbelief from the four corners of the earth (Isaiah 11:11-12). Fulfillment: 20th Century and continuing.
The state of Israel will be re-established (Isaiah 66:7-8 & Ezekiel 37:21-22). Fulfillment: May 14, 1948.
The Jews will once again re-occupy the city of Jerusalem (Zechariah 8:4-8), Fulfillment: June 7, 1967.
The land of Israel will be reclaimed from its desolation, becoming once again a land of agricultural abundance (Ezekiel 36:34-35). Fulfillment: 20th Century and continuing.
The Hebrew language will be revived from the dead (Zephaniah 3:9). Fulfillment: 19th & 20th Centuries.
All the nations of the world will come together against Israel over the issue of the control of Jerusalem (Zechariah 12:1-3). Fulfillment: Currently occurring.
The Jewish people will be regathered in unbelief from the four corners of the earth (Isaiah 11:11-12). Fulfillment: 20th Century and continuing.
The state of Israel will be re-established (Isaiah 66:7-8 & Ezekiel 37:21-22). Fulfillment: May 14, 1948.
The Jews will once again re-occupy the city of Jerusalem (Zechariah 8:4-8), Fulfillment: June 7, 1967.
The land of Israel will be reclaimed from its desolation, becoming once again a land of agricultural abundance (Ezekiel 36:34-35). Fulfillment: 20th Century and continuing.
The Hebrew language will be revived from the dead (Zephaniah 3:9). Fulfillment: 19th & 20th Centuries.
All the nations of the world will come together against Israel over the issue of the control of Jerusalem (Zechariah 12:1-3). Fulfillment: Currently occurring.
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Fudzy
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Very interesting, thanks. I wonder if the source of that information thought it would take so long 
Very interesting, thanks. I wonder if the source of that information thought it would take so long
They seemed to take a long term view when it came to this
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Nothxkbi
Banned
Yup, true authority. You know, how the church says the galaxy revolves around the earth or that the universe is 6000 years old and if they say it, well then, who are we to challenge that I mean they clearly know more than the world's greatest scientists and astronomers...................
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Mr_Paris
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Sorry I've been really busy and could not keep track but here is some of my responses. Will pick it up later this evening/tomorrow.
Alloy, aren’t you an atheist? In any case…
If Christianity preaches that you must protect yourself against false prophets, so too does Islam preach that. Surely that is NOT a difference but a similarity. In all honestly I believe that the false prophet is the Anti-Christ. He will claim to be the savior when indeed he is not… (link) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih_ad-Dajjal
Jesus (pbuh) is my savior too : ) and to answer your question, if you said that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was mortal I would’nt blow you up no.
Tell me something who was before Jesus ? Who created Jesus? Who was the God of the Jews? Do you believe in the God of the Jews?
On what basis can you confirm this? If there are similarities how do you prove that it is plagiarism or a true continuation? How would know if it is a continuation? Clearly if it truly is God’s Divine Message it would most certainly have similarities to all of God’s other messages.
Please elaborate. What teachings are you talking about?
Alloy, aren’t you an atheist? In any case…
If Christianity preaches that you must protect yourself against false prophets, so too does Islam preach that. Surely that is NOT a difference but a similarity. In all honestly I believe that the false prophet is the Anti-Christ. He will claim to be the savior when indeed he is not… (link) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih_ad-Dajjal
Well the trinity is made up of 3 The Father, the son and the holy ghost. The Father is God to me. The rest is not. Does that make sense to you?
Jesus (pbuh) is my savior too : ) and to answer your question, if you said that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) was mortal I would’nt blow you up no.
Tell me something who was before Jesus ? Who created Jesus? Who was the God of the Jews? Do you believe in the God of the Jews?
On what basis can you confirm this? If there are similarities how do you prove that it is plagiarism or a true continuation? How would know if it is a continuation? Clearly if it truly is God’s Divine Message it would most certainly have similarities to all of God’s other messages.
Please elaborate. What teachings are you talking about?
alloytoo
Honorary Master
If it makes you feel any better I think Adam Smith and L Ron Hubbard were also conmen.
Yup that Muhummed alright. "Wolf in Sheeps Clothing."
I just want to make the remark (since I believe in the end times ...heaven hell and all of that)
No religion can save anyone..not even Christianity. Only Jesus Christ can! The only way to God is through His Son according to the Word.
The reason why I say this is because when you accept Him (with repentance) into your hart as your personal Savior (He payed for all man's sin... also for future sin)......you receive Gods Holy Spirit and you change. The Bible speaks of it.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new I have personal experience of this. The change has been very dramatic. In this doesn't make you perfect......However from Gods side he will look at you as holy,clean through the blood of His Son.
But from our side we know that there's alot of things that we must get rid like for instance..... dishonesty...etc.
and this is the Grace of God. He gave his Son, but people trample on His blood..... The pain Christ felt was not from the nails and thorns !! If you need explanation just ask
No religion can save anyone..not even Christianity. Only Jesus Christ can! The only way to God is through His Son according to the Word.
The reason why I say this is because when you accept Him (with repentance) into your hart as your personal Savior (He payed for all man's sin... also for future sin)......you receive Gods Holy Spirit and you change. The Bible speaks of it.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new I have personal experience of this. The change has been very dramatic. In this doesn't make you perfect......However from Gods side he will look at you as holy,clean through the blood of His Son.
But from our side we know that there's alot of things that we must get rid like for instance..... dishonesty...etc.
and this is the Grace of God. He gave his Son, but people trample on His blood..... The pain Christ felt was not from the nails and thorns !! If you need explanation just ask
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Is this thread's title "Question regarding Christianity"?
Nope its about defending our faith from slander
22Who is a liar, but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denies the Son, the same has not the Father.
Bible, First Epistle of John, chapter 2, verse 22[
Therefore Muhammad is a false prophet
There is therefore nothing created, nothing subject to another in the Trinity: nor is there anything that has been added as though it once had not existed, but had entered afterwards: therefore the Father has never been without the Son, nor the Son without the Spirit: and this same Trinity is immutable and unalterable forever
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm
The God of the Jews is our God; there has never been a debate about this
But plenty of other muslims would, plus they would kill quite a few other people to get the message across.
Through his vision, Muhammad wrote many things that do not measure up to the Bible. In particular he contradicts three fundamental doctrines of Christianity. These three Christian fundamentals are; salvation and how to achieve it, who Jesus really is, and the birth of Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ..."
Acts 4:12 “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”
Romans 10:9 “...That if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
Galatians 2:16 "...a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ...by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
Luke 1:30-33 "And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God."
Well Jesus preached peace, loving your neighbor/enemy and turning the other cheek etc.
While Muhammad on the other hand, well there are a few items
Approval of slavery
Treatment of women
Treatment of people who leave Islam
Approval of the killing of non believers
Treatment of the Jews
Physical pleasure in the afterlife, only for men it seems
Etc.
Maybe you missed the context in which I replied. Post 314 looks like a sticky for proselytizing.
Mr_Paris
Well-Known Member
Do you see how this is going to play out?
Well let me paint the picture according to Islam.... Islam prophecises that the Anti-Christ is still coming. Christians believe that Prophet Muhammed is the Anti-Christ.
Should the prophecies of the Antichrist play out, Christians would believe he is the true saviour because he will cause miracles just as Jesus has. We beleive that the antichrist would come and would lure people to follow him, he'd be able to cause droughts and shortages of food for those that do not follow him. People would follow him open heartedly thinking he is the true Saviour.
It is then prophecised that the True Jesus would appear to destroy the anti-christ and save all the true believers.
Think about it for a second. Prophet Muhammed was sent as a messenger to preach the words of God.
Exactly my point, so before Jesus was on earth there was already a God. Then Jesus comes to earth and he becomes God. If i don't take Jesus to be my God and just take God that was before Jesus as God am i wrong?
Ignorance. We dont take Prophet Muhammed to be an immortal being, we take him as a normal human being. You generalising when you do not much about Islam.
can't really comment as the Qur'aan does contradict that. Basically the Qur'aan states that Jesus is not the Son of God. He is the beloved of God. It is a direct contradiction.
Allah talks about his infinite power and how if he had willed he could have destroyed every single human being Jesus Christ included. What is being trying to be said is that If Jesus is God, he would be Omni Powerful as well. Surely God cannot be destroyed. Jesus Christ can be destroyed, does that not deny the power of God?
Do not confuse the below mentioned verse as if God did not Love Jesus Christ. He is one the most beloved of God but to say he himself is God is not correct (according to Islam)
No slavery in the Bible?
it is just and fair and it protects woment.
How do people get treated when leaving Islam?
Where is it approved to kill non believers?
There is a short Chapter that deals with Atheists in the Qur'aan.
It is called The Atheists/The Disbelievers
Basically the same as christians... Those that are righteous between the Christians and Jews who follow their teachings are going to be judged accordingly for no atoms worth of good will go unrewarded.
It seems... sexist islam hey? Each person will be judged accordingly, men do not get preference over women nor do women get preference over men. Each one will be rewarded according to what they have done on the earth.
Will this thread ever end? ....
Look people will always maintain their religiouos views and talking about it on a forum won't change anybodies mindset ... in fact we will just make things worse between us if we try to prove contradictions in one another's religion (or lack thereof) ... plus its kind of pointless since nobody will say "you know what you are right, im changing faiths now" ... lol
what is better is if we say how our religions (or lack thereof for the atheists) are different without making one lesser than the other ... which is a much better alternative since we all learn stuff ... like i respect when people say islam/judaism/christianity is incorrect because of so and so .... but dont say afterward that muahamad/jesus/moses is a <insert_bad_thing> since i really don't care about slandering religious figures .... its a little thing called respect & tolerance between religions ... which makes me come to the point again that the thread is kind of pointless now for me since we just slandering each other (first islam now christianity...)
"to you be your religion and to me be my religion"
Look people will always maintain their religiouos views and talking about it on a forum won't change anybodies mindset ... in fact we will just make things worse between us if we try to prove contradictions in one another's religion (or lack thereof) ... plus its kind of pointless since nobody will say "you know what you are right, im changing faiths now" ... lol
what is better is if we say how our religions (or lack thereof for the atheists) are different without making one lesser than the other ... which is a much better alternative since we all learn stuff ... like i respect when people say islam/judaism/christianity is incorrect because of so and so .... but dont say afterward that muahamad/jesus/moses is a <insert_bad_thing> since i really don't care about slandering religious figures .... its a little thing called respect & tolerance between religions ... which makes me come to the point again that the thread is kind of pointless now for me since we just slandering each other (first islam now christianity...)
"to you be your religion and to me be my religion"