Question regarding Islam

[JCSM]

Will this thread ever end? ....

Look people will always maintain their religiouos views and talking about it on a forum won't change anybodies mindset ... in fact we will just make things worse between us if we try to prove contradictions in one another's religion (or lack thereof) ... plus its kind of pointless since nobody will say "you know what you are right, im changing faiths now" ... lol

what is better is if we say how our religions (or lack thereof for the atheists) are different without making one lesser than the other ... which is a much better alternative since we all learn stuff ... like i respect when people say islam/judaism/christianity is incorrect because of so and so .... but dont say afterward that muahamad/jesus/moses is a <insert_bad_thing> since i really don't care about slandering religious figures .... its a little thing called respect & tolerance between religions ... which makes me come to the point again that the thread is kind of pointless now for me since we just slandering each other (first islam now christianity...)

"to you be your religion and to me be my religion"

Amen! but Jesus Christ is still the ONLY way to God..... sorry I had to. This prevents anyone who mocked God on this thread to say one day "JCSM, look at where I am, why didnt you tell me? Now it's to late"

 

[Fudzy]

Amen! but Jesus Christ is still the ONLY way to God..... sorry I had to. This prevents anyone who mocked God on this thread to say one day "JCSM, look at where I am, why didnt you tell me? Now it's to late"

What's too late?

 

[JCSM]

What's too late?

Send me a message we can discuss in private! I already caused the closure of another thread!

 

[ToxicBunny]

Way to go for what? and too late for what?

 

[smb3]

Way to go for what? and too late for what?

Because in JCSM's mind he wants to tell people that christianity is the true religion and then come judgment day then we wont have an excuse of "oh nobody didn't tell me" when we go to hell since we didnt die christians and he will go to heaven

All religions are the same in this regard and muslims/jews/others will do the same (just swap christianity with islam/judaism/others) ... its just part of the good nature of people since we want the best for each other ...

so can we close the thread now?

 

[Fudzy]

Because in JCSM's mind he wants to tell people that christianity is the true religion and then come judgment day then we wont have an excuse of "oh nobody didn't tell me" when we go to hell since we didnt die christians and he will go to heaven

All religions are the same in this regard and muslims/jews/others will do the same (just swap christianity with islam/judaism/others) ... its just part of the good nature of people since we want the best for each other ...

so can we close the thread now?

Yeah it's starting to smell ripe. RBP my OP everyone, ask them to close it.

 

[Who Me]

Maybe you missed the context in which I replied. Post 314 looks like a sticky for proselytizing.

Sorry didnt mean to, not here to look for converts.

 

[undesign]

Another question regarding Islam -

Is this the humane, peaceful religion that is Islam?

Pakistan: Warnings over Christian's pardon

Islamabad - Pakistan's most influential Sunni Muslim alliance urged the government on Friday not to pardon a Christian mother sentenced to death for blasphemy, warning that it would lead to nationwide anarchy.

Bibi was arrested in June 2009 after Muslim women labourers refused to drink from a bowl of water she was asked to fetch while out working in the fields.

Days later, the women complained that she made derogatory remarks about the Prophet Mohammed. Bibi was set upon by a mob, arrested by police and sentenced on November 8.

link...

 

[JCSM]

Because in JCSM's mind he wants to tell people that christianity is the true religion and then come judgment day then we wont have an excuse of "oh nobody didn't tell me" when we go to hell since we didnt die christians and he will go to heaven

All religions are the same in this regard and muslims/jews/others will do the same (just swap christianity with islam/judaism/others) ... its just part of the good nature of people since we want the best for each other ...

so can we close the thread now?

You guys keep on with religion, religion,religion . . . .religion doesn't mean diddly squat. Religion can't save you!. Christianity? It's only reborn Christians that will go to heaven.
I'll make a statement: Most Christians will end up in hell. The only way to God is through Jesus Christ. What this means is to honestly except Him as your personal Lord and Savior into your hart and repenting your sin. This is a single action through a prayer

 

[Rosaudio]

You guys keep on with religion, religion,religion . . . .religion doesn't mean diddly squat. Religion can't save you!. Christianity? It's only reborn Christians that will go to heaven.
I'll make a statement: Most Christians will end up in hell. The only way to God is through Jesus Christ. What this means is to honestly except Him as your personal Lord and Savior into your hart and repenting your sin. This is a single action through a prayer

What a lovely story, sounds so nice. It's a shame there is no Heaven or God then isn't it

 

[DigitalSoldier]

You guys keep on with religion, religion,religion . . . .religion doesn't mean diddly squat. Religion can't save you!. Christianity? It's only reborn Christians that will go to heaven.
I'll make a statement: Most Christians will end up in hell. The only way to God is through Jesus Christ. What this means is to honestly except Him as your personal Lord and Savior into your hart and repenting your sin. This is a single action through a prayer

or you can get your very own tv show and make loads of cash!

 

[JCSM]

Sorry didnt mean to, not here to look for convert.

Listen guy I'm a reborn Christian too and I've already recognized you as one. Brother this here will carry on for ever cause everyone wants to defend a religion (even the Atheists).
See 1 Cor 2:14 - the natural man vs the spiritual man . This is the reason way they cant see.
Also because they dont believe in the Word of God there's no point in quoting it to them. Trust the Holy Spirit to do the work - we've mentioned the Name of all names Jesus Christ so many times here and for me that is enough.

 

[JCSM]

What a lovely story, sounds so nice. It's a shame there is no Heaven or God then isn't it

I think I will give you a quote..

"Who shall give account to Him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead"

 

[JCSM]

or you can get your very own tv show and make loads of cash!

they will have to answer too!!

 

[TonyHawk]

Another question regarding Islam -

Is this the humane, peaceful religion that is Islam?

Pakistan: Warnings over Christian's pardon

Islamabad - Pakistan's most influential Sunni Muslim alliance urged the government on Friday not to pardon a Christian mother sentenced to death for blasphemy, warning that it would lead to nationwide anarchy.

Bibi was arrested in June 2009 after Muslim women labourers refused to drink from a bowl of water she was asked to fetch while out working in the fields.

Days later, the women complained that she made derogatory remarks about the Prophet Mohammed. Bibi was set upon by a mob, arrested by police and sentenced on November 8.

link...

You get the feeling you can't debate with muslims.. and the jews are just as bad
I know Samson dondered the palestines (muslims).. who sorted out the jews ?

 

[Nothxkbi]

The God of the Jews is our God; there has never been a debate about this

+1

 

[Who Me]

Do you see how this is going to play out?

Well let me paint the picture according to Islam.... Islam prophecises that the Anti-Christ is still coming. Christians believe that Prophet Muhammed is the Anti-Christ.

Should the prophecies of the Antichrist play out, Christians would believe he is the true saviour because he will cause miracles just as Jesus has. We beleive that the antichrist would come and would lure people to follow him, he'd be able to cause droughts and shortages of food for those that do not follow him. People would follow him open heartedly thinking he is the true Saviour.

It is then prophecised that the True Jesus would appear to destroy the anti-christ and save all the true believers.

Think about it for a second. Prophet Muhammed was sent as a messenger to preach the words of God.

Unfortunately for you in the Christian teachings John says that there will be many antichrists that will come before the Ultimate Antichrist. So Muhammad is still an antichrist although only a minor one.

Exactly my point, so before Jesus was on earth there was already a God. Then Jesus comes to earth and he becomes God. If i don't take Jesus to be my God and just take God that was before Jesus as God am i wrong?

You are wrong, God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit have been one since the beginning of time, you cannot separate them.

Ignorance. We dont take Prophet Muhammed to be an immortal being, we take him as a normal human being. You generalising when you do not much about Islam.

Judging by the amount of violence that is perpetrated against critics of Muhammad around the world you wouldn’t think so. The actions of practioners of Islam around the world have shaped my view.

can't really comment as the Qur'aan does contradict that. Basically the Qur'aan states that Jesus is not the Son of God. He is the beloved of God. It is a direct contradiction.

Allah talks about his infinite power and how if he had willed he could have destroyed every single human being Jesus Christ included. What is being trying to be said is that If Jesus is God, he would be Omni Powerful as well. Surely God cannot be destroyed. Jesus Christ can be destroyed, does that not deny the power of God?

Do not confuse the below mentioned verse as if God did not Love Jesus Christ. He is one the most beloved of God but to say he himself is God is not correct (according to Islam)

Why would the Quran say that your god could destroy Jesus if he wanted to?

Jesus took a mortal form while on earth, but he was still one with God, according to my teachings Islam got it wrong.

No slavery in the Bible?

Yes in the Old Testament, however Jesus never promoted slavery unlike this
The Qur'an (the holy book) and the hadith (the sayings of Muhammad) see slavery as an exceptional condition that can be entered into under certain limited circumstances.[2] Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war could become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim

it is just and fair and it protects woment.

And those (wives) you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. (Qur'an 4:34, Arberry)

`Umar reported the Prophet as saying, "A man will not be asked about why he beat his wife." Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah transmitted it. (Mishkat Al-Masabih: vol. 2, p. 693)

Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please. (Qur'an 2:223,)

The Prophet (p.) said, "if a man invites his wife to sleep with him an she refuses to come to him, then angels send their curses on her till morning." (Bukhari: vol. 7, bk. 62, no. 121, Khan)

The Prophet said, "Isn't the witness of a women equal to half that of a man?" The women said "yes". He said "This is because of the deficiency of the women's mind." (Bukhari: vol. 3, bk. 48, no. 826, Khan)

I had a chance to look into paradise and I found that majority of the people was poor and I looked into the Fire and there I found the majority constituted by women. (Muslim: bk. 36, no. 6596-6601, Siddiqui)

Compared to christainity I don’t think so

How do people get treated when leaving Islam?

Well the general consensus seems to be that they should be killed
So are those who call for this acting against the words of your Phrophet?

Where is it approved to kill non believers?

There is a short Chapter that deals with Atheists in the Qur'aan.

It is called The Atheists/The Disbelievers

8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

There seems to be a lot of threats and punishments for everybody unlike Jesus teachings

Basically the same as christians... Those that are righteous between the Christians and Jews who follow their teachings are going to be judged accordingly for no atoms worth of good will go unrewarded.

Does that include aethist who do good works?

It seems... sexist islam hey? Each person will be judged accordingly, men do not get preference over women nor do women get preference over men. Each one will be rewarded according to what they have done on the earth

You still haven’t explained the thing with the virgins?
DO women also get them?

As I said, based on everything good and bad that I have read about Islam is still is a major step back from the teachings of Jesus Christ.

You never replied to my questions about Jerusalem etc

 

[Ghazi]

8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

There seems to be a lot of threats and punishments for everybody unlike Jesus teachings

It is this type of thing that inspires the terrorists of today.

 

[porchrat]

It is this type of thing that inspires the terrorists of today.

Similarly parts of the bible dealing with homosexuality inspire gay bashing.

 

[JCSM]

Similarly parts of the bible dealing with homosexuality inspire gay bashing.

Dont get me started!