R80,000 e-toll bill problem

Really?

A person who buys cars for people who are blacklisted, expects his clients to pay for e-tolls?

This just seems like a dense business model all around any way.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Really?

A person who buys cars for people who are blacklisted, expects his clients to pay for e-tolls?

This just seems like a dense business model all around any way.
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yeah

But none the less GL SANRAL, falling apart as we speak, we will destroy the admin.

Violent action needs to start now
 
ToxicBunny said:
Really?

A person who buys cars for people who are blacklisted, expects his clients to pay for e-tolls?

This just seems like a dense business model all around any way.
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Well it's high risk, sure, but he's also allowing people who would otherwise struggle the ability to get around & perhaps work themselves out of the holes they're in. For many getting a car is the deciding factor between redemption and disaster.
 
he needs to take SANRAL to court and get an interdict against them taking any action until they properly invoice him

if its an important part of his business its a justifiable cost
 
Interesting one...how do fines work for those vehicles? Would this banrep company receive multiple fines as well?
 
I see a lot of sanrals spokes people are referring people to the call center. So an outsourced call operator with a script is going to help answering the inner workings of sanral? Seems like an easy cop out. They just hope people get lost in the sea of endless forwards to other departments from one clueless person to another.
 
ChocolateBadger said:
I see a lot of sanrals spokes people are referring people to the call center. So an outsourced call operator with a script is going to help answering the inner workings of sanral? Seems like an easy cop out. They just hope people get lost in the sea of endless forwards to other departments from one clueless person to another.
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It's a monkey operation and no one wants to take responsibility hence constant passing around of people..
 
This guy's business model is the problem. Those people were blacklisted for a reason. They didn't pay what they owed.
So why does he assume now that they will suddenly start paying what they owe?
Recipe for disaster all around and it's kinda hard to have any sympathy for them.
He assumed personal risk for them and now the personal risk is coming home to roost.
 
derekc said:
Interesting one...how do fines work for those vehicles? Would this banrep company receive multiple fines as well?
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I think there are a lot of cases where a vehicle is registered to a company/individual but operated by another person.
The operator/driver is liable for the e-toll/fines - not the owner.
For fines, AARTO has a process where the owner can "Nominate the driver".
Not sure if e-tolls has a similar "Nominate the driver" process.

Edit: E-tolls also has a nomination process
http://www.sanral.co.za/e-toll/index.php?gort_xml+template~~menu/main~~L1_11840
Thys de Beer/Banrep needs to nominate the correct driver of the vehicle - problem solved.
 
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Garyvdh said:
This guy's business model is the problem. Those people were blacklisted for a reason. They didn't pay what they owed.
So why does he assume now that they will suddenly start paying what they owe?
Recipe for disaster all around and it's kinda hard to have any sympathy for them.
He assumed personal risk for them and now the personal risk is coming home to roost.
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It's not that simple.
 
Garyvdh said:
This guy's business model is the problem. Those people were blacklisted for a reason. They didn't pay what they owed.
So why does he assume now that they will suddenly start paying what they owe?
Recipe for disaster all around and it's kinda hard to have any sympathy for them.
He assumed personal risk for them and now the personal risk is coming home to roost.
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to an extent

but he assumed a certain quantity of risk and SANRAL has materially elevated that risk. I don't have any "sympathy" for him but it is an example of a legitimate (well I assume legitimate, not being aware of a prohibition) commercial activity being destroyed by etolling and so he should approach the courts to protect those business interests.
 
Wait a sec!

So if someone else drives my car and receives a moving violation / traffic fine, I can access various methods of showing that it wasn't me and the legal responsibility is passed along, right?

But Etoile is tied to the vehicle, so if for instance, my car is stolen, I am liable for the toll fees until the car is reported stolen.

In this guy's case, surely he can show SANRAL the agreement between himself and the owner /perp and in so doing not be liable.

Eish, this whole Etoile thing...
 
system32 said:
I think there are a lot of cases where a vehicle is registered to a company/individual but operated by another person.
The operator/driver is liable for the e-toll/fines - not the owner.
For fines, AARTO has a process where the owner can "Nominate the driver".
Not sure if e-tolls has a similar "Nominate the driver" process.
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I doubt as the toll can be seen as normal operation of the vehicle whereas fines are not.
 
This needs to be tested in court. Otherwise the arguments could go on forever. I am sure this was never envisaged.
 
Paul Hjul said:
to an extent

but he assumed a certain quantity of risk and SANRAL has materially elevated that risk. I don't have any "sympathy" for him but it is an example of a legitimate (well I assume legitimate, not being aware of a prohibition) commercial activity being destroyed by etolling and so he should approach the courts to protect those business interests.
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Sure, but I can't imagine the courts having much sympathy for him.
He is extending credit to people who have already been legally blacklisted.
That activity alone should be frowned upon by the courts.
The process of blacklisting people exists to protect other creditors from being burned by them.
This guy went in with his eyes fully open, and I can't imagine that the courts will have much sympathy for that.

Besides, he has known that e-tolling was coming for at least three years now.
Plenty of time to put the measures in place to ensure collection of the toll fees.
 
AfricanTech said:
Wait a sec!

So if someone else drives my car and receives a moving violation / traffic fine, I can access various methods of showing that it wasn't me and the legal responsibility is passed along, right?

But Etoile is tied to the vehicle, so if for instance, my car is stolen, I am liable for the toll fees until the car is reported stolen.

In this guy's case, surely he can show SANRAL the agreement between himself and the owner /perp and in so doing not be liable.

Eish, this whole Etoile thing...
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You are 100% correct.

He can complete the nomination form and provide copies of the agreements, but now he rather comes with BS about needing to trace people, etc. Hell, he has a team of repo men available to go and take a vehicle at any given moment, but now have 'tracing' issues....

He should actually be held responsible for all vehicles' e-toll accounts if he comes with these issues....
 
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