Report blames apartheid for violence

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http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Report-blames-apartheid-for-violence-20101109

A long-awaited report on the violent nature of crime in South Africa, released on Tuesday, found that the country's history of colonialisation and apartheid created a culture where people see resorting to force as normal.

The study, commissioned by Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa and conducted by the Centre for the Study of Violence and Reconciliation (CSVR), lists poverty, a weak criminal justice system, the availability of firearms and poor socialisation of the youth as factors that sustain a culture of violence.

It states that 31% of murder suspects in cases where the crime was carried out with criminal intent were 19-years-old or younger. In cases where arguments led to murder, 21% of suspects fell into this age group.

Briefing MPs on the report, the CSVR's executive director Adele Kirsten, said South Africans could not ignore the way in which apartheid still influenced all aspects of life, long after the advent of democracy.

'Apartheid remains present'

"(The report) does not imply that a group of people or the nation as a whole is inherently violent. What it wants to say is that given our history, given our experience of violence ... we have begun to see violence as normative. We see it as acceptable to use violence ... we see it as legitimate.

"This is what makes us unique. Our migrant labour system of apartheid fundamentally destroyed families. We are living with the legacy of that. I know that often in the public discourse people want to say apartheid is 15 years gone.

"It is not, it remains in our day-to-day interactions. It remains present in where we live, and it remains present in who is most vulnerable to be a victim of crime."

The report singles out mines as places were violence was learnt and taken into the townships. Police harassment, imprisonment and state sponsorship of violence in townships further contributed to create "a culture of violence that has reproduced itself ever since", the report states.

Its authors said the violence associated with strikes was therefore not surprising and called on politicians to refrain from rhetoric inciting violence.

MPs sceptical

MPs on Parliament's portfolio committee on police appeared sceptical about the value of the research, saying it failed to answer the fundamental question of why South Africa was so afflicted by violence.

"But what is it that is unique about South Africa?" chairperson Sindi Chikunga said, noting that the Democratic Republic of Congo had little street crime though it recently emerged from years of war.

Police secretary Jenni Irish-Quobosheane said the ministry shared the same concern.

"It is not as though there was something incredibly new and striking that hit us in the face. (But) it does pull a lot of information together and from that point of view it is quite useful."

The chief author of the report, Dave Bruce, countered that it was unrealistic to expect the 700-page report, which cost R3.5m to produce, to deliver new truths.

"The business of explaining violence is an international industry which is carried out in universities around the world. The international investment in explaining violence what would it be? Possibly hundreds of millions. To expect this R3.5m to develop a new explanation would be incredibly unrealistic."

He suggested that delving for the causes of crime would only go so far towards providing a solution to the problem.

"One can talk about all kinds of causes and that, but to some extent violence is simply based on the fact that people think it is okay to be violent."

I must get into report writing - at R3.5m
:wtf:
Ask me anything - I can blame it on apartheid for R3.5m
 
This crap is really getting old.....get over it already.

How about finding new ways to solve CURRENT problems instead of blaming the past for them.
 
I just saw this as well..

Fscking makes me hopping mad.... Why not blame the violence on human beings evolving?....

a 19year old is not violent because of Apartheid, they are violent because they are violent and need to bloody be discplined properly.
 
This crap is really getting old.....get over it already.

How about finding new ways to solve CURRENT problems instead of blaming the past for them.

If you can't understand the past and how it affects us today, how do you intend to solve the problems it created?

"This is what makes us unique. Our migrant labour system of apartheid fundamentally destroyed families. We are living with the legacy of that. I know that often in the public discourse people want to say apartheid is 15 years gone.

"It is not, it remains in our day-to-day interactions. It remains present in where we live, and it remains present in who is most vulnerable to be a victim of crime."

Your rebuttal to that, please!
 
IF that were true, everyone oppressed by apartheid wld today be a violent criminal. Anyway its always nice to have something/someone to blame rather than taking responsibility, shame SA it seems we are losing the battle.../
 
A long-awaited report on the violent nature of crime in South Africa, released on Tuesday, found that the country's history of colonialisation and apartheid created a culture where people see resorting to force as normal.

So Shaka must have been a peace loving herd boy as depicted by that statue in KZN, and they now want to break it down because it does not depict him as a warrior ? :rolleyes:
 
I just wanted to post this.

Most people don't want to face this problem and will shove it away as saying it is already 16 years that we are a democracy, but if you look at the social economic environment different type of people live in, we can still see that that it still has an big impact on our country.
 
Wait, get off the apartheid bandwagon.
Families have broken down.

A country needs it's families to build.
Families are the CORE building blocks, without families we are going to suffer from no-structure and no-responsibility.

How do you teach a nation about families and the family unit?
 
I suppose if you treat people like dogs all their life, they won't know any better when freed.

Previously, they knew what they fought against...now they don't know what to fight for.

Oh, its easy to blame colonialism and apartheid for everything, but its fine to drive a flashy X5, Cayenne, etc...

Your rebuttal to that, please!
 
I just wanted to post this.

Most people don't want to face this problem and will shove it away as saying it is already 16 years that we are a democracy, but if you look at the social economic environment different type of people live in, we can still see that that it still has an big impact on our country.

Thats probably because the new government isn't interested in the poor - they're interested in self-enrichment.
 

Maybe you should all read it properly. It does NOT blame apartheid for violence in SA.
It says: apartheid created a culture where people see resorting to force as normal.
It also goes on to say: poverty, a weak criminal justice system, the availability of firearms and poor socialisation of the youth as factors that sustain a culture of violence.
So it blames both apartheid, poverty and the current system (among other things).
For R3.5M I could have told them that.
 
If you can't understand the past and how it affects us today, how do you intend to solve the problems it created?


"It is not, it remains in our day-to-day interactions. It remains present in where we live, and it remains present in who is most vulnerable to be a victim of crime."
Your rebuttal to that, please!

Apartheid is being kept alive by the ANC!!

All this racial hatred being spread around by ANC supporters.
 
The past has a direct connection to THE PRESENT(future).

Apartheid is not the COMPLETE reason why people are violent towards <whatever here> but you better BELIEVE it is a HUGE part of it. You can deny it all you want but there is a reason why these stories come up, year after year...after year after year.

LISTEN to these people and try to understand where they are coming from. Apartheid and Slavery are biggest impact to hit the black race(-/+ aids), in many ways that is the FOUNDATION of the race and it wasn't as if any black person would want such a thing to happen or wished for it, but these are the AFTERMATH results and these are just some the consequences. It will only get worse from here(Karma?)

So if your whole foundation as a human is coming from the bottom to rise to the TOP, when you are at the bottom you also have a lot of "negative" emotions that should remain at the bottom(anger/sadness) so when these emotions are mixed with the current state of the average black man, on top of it, his/her GENETIC code has now been wired to survive at ALL COSTS....I mean WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?

This article speaks the truth in my view...
 
If you can't understand the past and how it affects us today, how do you intend to solve the problems it created?


"It is not, it remains in our day-to-day interactions. It remains present in where we live, and it remains present in who is most vulnerable to be a victim of crime."
Your rebuttal to that, please!

Apartheid is being kept alive by the ANC!!

All this racial hatred being spread around by ANC supporters.
 
Maybe you should all read it properly. It does NOT blame apartheid for violence in SA.
It says: apartheid created a culture where people see resorting to force as normal.
It also goes on to say: poverty, a weak criminal justice system, the availability of firearms and poor socialisation of the youth as factors that sustain a culture of violence.
So it blames both apartheid, poverty and the current system (among other things).
For R3.5M I could have told them that.

Its News24 who chose the title ;)
 
The past has a direct connection to THE PRESENT(future).

Apartheid is not the COMPLETE reason why people are violent towards <whatever here> but you better BELIEVE it is a HUGE part of it. You can deny it all you want but there is a reason why these stories come up, year after year...after year after year.

LISTEN to these people and try to understand where they are coming from. Apartheid and Slavery are biggest impact to hit the black race(-/+ aids), in many ways that is the FOUNDATION of the race and it wasn't as if any black person would want such a thing to happen or wished for it, but these are the AFTERMATH results and these are just some the consequences. It will only get worse from here(Karma?)

So if your whole foundation as a human is coming from the bottom to rise to the TOP, when you are at the bottom you also have a lot of "negative" emotions that should remain at the bottom(anger/sadness) so when these emotions are mixed with the current state of the average black man, on top of it, his/her GENETIC code has now been wired to survive at ALL COSTS....I mean WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?

This article speaks the truth in my view...

Is there a PROBLEM with THE caps KEY on your KEYBOARD?
 
So, now that the black men are in power, why don't they:

invest and build infrastructure.
improve education and education standards.
improve health and access to affordable health
lead by example by encouraging the youth to study and build the country

Unfortunately, as is the case in most African countries, there is always a reason to blame the past and remain stuck there.

The past has a direct connection to THE PRESENT(future).

Apartheid is not the COMPLETE reason why people are violent towards <whatever here> but you better BELIEVE it is a HUGE part of it. You can deny it all you want but there is a reason why these stories come up, year after year...after year after year.

LISTEN to these people and try to understand where they are coming from. Apartheid and Slavery are biggest impact to hit the black race(-/+ aids), in many ways that is the FOUNDATION of the race and it wasn't as if any black person would want such a thing to happen or wished for it, but these are the AFTERMATH results and these are just some the consequences. It will only get worse from here(Karma?)

So if your whole foundation as a human is coming from the bottom to rise to the TOP, when you are at the bottom you also have a lot of "negative" emotions that should remain at the bottom(anger/sadness) so when these emotions are mixed with the current state of the average black man, on top of it, his/her GENETIC code has now been wired to survive at ALL COSTS....I mean WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?

This article speaks the truth in my view...
 
Apartheid is being kept alive by the ANC!!

All this racial hatred being spread around by ANC supporters.

Yeah, so? They're slightly brighter than you: they know the effects of Apartheid are going to extend for generations, and they're happy to leverage that for their own ends.

You can criticise the ANC for continuing to spread racial hatred, but just remember where it all came from. Oh, and that it's still having negative effects.
 
Well they cant blame their current leadership OH no! And no one else in the history of the World has been oppressed like they have. South Africa is unique because we have the dumbest people in this World running a country into the ground then blamming someone else for our fsck ups.

Well Done.

Over this stupid Country anyways.
 
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