Resignation Letter

No company is allowed to give you a crap reference.

They are only allowed to provide your history, but they are not allowed to bad mouth you ;) If your job is 100% and attendence good. You have no worries about a reference. But if you have warnings and so forth at said company iw ould play nice ;)
 
Pitbull said:
No company is allowed to give you a crap reference.

They are only allowed to provide your history, but they are not allowed to bad mouth you ;) If your job is 100% and attendence good. You have no worries about a reference.
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... and then there is the real world.

People these days do not always operate like that. Vindictive people (not necessarily gdiza's current boss) sometimes just let something slip during a phone call.
 
Pitbull said:
No company is allowed to give you a crap reference.
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It's pretty much a give-away if an ex-boss states that he/she cannot say any more apart from confirming that the person in question was employed for a specific duration, at a specific salary in a specific capacity...;)
 
blunomore said:
... and then there is the real world.

People these days do not always operate like that. Vindictive people (not necessarily gdiza's current boss) sometimes just let something slip during a phone call.
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But you are allowed to ask the new company the reason for declining your application. and they can supply you with the reference you got from your old company.

Now that will cuase said company to have a very serious problem ;)

I understand where you are coming from. And Gdiza should just know that he has the right to ask why he was declined and he wants a copy of the reference given. Typed ofc, no way they can get a phone transcript :p
 
blunomore said:
... and then there is the real world.

People these days do not always operate like that. Vindictive people (not necessarily gdiza's current boss) sometimes just let something slip during a phone call.
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Too true. Deliberately or otherwise.
 
Pitbull said:
But you are allowed to ask the new company the reason for declining your application. and they can supply you with the reference you got from your old company.

Now that will cuase said company to have a very serious problem ;)

I understand where you are coming from. And Gdiza should just know that he has the right to ask why he was declined and he wants a copy of the reference given. Typed ofc, no way they can get a phone transcript :p
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The company is under no obligation to explain why they declined an application...
 
DJK said:
It's pretty much a give-away if an ex-boss states that he/she cannot say any more apart from confirming that the person in question was employed for a specific duration, at a specific salary in a specific capacity...;)
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Not really,

I have received 100's of reference checks from HR for applications in my area. All it does is give said person's work history. And personal traits. Remember I don't phone the company for these references I just get them to make use of it for short listings.

But it could vary from company to company I guess
 
skoob said:
I have to agree with some of the posts. Remain professional, even though you might not want to go back to that company...you just never know what the future holds.

It doesnt matter how cr_p an organisation is, your reputation is at stake.
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And you never know who knows who... I've discovered an old friend's brother-in-law is a colleague's roommate; a family member used to take kids to swimming lessons with the boss's kids; another family used to work with boss at another company a few years ago... it's never a good idea to burn bridges because you never know how it might affect you in the future.
 
Pitbull said:
Not really,

I have received 100's of reference checks from HR for applications in my area. All it does is give said person's work history. And personal traits. Remember I don't phone the company for these references I just get them to make use of it for short listings.

But it could vary from company to company I guess
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I'm not talking about an HR reference. I'm referring to when your ex-boss is called and refuses to go into any detail about you at all. Because one is not allowed to bash an ex-employee, it is pretty obvious...
 
blunomore said:
... and then there is the real world.

People these days do not always operate like that. Vindictive people (not necessarily gdiza's current boss) sometimes just let something slip during a phone call.
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OMG we agree,
You could give a fairly accurate reference whilst still painting a very bad picture of the ex employee, If it was law to give a good reference there would be no point woudld there? Comes back to it, why take the chance, be a good boy, do everything they ask in the last month (cause usually they dump it on you) smile and nod and be on your way.
 
DJK said:
I'm not talking about an HR reference. I'm referring to when your ex-boss is called and refuses to go into any detail about you at all. Because one is not allowed to bash an ex-employee, it is pretty obvious...
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It does depend on the company (and country). I worked for a large investment company in the UK, and all they would ever say is that yes, you worked for them; in X position, at X salary, between X date and Y date. Good or bad, they wouldn't say anything else.
 
DJK said:
I'm not talking about an HR reference. I'm referring to when your ex-boss is called and refuses to go into any detail about you at all. Because one is not allowed to bash an ex-employee, it is pretty obvious...
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He was a good worker, but sometimes came in late. He always love extended lunch breaks and toilet breaks, bathroom breaks and smoke breaks. their was an harassment charge somewhere but im not sure what happen, he left soon after that... very charasmatic individual...
 
DJK said:
I'm not talking about an HR reference. I'm referring to when your ex-boss is called and refuses to go into any detail about you at all. Because one is not allowed to bash an ex-employee, it is pretty obvious...
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That might then depend on the size of the new company then I guess. Sure if I'm running a one man show then that would make a difference as you mentioned. However in the big corporate world HR does all the reference checks and supply me with all the applications once they have completed their screening. I then make the shortlisting based on what I have infront of me. And I would not know what the Ex-Boss told HR or didn;t tell them, only the important things are on that screening as mentioned above.

But I agree with you in a small company it might be a problem.
 
CathJ said:
It does depend on the company (and country). I worked for a large investment company in the UK, and all they would ever say is that yes, you worked for them; in X position, at X salary, between X date and Y date. Good or bad, they wouldn't say anything else.
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A lot of companies work on this basis, but most bosses will still provide a reference if called up, if it is good. The others will refer to their HR policy. Again, fairly obvious imo...
 
CathJ said:
It does depend on the company (and country). I worked for a large investment company in the UK, and all they would ever say is that yes, you worked for them; in X position, at X salary, between X date and Y date. Good or bad, they wouldn't say anything else.
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100% correct, I get the same screening report. But it also includes leave taken, leave allocated, sick leave taken for said period of years.

But apprat from that it's about 100% of what you are mentioning here.
 
JK8 said:
He was a good worker, but sometimes came in late. He always love extended lunch breaks and toilet breaks, bathroom breaks and smoke breaks. their was an harassment charge somewhere but im not sure what happen, he left soon after that... very charasmatic individual...
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Not sure what you're on about or how this ties in with my post...:confused:

Pitbull said:
That might then depend on the size of the new company then I guess. Sure if I'm running a one man show then that would make a difference as you mentioned. However in the big corporate world HR does all the reference checks and supply me with all the applications once they have completed their screening. I then make the shortlisting based on what I have infront of me. And I would not know what the Ex-Boss told HR or didn;t tell them, only the important things are on that screening as mentioned above.

But I agree with you in a small company it might be a problem.
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Er, the manager hiring you will (should) still do his due diligence on you and call for a reference, regardless of the size of the company. The "screening" process is not where references start and end...
 
DJK said:
It's pretty much a give-away if an ex-boss states that he/she cannot say any more apart from confirming that the person in question was employed for a specific duration, at a specific salary in a specific capacity...;)
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I was called for a reference on an ex contract staff member. I just said that 'I can confirm that the person was employed from <date> to <date>' I was asked for more info and I replied 'I would not have made him permanent'
end of conversation.
 
skoob said:
I was called for a reference on an ex contract staff member. I just said that 'I can confirm that the person was employed from <date> to <date>' I was asked for more info and I replied 'I would not have made him permanent'
end of conversation.
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That's not really right, either - maybe you wouldn't have made him permanent because you hated his haircut :D I understand the problems involved, but to me if you're going to say anything you have to justify it, and let the potential employee have their say as well.
 
DJK said:
Not sure what you're on about or how this ties in with my post...:confused:



Er, the manager hiring you will (should) still do his due diligence on you and call for a reference, regardless of the size of the company. The "screening" process is not where references start and end...
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huh ?

Did you ever do an interview in your life ?

What do you think a reference is ? a Story about your love life with the Ex-boss's daughter :confused: a Reference is in relation to your work history and work ethic. Personal chatter and gripes is not what companies are after ;)
 
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